Tim's Official Gaming PC Build (Compatible Parts?)

[tandrews360]

Hey guys, i have officially picked out all the parts for my gaming PC. This is will be the first PC i build with a little help from my friend. I just want to make sure all the parts are compatible and no issues are present. I have been very nervous and very careful about picking the parts constantly checking on pcpartpicker and with friends that have built there own PCs. 

 

Parts:

8gb DDR3 Ram (Already have)

Core i5 4590

LGA 1150 mini ITX motherboard

Aprevia X-MIRAGE-GN Mid Tower (https://www.amazon.com/Apevia-X-MIRAGE-GN-Full-Size-Acrylic-Window/dp/B06VSCS776/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1544641206&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=Aprevia+X-MIRAGE-GN+Mid+Tower)

Gtx 1050 (https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Geforce-GDDR5-Graphic-GV-N1050OC-2GD/dp/B01MG0733A/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1544641301&sr=1-2&keywords=Gtx+1050)

EVGA 500 W1, 80+ WHITE 500W Power supply ( https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-WHITE-Warranty-Supply-100-W1-0500-KR/dp/B00H33SFJU/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1544641531&sr=1-1&keywords=evga+500w+power+supply&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011)

 

Hope this is good i want to order these parts and build it soon.

 

 

[Fasauceome]

If you want to check compatibility, use pcpartpicker.com

[BelgianNoise]

you can go to pcpartpicker.com and add the parts in a build. the site will tell you wether everything is compatible or not.

[Jurrunio]

compatible but horrible

 

1. mITX board in an ATX case? mITX boards cost more than mATX and ATX ones, so this isn't even saving money, nor saving space

 

2. Disgusting power supply. It's the kind of unit I'd buy to test whether my hardware works, not for actually using it as part of my daily system.

tier C or above only

 

3. gtx 1050 is the weakest part of the system, just as a reminder

 

4. There is no storage drive of any sort.

[BelgianNoise]

1 minute ago, fasauceome said:

If you want to check compatibility, use pcpartpicker.com

you are always a little faster. im just going offline

[Fasauceome]

Just now, BelgianNoise said:

you are always a little faster. im just going offline

Its because I'm always browsing when I shouldn't be

[Devin92]

i hope you are buying the motherboard and cpu used/ with huge discount? buying haswell cpu and motherboard new/ full price in 2018 is pretty bad idea.

[mariushm]

What components do you actually have?

How much are those parts?

 

The GTX1050 with just 2 GB of onboard memory would be a bad purchase, because most modern games use more than 3 GB of memory when playing at 1080p. So basically, you'd be forced to play at low  or medium quality in most games.

That particular power supply (evga 500w w1) is also a bad deal - it's a low quality power supply, with poor efficiency, it's not even 80% bronze rated. You could do better if you search around a bit. 

You'll really limit your computer performance by building computer around those 8 GB of memory, I'd say just put them on sale on eBay and you'll get 10-15$ for them and just suck it up and buy 4 or 8 GB of DDR4 ... when you save more money you can always buy a second stick for more memory.

 

For reference, that i5 4590 has about as much performance as a 55$ AMD Athlon 200ge. You could buy one until you could afford a higher end Ryzen processor and sell the 200ge for half the retail price on eBay or something like that. 

You'll have choices, you can upgrade from this budget 200ge all the way to 8 cores 16 threads in the future.

 

[NunoLava1998]

This should be much better:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-L9a-AM4 33.84 CFM CPU Cooler  ($39.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($109.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($58.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($52.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($44.85 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 8 GB ARMOR MK2 OC Video Card  ($219.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 88R MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $886.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-12 14:41 EST-0500

(I have to buy new RAM as DDR4 boards are not compatible with DDR3)

[NunoLava1998]

Additionally, if you prefer having a case that's 70cm tall and 499$ (>>>up to 18 fans)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-L9a-AM4 33.84 CFM CPU Cooler  ($39.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($109.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($58.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($52.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($44.85 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 8 GB ARMOR MK2 OC Video Card  ($219.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Corsair - Obsidian Series 1000D ATX Full Tower Case  ($499.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($129.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $1316.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-12 14:45 EST-0500

[mariushm]

oh well, here's super cheap computer, with about the same performance as his original cpu choice, but which can be upgraded significantly

 

53$ GIGABYTE AB350M-DS3H AM4 AMD B350 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

B350 chipset, allows overclocking, has 4 memory slots so you can buy 4 GB of memory now if you want cheapest possible, and buy 4 GB later, and still have 2  slots to add more later

60$ AMD Athlon 200GE (2core, 4 threads, 3.2 Ghz base clock, 35w TDP, cooler included, integrated graphics)

If you really can't afford stuff, then this is a good starting point, motherboard is good enough to handle even 8core/16 threads later. You can easily sell this later for 30-40$ on eBay.

53$ G.SKILL Aegis 8GB 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000) Memory (Desktop Memory)

4 GB sticks are around 40$ so makes no sense to lose 4 GB in order to save 13$

48$ WD Blue 1 TB 7200rpm WD10EZEX

Yeah, not a SSD but it's something big enough to store games on and play from them. You can always buy a 120 GB SSD for $20 or something bigger later and reinstall your OS on the SSD

35$ Cooler Master MasterBox E300L MATX Tower with Brushed Front Panel, Blue Accent Trim and Side Ventilation Case

Simple design, elegant, usb 3 on front panel, cheap

45$  (25$ after 20$ mail-in rebated card) CORSAIR CX-M Series CX450 450W 80 PLUS BRONZE Haswell Ready ATX12V & EPS12V Semi-modular Power Supply

80+ bronze psu, semi modular, cheap if mail rebate goes through

 

= 294$ for a functional cheap pc, but admittedly suffering in the graphics department. See below.

 

+ 40$ to upgrade to a Ryzen 2200g - 4 cores would be better for gaming, or stay with the Athlon until you have enough money for a Ryzen 1600/260 or better. Anything in between has poor performance for money.

 

+ 20$..45$ to add a 120GB SSD or higher

 

+110$ for  ASRock Phantom Gaming Radeon RX 560 DirectX 12 RX560 4G 4GB 128-Bit GDDR5

+145$ for  PowerColor RED DRAGON Radeon RX 570 DirectX 12 AXRX 570 4GBD5-3DHD/OC 4GB 256-Bit GDDR5

 

+130$ ($110 after 20$ mail in rebate) GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1050 D5 3G GDDR5 Video Card, GV-N1050D5-3GD

+190$ for GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1060 DirectX 12 GV-N1060WF2OC-3GD 3GB 192-Bit GDDR5

(though not worth it, the RX  570 would be faster in some games, and more future proof with 4 GB of ram, but I wanted to add nVidia alternatives)

+54$ for a 2nd 8 GB DDR4 (more performance running your memory in dual channel mode)

 

 

 

[NunoLava1998]

2 minutes ago, mariushm said:

oh well, here's super cheap computer, with about the same performance as his original cpu choice, but which can be upgraded significantly

 

53$ GIGABYTE AB350M-DS3H AM4 AMD B350 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

B350 chipset, allows overclocking, has 4 memory slots so you can buy 4 GB of memory now if you want cheapest possible, and buy 4 GB later, and still have 2  slots to add more later

60$ AMD Athlon 200GE (2core, 4 threads, 3.2 Ghz base clock, 35w TDP, cooler included, integrated graphics)

If you really can't afford stuff, then this is a good starting point, motherboard is good enough to handle even 8core/16 threads later. You can easily sell this later for 30-40$ on eBay.

53$ G.SKILL Aegis 8GB 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000) Memory (Desktop Memory)

4 GB sticks are around 40$ so makes no sense to lose 4 GB in order to save 13$

48$ WD Blue 1 TB 7200rpm WD10EZEX

Yeah, not a SSD but it's something big enough to store games on and play from them. You can always buy a 120 GB SSD for $20 or something bigger later and reinstall your OS on the SSD

35$ Cooler Master MasterBox E300L MATX Tower with Brushed Front Panel, Blue Accent Trim and Side Ventilation Case

Simple design, elegant, usb 3 on front panel, cheap

45$  (25$ after 20$ mail-in rebated card) CORSAIR CX-M Series CX450 450W 80 PLUS BRONZE Haswell Ready ATX12V & EPS12V Semi-modular Power Supply

80+ bronze psu, semi modular, cheap if mail rebate goes through

 

= 294$ for a functional cheap pc, but admittedly suffering in the graphics department. See below.

 

+ 40$ to upgrade to a Ryzen 2200g - 4 cores would be better for gaming, or stay with the Athlon until you have enough money for a Ryzen 1600/260 or better. Anything in between has poor performance for money.

 

+ 20$..45$ to add a 120GB SSD or higher

 

+110$ for  ASRock Phantom Gaming Radeon RX 560 DirectX 12 RX560 4G 4GB 128-Bit GDDR5

+145$ for  PowerColor RED DRAGON Radeon RX 570 DirectX 12 AXRX 570 4GBD5-3DHD/OC 4GB 256-Bit GDDR5

 

+130$ ($110 after 20$ mail in rebate) GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1050 D5 3G GDDR5 Video Card, GV-N1050D5-3GD

+190$ for GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1060 DirectX 12 GV-N1060WF2OC-3GD 3GB 192-Bit GDDR5

(though not worth it, the RX  570 would be faster in some games, and more future proof with 4 GB of ram, but I wanted to add nVidia alternatives)

+54$ for a 2nd 8 GB DDR4 (more performance running your memory in dual channel mode)

 

 

 

Get a b450m pro4 or b450m ds3h. A B350 board has the chance of not working with 2nd gen Ryzen and Athlon (all Zen+) CPUs

[mariushm]

Just now, NunoLava1998 said:

Get a b450m pro4 or b450m ds3h. A B350 board has the chance of not working with 2nd gen Ryzen and Athlon (all Zen+) CPUs

Everyone released BIOS updates around March 2018 in order to add support for Ryzen 2xxx series. 

 

If he buys a motherboard from a retailer like Amazon or Newegg, it's pretty much guaranteed the motherboard left the factory at most 1-2 months ago, with one of the latest BIOSes.

Such items don't sit on shelves for 9 months.

[tandrews360]

I realize i didn't include that i do have a hard drive. I actually am saving money with the ITX motherboard because my friend is selling it to me along with the i5 4590 for 90 bucks. Which is saving money.

[tandrews360]

I love how i have to make a whole new thread because people desert this one.

I have a 1tb hard drive and i am getting the mini ITX motherboard with a i5 4590 for 90 bucks from a friend of mine. Now that i have corrected myself hopefully someone can reply. I can pick a different 1050 that has 3gb and a different bettwr piwer supply, better?

[mariushm]

As I showed you above, you're not really saving money, or ... you do save a bit of cash, but you're shooting yourself in the foot.

 

The motherboard I chose in the configuration above is 53$ and the processor I chose is around 55..60$ , so in total it's around 110$ which is a bit more expensive but you do get a lot of room to upgrade in the future.  The cheapest and lowest end processor with Zen cores in AMD's lineup (the 200ge) offers the same raw performance as that 4590 from Intel.

 

The socket 1150 is dead platform, there's not much room to go upwards, it's not worth investing money in it anymore.

 

Your friend isn't even giving you a good deal. You can buy an i5 4590 from eBay for around 60$ and that motherboard isn't really worth much. A good deal would have been at 75$ or less, somewhere around that price. 

 

 

[tandrews360]

What does picking something with equivalent performance do? Really nothing. I don't see whats wrong with the build other than getting a better gpu and psu. I appreciate the concern of 15 dollars but it's fine.

[mariushm]

If you want a faster computer half a year or a year from now, there's no need to go through the whole process of finding a new motherboard, a new cpu, new ram, new everything. Just pull out the processor, put it on sale on ebay, and put your new processor in.

 

The 1150 platform from intel was dead years ago, they're not making more powerful processors for that one. The motherboard choices are also weak in terms of features (few sata, few usb, few pci-e lanes, it's basically a "budget" platform).

With your 4590 you're stuck there, the fastest cpu on socket 1150 would have performance below Ryzen 5 1600, it's somewhere around 1500x (4 core , 8 threads). I'm talking about 4790k which may not even be supported by your motherboard because of 88w TDP (some ITX boards only support up to 65w TDP processors) and even now it's 230$ on ebay (because it's rarer, and people buy them to upgrade their existing old systems as its cheaper than buying mb+ram). This doesn't apply to you because you don't own the board already.

 

In contrast, AM4 is new platform, AMD promises it will release processors for it at least until 2020, maybe even later, and you can just pull out the processor and put another in and bam, instant performance increase.

It's a new platform, just around 1 year old, supports pci-e 3.0 , supports DDR4, supports usb 3.1 gen1 and gen2, has m.2 connector on board for fast SSDs...  you'll be able to plug video cards from 2020 in this system and they'll still still work.

 

Basically, you'll save loads of money in the future when you're gonna want to upgrade to a faster system.

 

You get all these "pluses" just by spending around 20-30$ more, plus what you'd spend for the DDR4 memory.

 

[tandrews360]

So basically you are saying get the motherboard but a different processor? What?

[tandrews360]

What i currently have right now is a prebuilt by the name of dell inspiron 3656. It's terrible and overpriced. It has an A10 8700 and integreted graphics. It's soldered to the motherboard to. 

[mariushm]

What I am saying is that you should forget about that mb+cpu combo and go for a modern platform, either socket AM4 from AMD or socket 1155 from Intel. AM4 is overall cheaper (the included cooler which actually is good enough is just one of the reasons) and with more upgrade options for the future.

 

If you go with that combo from your friend for $90, you'd be stuck with socket 1150 and processors for that socket. As I explained, the 4590 you'd get with the motherboard is barely as fast as the cheapest processor available for the AM4 socket (the Athlon 200ge based on 2 Zen+ cores) and as upgrade options, you're very limited: even the highest performance processor you'd be able to buy for that motheboard would only be let's say 10-20% more powerful, but at a prohibitive price right now. 

 

No, I wasn't saying that you should only buy that motherboard from your friend.  I was saying that, if you already had a socket 1150 motherboard and memory bought but an older socket 1150 processor, THEN and ONLY THEN it may make made sense for you to upgrade the existing old processor to the one I mentioned, 4790k, simply because doing that would be cheaper than buying the whole set of motherboard, memory and processor.

As you only have a stick of DDR3 memory, this is not worth it for you.

 

You're stuck on using that DDR3 memory stick just because you have it. You shouldn't do that. Accept the loss of a few dollars, sell it on eBay or Craigslist or whatever and go for something that would give you more options for the future.

 

If you want to build something as cheap as possible, if your budget is really limited, Ryzen 2200g will give you about the same or more performance than what you would get with that i5 4590 but it gives you the opportunity to upgrade the processor in the future to way more performance.

Athlon 200ge would be a bit slower, but it's a killer deal at 55$ ... the basic idea was that you really want to spend as little as possible and I chose that one because it leaves you more money for the video card. 

 

How to explain it better... let's say you have 200$ for the processor and video card and you want to get the best fps in games. You could buy a 100$ Ryzen 2200g and a 100$ GTX 1050 2GB or 3GB and you'll get decent fps. However, you could buy that 200GE for only 55$ and now you have 145$, which means you'd be able to get a RX 570 with 4 GB of memory, which will give you much higher fps and would be more future proof than a GTX 1050. A few months later or whenever you're gonna find some money, you could upgrade the cpu and you'd get even MORE performance from the RX 570 because with your 4590 or with the 200GE, the video card would actually be a bit limited by the processor.

 

The thing with video cards is that below some threshold, they're all really low value for money. So you can basically scratch off any video card that has only 2 GB of memory, any card that's less than GTX 1050 or RX560... and that means the cheapest cards you'd buy new would be around 110$ and higher.  Right now, the best deal from a fps per dollar or performance per dollar are the RX 570 cards at around 140-150$ ... if you're lucky you could find one that has a 15-20$ mail in rebate at some point (weekend deals, Xmas in the following days)

 

 

[tandrews360]

My budget is 550 max 600 and i prefer intel over amd but either works.