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This forum isn't so much a community of people who are together to have a laugh, chew the fat, feel like a part of something...but more a place where you can ask and answer questions, and read some tech news.

Everything else is apparently a Status Update, which I doubt many people actually read, I am sure I will be contradicted there before the Mods shut this post too, but I haven't read any updates in the months I have been here and I doubt I ever would...why would you read what one person has to say, on a forum that is designed to engage the whole community?  That has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Why is this place becoming Stack Overflow rather than a place where people in a community can come together to talk about stuff and have a laugh? - as long as there is some connection to technology, the fundamental base of the community.  If it isn't offensive, if it isn't divisive, then why isn't it allowed as long as it doesn't break the rules?

That is the point of a forum, to foster a community.  It isn't meant to be a question and answer place and a news site, there are places for that.

If it isn't a community, then I for one, don't really see any point to it.  It seems like a lot of effort spent on not creating something.

25 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

I think a single faster system would be a much better bet here. Just run vms for different tasks .2 systems really ups the power usage aswell.

 

What does the current usage look like? What does something like atop look like on the current system?

 

quicksync and the cpu can probably do 2 transcodes, but depends on the media, always can add a gpu later.

That is what I was saying, Quick Sync on that old a CPU can't do, for instance, 4k....at all, it isn't that it does it badly, it just can't do it. so yes depends on the media, just something to bear in mind that if you swap to a 4th Gen thinking the iGPU can pick up some of the slack, it may be the case that it just can't.

Adding GPU's can also be problematic, FreeNAS has taken a beating, so let me beat that dead horse a little more...plex doesn't support GPU transcoding on FreeNAS.  In fact, Plex supports very few GPU transcoding options, perhaps....again, Emby is better than Plex in this regard, but something worth thinking about and considering that depending on the choices you make, a GPU may not be an option.

Just now, AndreiArgeanu said:

You made a whole post regarding the fact that on some Amazon listing where the 2.5G is labelled as 1G and the 1G is labelled as 2.5G, if that's not being picky about useless details I don't know what is.

No, I made a post about it existing in 2 different adverts on two different websites and asked whether others had seen the same where they are - those are both in the UK.

And whatever, you be a downer about it, feel free, it is a free forum, comment what you like.

Just now, AndreiArgeanu said:

It's just a little mistake, it doesn't matter anyway since regardless of the placement you're getting the listed features. I don't get why people pick on such small things that really don't matter at all.

Pick on?

lol seriously dude you need to lighten up.

I just wondered whether everyone else is seeing the same thing I am in advertisements with this board?

What I am talking about is this:

Notice anything odd about that picture?

This is taken from Amazon UK, selling the board.  However, the same image appears on a full page blurb on Scan UK (a PC parts website).

Is it the same where you are? Has no one realised the difference between a 1 and 2.5 yet?

6 hours ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Id just get a gt 710 unless you need a gpu for something. I don't think you will need more compe power for transcoding, pu should be fine for these uses.

 

If you want to save money, just make the 4770k the server, and get yourself a new desktop

The 4770k isn't going to handle 4 transcodes at once very well, if at all, and there are issues with transcoding certain qualities on that old of a CPU as the Intel sync tech on that age CPU is probably good for 1080p to 720p transcodes at best.

I say that, maybe emby is better at handling this than Plex, but my i7 4790k was using about 40% for a transcode so was limited to 2 at best.

1 minute ago, Mateyyy said:

I mean, you still get enough 4.0 lanes for a graphics card and an NVMe drive, it's not like you're totally missing out on PCIe 4.0.

Ahh there you, I think in my head it was B450....dunno why.

6 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

Unless you need the extra PCIe 4.0 lanes, go with B550.

The B550 Tomahawk is solid. I'd also look for a B550 Aorus Pro or Strix B550-F at around the same price, unless you need the internal Type-C connector.

I think the Tomahawk is the same price as the Asus Tuf gaming x570 and comes with 2.5gb LAN.

I am worried about Gen 4 though, who knows what is around the corner, and unless you are in a position to buy again, if something comes to light that is just a must have, then I think I would err towards an x570.

At the moment, almost utterly irrelevant, but in 3 months, 6 months, 12 months? I dunno.

Oh and just to add, this isn't some gimmick made up by a MB company to sell their product, this is PCIe lanes, they aren't going anywhere for awhile, so the opportunity for some company to provide some Gen 4 functionality that blows us all away, is definitely in existence.

1 hour ago, ScubaFishMan said:

This may be a dumb question but as of right now is there software available that will allow you to use 2 different cursors for one computer. Specifically while I am playing a game on my first monitor I want to be able to use a separate mouse for my second monitor. Is there a software or program that will allow me to do that? Thanks for the help! 

Do you want the mouse on the second screen to behave differently or just repeat the movements from the game?

2 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Hi ... As the topic hints, there's several things I'm wanting to ask about, but, I have a dilemma.

Bullet points are your friend, love them, cherish them, use them.

7 hours ago, Coltonw023456 said:

like what are the steps to enable freesync ? with gtx card is enabling it in the screen settings the only thing 

 

You don't get the option to enable G-Sync without G-sync being there.

Your problem has nothing to do with your monitor. Your monitor has told the drivers correctly that it is Gsync, your GPU drivers have recognised it as a Gsync monitor.

If you have the enable G-sync button, then tick that button, it should be on.

2 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

Threads merged

 

Double posting and reposting isn't allowed.

Grrrr, I lost the post I jsut wrote

To OP:

You can try testing it here:

https://www.testufo.com/gsync

If you can't see it working, then reinstall your drivers.

You should have Gsync, there is no reason it shouldn't work that I can see.

3 minutes ago, Coltonw023456 said:

i have tested games and the demos of bechmarks and g sync is not working still get stutter and tearing but yet i do get stutter even with v sync or with out it but i know its a sync issue with games not the pc its self cause i got many computers and other parts before in my years and still the same issue i just never got a free sync or g sync screen untill now but as you see in the control panel of nvidia i have it enabled thats what i ment by enabled if i disable freesync this set up g sync box goes away so i have freesync on in my screen settings like the monitor it self but even if g sync disabled i tryed enableing freesync in the monitor settings and still stutter and screen tearing worse then if im using v sync so i know its not working but if i use v sync and the fps drops lower then the refresh rate i will get alot of stutter every time the frame drops so 

You don't get the option to enable G-Sync without G-sync being there.

Your problem has nothing to do with your monitor. Your monitor has told the drivers correctly that it is Gsync, your GPU drivers have recognised it as a Gsync monitor.

If something else is going on, it isn't your monitor.

I didn't read your post, it was too much trouble, but the image alone was enough to tell me the above.

"but i can still enable it but it wont work"

How have you tested this?

I doubt very much that GeForce told you to buy an AMD GPU when the GPU you have is FreeSync compatible on that monitor, as is the rest of their range after the 900 series.

Can you copy and paste the email they sent you? Or are you talking about someone in a shop told you this?

3 minutes ago, Coltonw023456 said:

well my monitor is g sync compatible ready and when i told them and showed them the link that i gave u is where i got it from just the other day i got it 

I can see why you may have had some difficulty getting responses before.

What did GeForce say when you contacted them?

This is a Gigabyte product, it is highly unlikely that they are falsely advertising their product.  It is more likely a configuration issue that you need to address.

Are you using a Display Port cable to the monitor?

Where did you buy it and when?

When you spoke to GeForce what exactly did they say, because there is a difference between a G-Sync monitor and a G-Sync compatible monitor.

Your GPU is FreeSync compatible in any event according to these people:

https://blurbusters.com/gsync/supported-graphics-cards/

So no need to buy anything.

1 minute ago, Aprime said:

Partner directed me to this thread and I just wonder why nobody here's asked lol

I think it is because most of us are man-babies and when we leave a job it is under a heavy cloud with lots of swearing and missing pens...

It is hard to be sure about anything in life...except this, this I am sure will not work.

4 hours ago, Moonzy said:

right now i have 3TB+ of data im backing up

and i dont have redundancy, so i made 4 copies of it in various places/drives

if i have redundancy of raid 6, i would only need 2 copies, 1 in the NAS and 1 somewhere far away in case fire or something burns my house down

also, 2TB drives are the best bang for the buck for now where im at... for god knows why reasons

i could get 3x 2TB for 1x 4TB drive

 

but yes that's a good point, i might build a NAS if it's not too complicated, i might not

or maybe just run a raid 6 storage on one of my rigs

 

is it a good idea to raid external drives?

No, what I meant was you could buy 2 for £200, which is the same as it would cost you to buy all those hard drives, and then copy the data to each of them.

That is what raid is, it gives you redundancy, so that if 1 drive fails, you still have all the data.  Here you would have two copies of the data, so if 1 drive fails, you would still have all the data....so it was a way of saying, create your own raid.

These drives have sync abilities, so you just need to plug them in and they will sync to folders that you choose, so you don't have to manually back up your files every time, just plug one drive in, let it back itself up, then plug in the other one. Job done.

You could buy two of these in the UK for roughly £200.

That would give you a total of 10tb of storage, or simply a back-up of your back-up with zero running costs...

It is a 5tb USB external HDD on USB 3.0 make your own Raid

https://www.ebuyer.com/882371-seagate-backup-plus-5tb-black-portable-hard-drive-sthp5000400

1 minute ago, Jarsky said:

 

OK yeah FreeNAS is an issue when it comes to Plex and hardware transcoding. Importing ZFS arrays from FreeNAS to ZoL (ZFS on Linux) isn't always the smoothest thing either...there can be technical challenges with that, although compatibility is far better since ZoL 0.8.3. Debian/Ubuntu is generally the best for keeping up to date on ZFS. 

 

The biggest thing you'd lose would be the nice GUI that FreeNAS has, though Cockpit has made huge progress in the last year, especially with the ZFS Manager so you can have a really functional GUI for the server as well...I updated my test server recently and quite impressed with how far Cockpit has come now.  Something to keep an eye on is UnRAID too, as theyve said they will be working on doing ZFS array support as well. Not sure what release that would be in the pipeline for though, their upcoming 6.9.0 release is focused on multi pool support (which im running on my UnRAID box), so perhaps 7.0...so probably at least a year away from seeing that. 

TrueNAS is just about to go live, so I thought I would let that release, give it a month or two to iron out any bugs, and then move over to that to see if there is any improvement - as I feel it will be a smoother experience.

If that doesn't work, then I will look to see whether I can move the entire server to a new platform. I was also thinking about doing some research into ProxMox as I have heard good things about it, but my knowledge is a bit limited at the moment so would have to invest a bit of time to see whether it is suitable.

Cheers for the info on Cockpit, I will do some research on that too.

If you access it once or twice a month, why are you bothering with a NAS at all?  Why not just have a back-up system that you can access.

A NAS is Network Attached Storage, the whole point of it is that it is always there for you to access on the Network, but for your use case, that doesn't really seem necessary.

You can buy an 8tb USB external drive for £200 in the UK, works out to be about $250 dollars or so, plug it in once a month when you need it.

Why spend all that money on building a NAS and running a NAS, when all you want is extra storage to dump some files you rarely use.

Bear in mind in the UK, a 2tb HDD is £50 best price, so 4 of them is £200 anyway.

23 minutes ago, Jarsky said:

Perhaps try changing your transcoding settings to "Make my CPU hurt"...may make a difference?

 

I understand this thread is about optimising (pre-transcoding) your content, but assuming your server is Linux which has the VA-API, have you considered just getting a GPU and letting people transcode in real time?  You can get used GTX1060's for around US$120, and you can do a basic driver patch to remove the nvenc stream limit. 

I am not sure the transcoding settings impact on the optimisation settings, but I will have a look later tonight - Plex is a real pain where if you cancel an optimisation part-way through, it has no memory that it has done any of it...so will just do everything again if you transcode the collection again.  So you have to manually do the items in a collection if you don't let it finish the entire collection - given the size, I want to avoid that.

Currently have it running on Windows because my server has no passthrough (FreeNAS).  Considering options for changing that, Linux is definitely amongst those options.

Having it on Windows means having access to the 2080ti, which has made things a lot easier in the short-term and I now have less complaining, but I would rather not have it running on this machine long-term, so pre-transcoding everything allows it to go back to the FreeNAS server in due course.

Just that due course will be about 4 months at this rate.

2 minutes ago, HardStroke said:

R9 chips are insanly better in a wrokstation then intels i9 chips

Its not even comparable....

R9 chips are just too op against the 9900k and 10900k as a workstation

Its like comparing a 25 year old bodybuilder to Dwayne Johnson...............

Them gainssssss are waaaaayyayyyyayyay more 'gains' on the 3900x and 3950x

9th gen and 10th gen i9s are not that different from each other......

Revit apparently has a cap of 16 threads.  So 3900x and 3950x would be worse than the i9 10900k.

Since they both can reach 16 threads, but the 10900k can hit 5.0ghz where you be lucky to hit 4.3ghz stable on a 3900x.

Honestly, I am not sure whether the OP is seeking advice or just seeing whether AMD will be recommended no matter what you post.

15 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

Yeah but loading is gonna take like a minute or whatever, what matters is the processing power in general

That would depend and goes hand in hand with this comment:

3 minutes ago, Foef_Yet_Flalf said:

It doesn't seem like its worth the money for you to upgrade at the moment. Wait several generations in the future for your money to become more valuable.

That depends on the value of the time.

Sure you may pay $2k for a faster CPU that is only marginally faster, but if the time you gain saves you $10k or $20k in fees then that is a wise investment.

It is why LMG always have ridiculously powerful editing machines, and as Linus explained in a video recently when talking about why he pays SO much for Adobe (I think $10k a year?) the time lost, across all the employees and what that would be in financial terms, actually outweighs the cost pretty quickly.