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OP stated €1000 for his budget, if you're unwilling to help, then please don't reply.
 
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that got pushed back, both because of yield issues (not enough full 8-core working dies) and lack of competition (Cascade-Lake-X still cost more for the same core count)
 
All GPUs that support DX12 are supposed to run raytracing, at least with software method and are terribly slow.

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Not completely true I thought they tweeted they will have raytracing. However they didn't tell if it would be software or hardware accelerated.
But that's about all that's known about it.

Thing is, it's not their first GPU, they have been selling iGPU's for decades (low-power and low performance) and they have been somewhat ok. I mean their first and only dGPU was 2 decades ago, Intel has been in the GPU market for a LONG time, but just basic simple stuff so who knows what they can pull off.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/i740.c1288
Also, saying it's going to be a flop is a reasonable guess, but how much of a flop? Like barely reaching RX 580 speeds or similar like AMD right now? (5700XT level) Or maybe 2080 level, nobody knows what their aim is. Also price and thermals will all matter to know which position it will get in the market. And they did snipe some awesome people from AMD and Nvidia so who knows what the effect of that will be.

in easier terms its around 25% faster than current navi cards.
(flops is a good measure for performance within the same architecture but doesn't always correlate 100% with gaming performance, as it represents max math processing power and ignores all possible inefficiencies )

I would say it's not so bad anymore. When I first started building computers by the time you where done it was pretty much obsolete the moment something new came out because it would either be 100% faster or 50% cheaper.
 
My advice would be: If there's something new in the (very) near future, wait until you get reviews then decide if it's worth it. If it's in the far future (Zen 3, Navi+1, RTX 3xxx, ...) just ignore it, unless you can wait that long. Then look it up once it's out before making a decision. Don't base you decision on rumors of what could be.
 
Especially on the GPU side stuff is in flux, because AMD will also bring out ray tracing but no one knows if it's console specific, usable on Windows (DXR?) and how quickly games in general will pick it up.

flops = floating operations per second. A measure of performance for non-integer numbers.
tera flops is basically "trillion floating operations per second"

on the cpu side dont expect anything that would make buying today a bad choice, on the gpu side, prices are WAY out of hand, and current raytracing tech wont age well at all (just not powerful enough), the next gen of cards in 2020 should be a lot better due to 7nm on nvidia's side and improved navi on amd's.
 
there are also those that say that because the consoles will use a (~13Tflop) navi gpu with raytracing, and that raytracing is using a quite different approach which is alot more flexible, nvidia's approach might stop getting support really soon.

Basically "traditional graphics". Since they're ahead of AMD, my guess would be that they'll try to get a performance lead in ray tracing before AMD even has a product that can do it in hardware. But then again, there was a lot of whining about this gen being a small performance upgrade, so they might focus on traditional performance over ray tracing.
Kind of. The thing is, it's pretty well known at this point that Cascade Lake X etc are coming, and it's a fair guess they're going to be faster. But by how much isn't really known until there are benchmarks from reviewers. They should be worth it, considering that Intel is pretty much halving the prices compared to the previous gen, but they're still on the expensive side. So it's not really clear if they're worth it over AMD or if they're worth waiting for.

Well if you want to base your purchase decisions for next year on stuff that will be launched next month go ahead.
Just so you know stuff will be different next year because there's constantly new stuff announced, launched and reviewed.
A lot can and will change in the tech world in just a few months, even in a few weeks stuff can change!
 
A good example is the 16-core threadripper vs the 18-core 7980XE.
Or the 32-core threadripper and the 28-core intel whatever it's called.
Just last week stuff changed in a matter of DAYS, not weeks, not months, not years, DAYS.
That's how fast stuff changes and why people are annoyed with your question, yes we can make a guess but we cannot predict and the thing with predictions is, they can be wrong and with all the stuff that happend recently it's more likely it IS wrong these days.

And if that guess is wrong, then your actions taken based on that guess are ill informed.
 
It's likely that Nvidia will focus on performance.  But will they focus more on rasterization performance or ray tracing performance? Who knows. If I tell you they will focus 100% on rasterization, how will that influence your decision? And what if it turns out they double down on ray tracing instead, is your decision still the correct one?
Because it's idle speculation that leads nowhere. My guess is Nvidia will primarily improve ray tracing performance. But I could be totally wrong about that.

Well Intel is according to rumors going to enter the GPU market next year so who knows wtf will happen.
It might be a complete disaster that runs hot AF and has crappy drivers, or it might be a great succes and competing with the 2080ti, we have NO idea.
We can make some educated guesses what Nvidia will do but the thing is, we don't know what AMD will do because Navi might be the first architecture that competes with nvidia in the high-end market since years but we have no clue if that will actually happen. If ryzen is anything to go by, they might? Add Intel to the mix and it's a complete mystery what the GPU market will do.
 
CPU wise, everything is still pointing in Intel being in full panic mode and unable to compete so this will probably slow down AMD progress wise because the competition isn't as big of a threat anymore as it used to be.
 
Also, AMD told us that they will support AM4 until 2020 at least, if they extend that number just get whatever you can get now CPU wise that makes sense for your budget and requirements and stick with that (at least AMD wise because whatever brings the future will just be a bios-update and a drop-in replacement for whatever motherboard and ram you have).

Cascade Lake X and Comet Lake are the next CPUs for Intel, basically Skylake-X Refresh at lower prices and slightly more PCIe lanes and Coffee Lake with more cores (itself Skylake with more cores)
 
Threadripper 3rd gen and 3950X is the next for AMD
 
no info on Intel's GPU, AMD's next is the RX 5500 series.
 
Dont even have leaks for those
 
nor for these