Halazar

Ordered the r6, we'll see!

Yep you can do this. The m.2 nvme drive will use the pcie lanes from the chipset so the gpu has all the lanes. Yep the 960 goes in the slot that doesn't affect any sata ports.

Just thought I'd drop this here. The dude wants £499 (thats $706 USD or $910 CAD) for an ANCIENT rig. Specs are i5 2400, 16gb ddr3 (overkill af for such an old system, will also slow boot times down due to superfetch being a little clumsy with large amounts of RAM), 3tb hdd (needs GPT and UEFI to even use full capacity), ATI Radeon HD 4800 graphics and here's an even funnier bit, WINDOWS 10 PRO, an OS that doesn't even support the HD 4xxx series. Will post screenshots below, enjoy the laugh fellow techies.
 

I cant think of anything else to mention, other than that I just worked in it's slightly smaller version and it was amazing in almost every single way.

I love corporate overlords slapping each other, makes things easier

I love corporate overlords slapping each other, makes things easier

I love corporate overlords slapping each other, makes things easier

I love corporate overlords slapping each other, makes things easier

I love corporate overlords slapping each other, makes things easier

Elon to Zuckerberg
 
 

 

I love corporate overlords slapping each other, makes things easier

A little bit of news today.
Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk has lived up to a tweet on about deleting the FB account of Tesla Motors and SpaceX dealing a pretty hefty blow to FB users interested in SpaceX & Tesla.
Source: Elon Musk & The Verge
I guess Elon wasn't too happy over the Facebook privacy disaster and responded to a tweet of #DeleteFacebook. So far this is the first large business to pull out of Facebook since the incident.
 
While this MAY be a troll by Elon, it couldn't have come at a better time and it's going to leave a sting on Facebook. He was questioned over if Instagram would be deleted but he said it was "borderline, FB influence slowly creeping in". Either way, Elon Musk is the top troll and the master of disruption. As of the time of posting this, the FB account for SpaceX and TESLA remains down. FB stocks still continue to fall with no current rebuttal from Facebook. A Tesla spokesperson has yet to respond to comment. 
FB SpaceX: https://www.facebook.com/SpaceX
FB Tesla: https://www.facebook.com/Tesla
 
I'll update this if they do return.

A cheap (relatively) NVMe SSD for booting can be paired with expanding storage as your needs go. Start off with a smaller (relatively) SATA SSD and migrate your data to larger and larger SATA drives as your needs grow. Its a simple process as your OS is on a drive you wont be changing. You can research any apps that actually perform better on a NVMe drive and install those there, keep all of the other apps on the SATA drives.

Yes and no
 
AS an owner of the Blue yeti, I like being able to adjust the gain on the unit, and I liked the loop back on the 3.5mm jack, and the mute button is convenient, but in reality, I use all of these features rarely, I've changed my main headphones to a DAC/AMP so I have to use earbuds for the loopback feature which I rarely do due to comfort issues, I never change the pickup pattern, The unit is heavy and near impossible to find a shock mount for (though I did find one last year) And after three years of owning it, I would probably change it out for something else. It sounds great dont get me wrong, but I just dont use all of it's features to justify it over something like the AT2020

It's a bit bigger, has one more pcie expansion slot, has 3 more fan mounting locations, has rgb leds, has better materials, can hold way more 2.5" drives (11 more), comes with better fans (pure wings 2 vs silent wings 3), comes with a fan hub, supports more and bigger rads, can fit a bigger cpu cooler, 800 actually can have a bigger psu, 900 supports longer gpu, and 900 can have the mobo tray removed to install outside the case. Sheesh did I seriously spend the last 10 minutes figuring this out?  

There doesnt seem to be a future for PC graphics at this rate, i hope the ban waves against crypto continues, crypto is way ahead of its time and its using tons of power and ruining gpu market for nothing, crypto has no value its all fake, the value of crypto is given by its overhype and people investing mindlessly, it serves no purpose in real society.

Is there such a thing as "enough information"?
 
The best one can do is read all the reviews one can find, both formal and informal. 
 

I'm trying to find information about people streaming with this capture card in a single system configuration. Maybe I should make a post here.

First off, I'm gonna warn you that this is going to be a long post.
It's just a very complicated issue, especially because of the nature of these items; I want the best for the money that I have to spend, I don't want to buy the wrong piece, I don't want to regret not taking enough time to analyze things, etc.

With that being said lets establish the guidelines of this build:
I'm assembling this pc because my current one is pretty old(approaching 6 years) and breaking down.  I'm using this chance to go all-out and try to build a very good 1)gaming, 2) streaming and 3) video-editing computer. The priorities are those since the games have to run at a very good quality for my enjoyment and in order to stream them at an high quality; the video-editing is just a secondary function, I wont edit/upload videos often, and they will often just be stream highlights. I have a very big budget (-3500€-3700€+), but me having a big budget doesn't mean I want to spend it all and I'll appreciate cutting a cost if not needed; I don't care for RGB stuff(I mean its nice but I'm not gonna spend MORE money over it) or “paying for brand”, and I prefer “quality”, or rather, “utility/functionality” over “aesthetics”, and I don't want to cut a cost that will impact the performance of my computer(and the temps, or the quietness; I need the computer to be cool during heated and humid summers, and quiet because the noise could disrupt the quality of the streaming) in the long run, since I don't plan to change any computer parts anytime soon; you could say that I'm “future proofing” but I don't want to change parts to this computer until they break or get incredibly old, so tl;dr;
  Videogames and streaming are the priority, video-editing is secondary; Don't care for aesthetics but only for functionality; performance, temps and quietness, and don't want to “pay for brand” but for quality; Want to use my budget to the fullest to avoid having problems in the future but also not willing pay for overpriced stuff that have no effect.
Alright, lets start talking about some parts, what I consider the “backbone” of all the various possibilities for my final build;
before talking about the different possibilities that I had in mind, I want to talk about the pieces that don't change between them, since they mostly affect CPUs and motherboards:
 
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  (€89.90 @ Amazon Italia) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  (€250.88 @ Amazon Italia) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive 
Storage: Toshiba - X300 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€151.82 @ Amazon Italia) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Extreme Video Card  (€891.30 @ Amazon Italia) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  (€107.99 @ Amazon Italia) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€156.67 @ Amazon Italia) 
Optical Drive: Lite-On - iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer  (€15.92 @ Amazon Italia) 
Total: €1664.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-30 03:49 CET+0100
 
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Lets start with the cooler:
of course the cooler will actually change with the CPUs and motherboards, but this was actually to spark a question about the type of coolers.
I think that, in general, it is better for me to get the best non-liquid cooler possible(that's why I just put the best Noctua I could find), because I really care about temps and want my CPU to be chill at all times, but I'm afraid of liquid coolers failing me.
So; am I right? Or are there COMPLETELY SAFE, 100% risk free liquid coolers? 
Because I don't care how “theoretically safe” and “with really low margin of failure” some liquid coolers now are, I ain't risking a 3500€ computer on a 200€ cooler, nu-uh.
So I think I should just go for the best non-liquid cooler and that's usually the most expensive Noctua, right?
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Then, the RAM.
32 gb is not negotiable. Then I picked the one between 2400-2800 with the lowest CAS(14) and the best price/value ratio on pcpartpicker.
Why 2400-2800? Because most CPUs don't support more than that without Ocing and I'm not gonna OC my ram.
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Next, the storage.
1 SSD and 1 HHD are mandatory.
This SSD is from what I've heard the best when it comes to price/value ratio, and I don't need 1 tb of it since I will just put the OS, some crucial software(OBS, Steam, etc.) and some games in it.
Games and softwares & files that don't require to load incredibly fast, or are just old and don't need that much power will just be put in the HDD.
Am I wrong? Should I get 1 TB of SSD even if its double the price? Or a different kind of SSD?
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Now, the graphic card.
1080 ti of course, not even a question.
I've picked the 11 GB with the highest core clock I could find and the price isn't even that high considering other cards, BUT if you know cards that are better in;
Temperatures under long period of times quieter or are just cheaper with the same performances Let me know; I REALLY want a graphic card that is powerful and remains cool primarily. Quietness is an important secondary role, but secondary nonetheless.
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The graphic cards leads me to the power supply;
I was undecided between this, and the 1050W variant of it, because I'm debating whether or not I will be running double 1080tis in the future when I will be in need of an upgrade, or just buying the best next-gen graphic card available.
What do you guys think? What is better to do?
I think I'll just buy the next-best graphic card, but I'm always all hears.
Also, do you know any better PSU? I feel I can't go wrong with that, beside the SLI question.
Or do you think SeaSonic doesn't make good PSU? Or there are just better PSUs for a similar price? Let me know.
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And for last but not least, the case.
Now, I've thought a lot about how to choose a case, and I still have doubts. I just picked this case as a min. standard. 
I want the case to be:
with VERY good airflow, as spacious as possible, has dust filters, and as silent as possible, in this order.
So I naturally went the full tower way.
Now, I chose this case because I've read that is both quiet and allows for a lot of fans to be mounted, and there's dust filters over all the fans.
But is it the best for the price? Or is it good at all? I don't mind spending even double the price of this case for a drastically better one. 
I REALLY don't want my case to be hot/retain hot air because of poor air flow due to poor space management or bad design or whatever, and I will GREATLY appreciate a case that quiets most of my noise(due to CPU cooler, graphic card, etc.).
It HAS to have dust filters because dust is not only bad for my health, but also impacts the performance of my computer.
Also I like the side-glass thingy but I'd rather have a fully silent case than a pretty one, but if I can have both for a price not too high, why not?
But the price can't be too high since I wont cut the budget from other pieces for the aesthetics of the case.
Also, am I good with stock fans or do I need to buy new ones? 
And how many/ for how many sides? Again I don't care for RGB stuff(and again, I mean its nice but I'm not gonna spend MORE money for RGB pieces), its just to have very good airflow.

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Now, lets discuss the different possibilites/combinations when it comes to CPUs.
My doubts are about two, consecutive questions.
Single box or dual(gaming+streaming) box? If single box, AMD or Intel? Now let me explain the first question.
If single box, I can buy a very powerful computer that can satisfy my needs at the moment, and then in the future, if I want and have money for it, I can use my current computer to cannibilize some parts and build a very cheap but effective streaming box, something that would look kinda like this:
 
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (€196.46 @ Amazon Italia) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper T2 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  (€29.88 @ Amazon Italia) 
Motherboard: ASRock - A320M-DGS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€53.99 @ Amazon Italia) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (€156.99 @ Amazon Italia) 
Storage: ADATA - Premier Pro SP600 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€78.73 @ Amazon Italia) 
Storage: Toshiba - 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€45.97 @ Amazon Italia) 
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card 
Case: Antec - GX700 ATX Mid Tower Case 
Power Supply: Antec - High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply 
Total: €562.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-30 03:49 CET+0100

The graphic card, PSU and case are the ones I'm currently using(and I think the cooler too but I'm not too sure rn).
If I go dual box route, I should use some of my budget to fund the parts for the streaming box that I just linked, thus having less to spend on the primary rig, making it more powerful. The primary rig would run Intel for sure tho, and maybe I could pick a less expensive CPU, like an i7-7700k.
 
Not only that, but from my understanding dual box comes with a lot of software n hardware issues that I don't know if I'm ready to face right now, right at the start of this streaming thing, and I kind of like the simplicity of having just one computer to worry about at the start; then, if I see that I really like streaming everyday and want to specialize even more and want to have everything maxed out, I'll buy the second, streaming-dedicated box, to compliment an already beast of a primary pc.
Tl;dr: For simplicity I'd prefer a single box, do you think its wrong?
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Then, assuming I'd go with single box, comes the AMD vs Intel question.
Since a single computer would be handling both gaming and streaming, the CPU needs to perform excellently.
So the question is; do I use a Threadripper 1900x that apparently is better for streaming but not gaming(or even higher Threadrippers is they manage to stay in budget but I think their single core performance might be too low and I dont need that many cores), or a an Intel CPU?
And if Intel, which one?
For reference, I have had my eyes on the i7-7820X 3.6GHz 8-Core, and then the Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core even if pcpartpicker doesn't have it as available in Italy at the moment ; the i9-7900X 3.3GHz 10-Core could be an option if I can find one in Italy and it somehow manages to stay inside the budget.
I'll show you the different builds and then I'll link some benchmarks results;
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i7 7820x;

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel - Core i7-7820X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  (€624.17 @ Amazon Italia) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  (€89.90 @ Amazon Italia) 
Motherboard: MSI - X299 RAIDER ATX LGA2066 Motherboard  (€238.99 @ Amazon Italia) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  (€250.88 @ Amazon Italia) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive 
Storage: Toshiba - X300 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€151.82 @ Amazon Italia) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Extreme Video Card  (€891.30 @ Amazon Italia) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  (€107.99 @ Amazon Italia) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€156.67 @ Amazon Italia) 
Optical Drive: Lite-On - iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer  (€15.92 @ Amazon Italia) 
Total: €2527.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-30 03:49 CET+0100

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i7 8700k;

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  (€89.90 @ Amazon Italia) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€112.98 @ Amazon Italia) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  (€250.88 @ Amazon Italia) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive 
Storage: Toshiba - X300 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€151.82 @ Amazon Italia) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Extreme Video Card  (€891.30 @ Amazon Italia) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  (€107.99 @ Amazon Italia) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€156.67 @ Amazon Italia) 
Optical Drive: Lite-On - iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer  (€15.92 @ Amazon Italia) 
Total: €1777.46
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-30 03:49 CET+0100
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TR 1900x;

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Threadripper 1900X 3.8GHz 8-Core Processor  (€548.92 @ Amazon Italia) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U14S TR4-SP3 140.2 CFM CPU Cooler  (€79.90 @ Amazon Italia) 
Motherboard: ASRock - X399 Taichi ATX TR4 Motherboard  (€345.20 @ Amazon Italia) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  (€250.88 @ Amazon Italia) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive 
Storage: Toshiba - X300 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€151.82 @ Amazon Italia) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Extreme Video Card  (€891.30 @ Amazon Italia) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  (€107.99 @ Amazon Italia) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€156.67 @ Amazon Italia) 
Optical Drive: Lite-On - iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer  (€15.92 @ Amazon Italia) 
Total: €2548.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-30 03:49 CET+0100
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Now, the benchmarks:
8700k vs 7820x: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-7820X/3937vs3928 7820x vs 1900x: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7820X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-TR-1900X/3928vsm340638 8700k vs 1900x: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-TR-1900X/3937vsm340638 So by these results, looks like the 7820x is straight up better than the 1900x, and at the same time almost the same performance as the 8700k but better for the multi-core; but these are just numbers, and I've heard everybody say that Threadripper is straight up better for streaming, so I don't really know???
I'm very undecided on this issue, and no information seems to sway me.
What do you guys think? Do you have any other CPUs in mind that might be provide better performance than these(beside i9s :^] )?

Also; what about the mobos?
Let's say that I go for the 7820x; would that mobo be good enough? 
I've chose pretty randomly; one of the cheapest with enough features, but for example I've seen some screens online and the m.2 slot looks kinda hard to fit with the future graphic card(s)... so do you guys know a better one?
And what feature should I look for beside m2 slots, sata 6, enough usb3.0 slots etc.?

 
Let me know if you have any suggestions, idea, correction, or any sort of input or interest for my build, and if you've read all this, thank you for your time!
P.s.: I know this formatting of mine isn't good; I'm not used to it! Also if I'm breaking any rules, let me know.

https://www.amazon.it/EVGA-GeForce-Gaming-GDDR5X-DisplayPort/dp/B071XP4MBS/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1510570930&sr=1-2&keywords=EVGA+GeForce+GTX+1080+Ti
it was third on my end

like i said, personaly I wouldve gone with the strix, bu i cant say much about it cause i havent actually used the card. from my understanding the g1 Gaming also gets 40 db for sound though and youll save a few bucks
 

because it was in stock at the nearest microcenter lmao. i wouldve boughten the strix but im very happy with the MSI G1 Gaming variant. its dead quiet.

You don't have to convince me.  I have x299/7820x and would not trade it for z370/8700k.

Its not even only web pages. Streaming itself needs 2 softwares open, beyond OBS, Chrome and the obvious videogame being played. Then count idk, foobar2k, discord, etc.etc.

I think I'll make a post for the CPU question so that it can get more coverage, and maybe one about GPUs(since I've seen a video of Jayz2cents where he breaks an AORUS 1080ti piece with little to no force). I'll get back to you guys in this thread

The results of the linked article do not agree with those in http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/intel_core_i7_8700k_processor_review,1.html. So I went looking to see why. Imagine my surprise when I could not find details of the i9-7900X test system in either review. Bad, bad, bad!
 
I do see a significant disagreement between the single thread Cinebench 15 scores i7-8700K/i9-7900X, Eurogamer 191 / 171, guru3d 194 / 193.
 
So I checked out some other sites.
 
It seems that the 20 point differential of the Eurogamer review is well out of the norm. Which leads me to question the rest of the data and conclusions drawn from it.