Does it bottleneck?

[Goussy]

Does a pentium G3258 bottleneck a R9 290 in this setup?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/cGd4Jx

[Smooth Bunz]

No youll be fine you could run a 970 with it and still get no bottle neck 

[i_build_nanosuits]

Does a pentium G3258 bottleneck a R9 290 in this setup?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/cGd4Jx

yes the pentium will bottleneck mid range and high end GPU,s by A LOT even if highly overclocked, here's a video i did with a GTX780,

the CPU was at 4.5ghz look at all that stuttering and low GPU loads:

 

 

I would suggest saving a bit more for at least a core i3, idealy a locked core i5 for such strong GPU's unless you play at higher resolution and aim for 30FPS...

 

also the pentium fail to even launch the most recent games like CoD:AW , far cry 4 and dragon age...i would have loved to test those games as well i think it would have been

even worst results but unfortunately i couldnt...

[GeoffreyPope]

Does a pentium G3258 bottleneck a R9 290 in this setup?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/cGd4Jx

Only really when running applications or games that make use of 4 cores. I would suggest that you do upgrade the processor down the line though. 

[Having said that there will be a performance hit when compared to an i5/i3 processor. Its not like it will perform the same ideally you would have more processing power]

[Goussy]

Only really when running applications or games that make use of 4 cores. I would suggest that you do upgrade the processor down the line though. 

[Having said that there will be a performance hit when compared to an i5/i3 processor. Its not like it will perform the same ideally you would have more processing power]

Yes this gaming pc is for a friend and I was going to get him a i5 4690k later next year

[GeoffreyPope]

Yes this gaming pc is for a friend and I was going to get him a i5 4690k later next year

I have used this processor and it does limit even a 270x when in battlefield 4, for example. However if you were to hop into a game of CS:GO or similarly low requirement game you see littlebenefit with a higher end processor

[i_build_nanosuits]

Yes this gaming pc is for a friend and I was going to get him a i5 4690k later next year

why don't you just build him a blanced rig that would play every games well from the get go?

you can find an R9 290 for like 250$ online nowadays brand new...this should allow you to get him a locked i5 and H97 board instead...much better overall...

 

This:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($63.99 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard: ASRock Z97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($89.99 @ Mwave)

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card  ($329.99 @ Amazon)

Total: $483.97

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-24 12:21 EST-0500

 

VS this:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($193.98 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($67.98 @ Newegg)

Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290 4GB TurboDuo Video Card  ($240.00 @ Newegg)

Total: $501.96

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-24 12:23 EST-0500

 

I know which one i would choose for sure...

[Goussy]

He isn't going to play the most demanding or intensive games so I don't think it will matter right now so I can just upgrade the cpu next year

[i_build_nanosuits]

He isn't going to play the most demanding or intensive games so I don't think it will matter right now so I can just upgrade the cpu next year

then why you do you want him to have a 350$+ GTX970 in his rig? (next to a 60$ CPU...) you must build with balanced parts...

[Sintezza]

yes it will bottleneck

[Goussy]

why don't you just build him a blanced rig that would play every games well from the get go?you can find an R9 290 for like 250$ online nowadays brand new...this should allow you to get him a locked i5 and H97 board instead...much better overall... This:PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($63.99 @ NCIX US)Motherboard: ASRock Z97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($89.99 @ Mwave)Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB Video Card  ($329.99 @ Amazon)Total: $483.97Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-24 12:21 EST-0500 VS this: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($193.98 @ OutletPC)Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($67.98 @ Newegg)Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290 4GB TurboDuo Video Card  ($240.00 @ Newegg)Total: $501.96Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-24 12:23 EST-0500 I know which one i would choose for sure...

so then you would be able fit this in a $750 budget?

[Goussy]

then why you do you want him to have a 350$+ GTX970 in his rig? (next to a 60$ CPU...) you must build with balanced parts...

I wasn't getting him a Gtx 970 someone else said it wouldn't bottleneck, didn't have it my build

[Goussy]

then why you do you want him to have a 350$+ GTX970 in his rig? (next to a 60$ CPU...) you must build with balanced parts...

Then is there a build that you can make that can play most or all games on ultra 60fps 1080p for around $750 with os and dvd driver?

He is only going to be gaming with it

[i_build_nanosuits]

Then is there a build that you can make that can play most or all games on ultra 60fps 1080p for around $750 with os and dvd driver?

He is only going to be gaming with it

sure, here it is :

 

These are prices NOT including Mail in rebates:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($184.97 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($77.98 @ Newegg)

Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($57.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 280 3GB TurboDuo Video Card  ($171.00 @ Newegg)

Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case  ($36.99 @ Micro Center)

Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Amazon)

Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer  ($13.99 @ Amazon)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit)  ($90.26 @ OutletPC)

Total: $758.16

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-24 12:55 EST-0500

 

This is what it will cost in the end if you do all the mail-in rebates forms: (i would suggest at least doing the 30$ on the GPU and 15$ for the case)

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($184.97 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($67.98 @ Newegg)

Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($57.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.49 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 280 3GB TurboDuo Video Card  ($141.00 @ Newegg)

Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case  ($21.99 @ Micro Center)

Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Amazon)

Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer  ($13.99 @ Amazon)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit)  ($90.26 @ OutletPC)

Total: $701.66

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-24 12:56 EST-0500

 

This is a good, well balanced gaming rig for 1080p

If somehow you want to spend more money on it, i'd suggest bumping the GPU to the R9 290...an SSD would be a nice upgrade to consider for the future as well.

 

You should also double check on the case if it includes both an intake AND an exaust fan in the box, i know it's

descent quality from having build a budget rig for my dad in this case but i can't remember if it included both fans

i think i had to put a cooler master 120 in it to intake fresh air...those cost like 9$ so if needed thro one in with your order.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Does a pentium G3258 bottleneck a R9 290 in this setup?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/cGd4Jx

i see you edited this, yes it will limit the performance of such a GPU...the most you should consider pairing with this CPU IMHO would be an R9 270 or GTX 660ti GPU...

[Goussy]

i see you edited this, yes it will limit the performance of such a GPU...the most you should consider pairing with this CPU IMHO would be an R9 270 or GTX 660ti GPU...

I hadn't change the setup of that someone said that the g3358 wouldn't bottleneck a Gtx 970

[SkilledRebuilds]

I hadn't change the setup of that someone said that the g3358 wouldn't bottleneck a Gtx 970

Not in some games no, but some absolutely yes, the more threaded games from launch get the worse it'll perform against other systems with the same GPU.

Games are even artificially limiting dualcores from starting games.

This will be more common as time goes on.

Save the disappointment and get a better CPU.

[i_build_nanosuits]

I hadn't change the setup of that someone said that the g3358 wouldn't bottleneck a Gtx 970

he is clueless, from my experience the CPU is pretty bad at modern multi-threaded games, with a lot of stuttering and hitching and very low GPU loads at times...the frametime is also very inconsistent due to all the micro-stuttering...as i mentionned already the only GPU i would consider pairing with this cpu is the ones who can't render more than low/medium settings (R9 270, GTX 660ti TOPS)

 

I mean just look at my video, the proof is right there that it severely limit the performance of a GTX780

not once did the GPU load goes to full 98%...in many cases the GPU load is hovering around 60%...that means

that this CPU should not be paired with a GPU stronger than 60% of a GTX 780...BUT you also have the stuttering issue

that occurs if the settings are set to high in most modern games...so a card to can do high settings at 1080p should

not even be paired with an overclocked pentium.

[Profquast]

sure, here it is :

 

These are prices NOT including Mail in rebates:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($184.97 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($77.98 @ Newegg)

Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($57.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 280 3GB TurboDuo Video Card  ($171.00 @ Newegg)

Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case  ($36.99 @ Micro Center)

Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Amazon)

Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer  ($13.99 @ Amazon)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit)  ($90.26 @ OutletPC)

Total: $758.16

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-24 12:55 EST-0500

 

This is what it will cost in the end if you do all the mail-in rebates forms: (i would suggest at least doing the 30$ on the GPU and 15$ for the case)

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($184.97 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($67.98 @ Newegg)

Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($57.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.49 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 280 3GB TurboDuo Video Card  ($141.00 @ Newegg)

Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case  ($21.99 @ Micro Center)

Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Amazon)

Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer  ($13.99 @ Amazon)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit)  ($90.26 @ OutletPC)

Total: $701.66

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-24 12:56 EST-0500

 

This is a good, well balanced gaming rig for 1080p

If somehow you want to spend more money on it, i'd suggest bumping the GPU to the R9 290...an SSD would be a nice upgrade to consider for the future as well.

 

You should also double check on the case if it includes both an intake AND an exaust fan in the box, i know it's

descent quality from having build a budget rig for my dad in this case but i can't remember if it included both fans

i think i had to put a cooler master 120 in it to intake fresh air...those cost like 9$ so if needed thro one in with your order.

I'm curious why you chose a H97 board instead of a cheaper B85 or H81 board, what is the reason for that?

[i_build_nanosuits]

I'm curious why you chose a H97 board instead of a cheaper B85 or H81 board, what is the reason for that?

yes the CPU is haswell refresh and those older chipset will most likely require a non-refresh haswell cpu in order to perform a bios update prior to using the 4460...

H97 motherboards are also better overall with more features and will support upcoming broadwell i7's as a possible upgrade path...so i decided to go with that instead.

[Profquast]

yes the CPU is haswell refresh and those older chipset will most likely require a non-refresh haswell cpu in order to perform a bios update prior to using the 4460...

H97 motherboards are also better overall with more features and will support upcoming broadwell i7's as a possible upgrade path...so i decided to go with that instead.

Fair enough, also taking a look at prices I see it doesn't really save you much to go with a lower end chipset

[i_build_nanosuits]

Fair enough, also taking a look at prices I see it doesn't really save you much to go with a lower end chipset

well...if you consider than an H97 motherboard will save you about 30$ over a Z97 board, the cpu will also be an average of about 35$ cheaper and the fact that you don't need an aftermarket CPU cooler for overclocking (again another 30$ or so...) it makes the cost of the entire H97 platform about 100$ cheaper maybe even more than that...

In fact, again if you consider those extra for Z97 and CPU cooler, one could get an H97 motherboard and an i7-4790K CPU

for about the same price as a Z97 + i5-4690K...considering the fact that the 4790K ships with a 4.4ghz boost clock (that you can lock on all 4 cores with an H97 board) it won't need overclocking...

it makes you think about why does people buy those overclocking ready i5 setups...cause an H97 and i7-4790K on stock cooler cost about the same but is better performance and is binned to run at 4.4ghz out of the box...

In short...the H97 and locked i5 give you the most performance per dollar, i you want to spend more you have two choices, the second one is best IMHO:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($208.99 @ Amazon)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.92 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($84.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $320.90

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-24 15:52 EST-0500

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.98 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($61.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $361.97

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-24 15:53 EST-0500

EDIT: oh i see what you meant...i got you wrong i think you meant you won't save that much more going with an H81 or B85 board which is correct especialy if you consider all the features you don't get.

Edited November 24, 2014 by i_build_nanosuits

[Goussy]

he is clueless, from my experience the CPU is pretty bad at modern multi-threaded games, with a lot of stuttering and hitching and very low GPU loads at times...the frametime is also very inconsistent due to all the micro-stuttering...as i mentionned already the only GPU i would consider pairing with this cpu is the ones who can't render more than low/medium settings (R9 270, GTX 660ti TOPS)

 

I mean just look at my video, the proof is right there that it severely limit the performance of a GTX780

not once did the GPU load goes to full 98%...in many cases the GPU load is hovering around 60%...that means

that this CPU should not be paired with a GPU stronger than 60% of a GTX 780...BUT you also have the stuttering issue

that occurs if the settings are set to high in most modern games...so a card to can do high settings at 1080p should

not even be paired with an overclocked pentium.

Ahh thank you grand master

[Goussy]

yes the pentium will bottleneck mid range and high end GPU,s by A LOT even if highly overclocked, here's a video i did with a GTX780,

the CPU was at 4.5ghz look at all that stuttering and low GPU loads:

 

 

I would suggest saving a bit more for at least a core i3, idealy a locked core i5 for such strong GPU's unless you play at higher resolution and aim for 30FPS...

 

also the pentium fail to even launch the most recent games like CoD:AW , far cry 4 and dragon age...i would have loved to test those games as well i think it would have been

even worst results but unfortunately i couldnt...

what is the song in this video, I am a fan

[SkilledRebuilds]

Can attest to the forced locking of Turbo clocks, I love that feature!

Although I have a Z-board, It's still a feature worth having for non-K CPU's, like mine.

 

Why do I have a Z-board..?

Because certain times of the year I have some projects that require the horsepower, and usually starting around Feb, to which by then I should have a 4790K to throw in.

My 2600K died, this was a QUICK AS HELL replacement temp CPU/Mobo to get me up n running, without bottlenecking/restricting my usual day to day.