Leanord French will be taking on Apple and CBP on behalf of Louis Rossman over the seized batterie

[Master Disaster]

So first confirmed on Twitter by Leanord...

and confirmed by an hour and a half long video posted on YouTube (which I'll provide as the source) Leanord has confirmed he will be taking on the Rossman Vs Apple and CBP case and will be fighting on behalf of the right to repair movement in general.

 

As Leanord points out in the video, it's not like Louis really needs someone to fight for him however as a lawyer he will be more suited to converting Louis's points into the legalese required by the court for the case to proceed.

 

In the words of Louis... (I've paraphrased but have kept the context identical)

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"If I were to offer Apple $10,000 for these batteries they would turn me down, even AASPs cannot buy them anymore, Apple won't sell them because they're vintage so this is a problem created entirely by Apples policies."

 

Typically the places i buy from will blank any Apple logos on the devices so they're not being represented as Apple products however ICE and Apple still took them from me because i was selling "counterfeit" parts. That's not right.

The discussion continues on for some time.

 

IMPORTANT EDIT - Leanord won't actually be fighting the case, he will be acting as an ambassador for Louis and will be finding him an attorney who is more suited to fight the case. Thanks WoNkEyEyEs for pointing that out.

 

Source

 

I find this to be a very interesting development and Louis played a blinder by getting Leanord involved. He's the most high profile lawyer on YouTube and also has a very keen interesting in tech.

 

If I understand the gist it seems like Leanord will be joining the Right To Repair movement in general, not just fighting for Louis on this case.

 

I can't wait to see how this turns out though as with all court cases don't expect to hear anything for at least months, probably years.

[Shimejii]

Apple will win sadly. They got $$$ and will do everything in their power to not let this happen.  Apple spits in the face of its customers consistently, makes fixing their products more and more complex, so they keep buying new instead of fixing. 

[wONKEyeYEs]

5 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Leanord has confirmed he will be taking on the Rossman Vs Apple and ICE case

Point of order, Leonard stated he will be finding suitable representation for Louis.

@38 seconds.

[Master Disaster]

2 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

Apple will win sadly. They got $$$ and will do everything in their power to not let this happen.  Apple spits in the face of its customers consistently, makes fixing their products more and more complex, so they keep buying new instead of fixing. 

You're probably right but I don't think the point is to win the case. They're trying to win the hearts ands minds of the general public, make this thing high profile enough and not only does it damage Apples reputation as a brand but it means the public will get behind the right to repair movement in general and more support for the cause makes it harder for the government to ignore.

[Master Disaster]

4 minutes ago, wONKEyeYEs said:

Point of order, Leonard stated he will be finding suitable representation for Louis.

@38 seconds.

I missed that and I don't know how...

 

Doesn't impact anything though imo, he's still involved in the case.

[wONKEyeYEs]

4 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Doesn't impact anything though imo, he's still involved in the case.

Just my OCD kickin' in.

[Master Disaster]

Just now, wONKEyeYEs said:

Just my OCD kickin' in.

I've added it to OP and credited you anyway, better to be thorough in these things

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6 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

You're probably right but I don't think the point is to win the case. They're trying to win the hearts ands minds of the general public, make this thing high profile enough and not only does it damage Apples reputation as a brand but it means the public will get behind the right to repair movement in general and more support for the cause makes it harder for the government to ignore.

The problem with that is every high profile case ultimately sets a precedent.  It's not a situation where so long as they keep pushing, even if they lose, it's progress - quite the opposite.  If they propose something and lose, that's actually going to hurt more than if nothing had happened.  Perhaps not in terms of public perception, but in terms of legal ramifications at least, and at the end of the day that tends to be what matters.

[Guest]

TBH it would be a different outcome if the Chinese wholesaler took Apple to court in China. They are ruthless over there. 

[Spotty]

According to the documents that Rossmann published, it was the CBP (Customers and Border Protection) that seized the goods, not ICE... And definitely not Apple. But I guess a video titled "Fighting United States Customs and Border Protection over importation of counterfeit goods" doesn't quite get as many clicks as "Fighting Apple!".

 

Is this legal action Rossmann responding to the US CBP customs seizure notice by taking the matter to court to prove his innocence, because if so Rossmann would be the defendant in the case of the US CBP vs Rossmann. Or is this going to be separate legal action that Rossmann is launching against Apple, because... Reasons?

[Master Disaster]

2 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

The problem with that is every high profile case ultimately sets a precedent.  It's not a situation where so long as they keep pushing, even if they lose, it's progress - quite the opposite.  If they propose something and lose, that's actually going to hurt more than if nothing had happened.  Perhaps not in terms of public perception, but in terms of legal ramifications at least, and at the end of the day that tends to be what matters.

Well I personally feel like Louis can't be expecting to win against ICE in court, he's far to intelligent for that.

 

I was thinking the grand plan was to use Rossman Vs Ice as a platform to increase the profile of the general right to repair movement. Sacrifice the battle to win the war sort of thing.

 

Do you think that's not possible?

 

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3 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Well I personally feel like Louis can't be expecting to win against ICE in court, he's far to intelligent for that.

 

I was thinking the grand plan was to use Rossman Vs Ice as a platform to increase the profile of the general right to repair movement. Sacrifice the battle to win the war sort of thing.

 

Do you think that's not possible?

I'm sure it could increase the "profile" of it, but my concern would be that ultimately, whoever wins this will have somewhat solidified their side as correct and repeatable/enforcable in law, so if that's not Rossmann, that's going to hurt the movement.  Where it otherwise would have remained a bit of an unknown where companies aren't sure if they can act, Apple would, if they won, from then on know they can do this consistently and "get away with it".

[Master Disaster]

6 minutes ago, Spotty said:

According to the documents that Rossmann published, it was the CBP (Customers and Border Protection) that seized the goods, not ICE... And definitely not Apple. But I guess a video titled "Fighting United States Customs and Border Protection over importation of counterfeit goods" doesn't quite get as many clicks as "Fighting Apple!".

 

Is this legal action Rossmann responding to the US CBP customs seizure notice by taking the matter to court to prove his innocence, because if so Rossmann would be the defendant in the case of the US CBP vs Rossmann. Or is this going to be separate legal action that Rossmann is launching against Apple, because... Reasons?

Louis has made no secret of the fact that ICE are acting on behalf of Apple, it says so right on the letter he received.

 

Also it is ICE they're going after, ICE are responsible for economic imports, CBP deal with weapon imports and cross border terrorism.

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[Sakkura]

6 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Louis has made no secret of the fact that ICE are acting on behalf of Apple, it says so right on the letter he received.

 

Also it is ICE they're going after, ICE are responsible for economic imports, CBP deal with weapon imports and cross border terrorism.

No, it's CBP.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Customs_and_Border_Protection#Enforcement_powers

 

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Merchandise may also be seized and forfeited if:

• Its importation is restricted or prohibited because of a law relating to health, safety or conservation;
• The merchandise is lacking a federal license required for the importation;
• The merchandise or packaging is in violation of copyright, trademark, trade name, or trade dress protections;
• The merchandise is intentionally or repetitively marked in violation of country of origin marking requirements; or
• The imported merchandise is subject to quantitative restrictions requiring a visa or similar document from a foreign government, and the document presented with the entry is counterfeit.

 

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, Sakkura said:

No, it's CBP.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Customs_and_Border_Protection#Enforcement_powers

 

 

So why was the original letter he received about the seizure from ICE? I'm confused now?

[Sakkura]

2 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

So why was the original letter he received about the seizure from ICE? I'm confused now?

It was from CBP.

 

 

[Master Disaster]

Just now, Sakkura said:

It was from CBP.

 

 

Well I've updated the topic to reflect this already.

[Sauron]

43 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Leanord

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At first I thought it was a typo, but the consistency of it makes me think there must be some evil master plan behind it

[asus killer]

38 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

Just livestream and publish the court session to all over the planet. Apple needs a giant slap in the face

like that would make any difference for the people that blindly buys apple products. Apple's power come from it's money that comes from people buying their stuff no matter what they do

[asus killer]

4 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

Because there are people who don't blindly buy Apple products...

i fell like there are 2 types of person: the ones that buy apple shit even if they know Chinese people are trowing themselves of the roof to make their shiny iphones or don't pay taxes or don't allow repairs, are overpriced, and the rest.

If you keep buying apple products even when you know people are literally killing themselves to make apple stuff, all else is not very relevant. But even if this doesn't hold true, the rest are all pretty well known facts.

 

If you're the part that doesn't buy their stuff you really don't matter much. Like a politic cares about you only if you vote for him.

[TechyBen]

1 hour ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

The problem with that is every high profile case ultimately sets a precedent.  It's not a situation where so long as they keep pushing, even if they lose, it's progress - quite the opposite.  If they propose something and lose, that's actually going to hurt more than if nothing had happened.  Perhaps not in terms of public perception, but in terms of legal ramifications at least, and at the end of the day that tends to be what matters.

At this point, a total law against even touching an Apple product will be a net benefit IMO. Let people see what happens if Apple controls it all. Me? I'll use something else, or use nothing. I'll be happy. XD

[Master Disaster]

54 minutes ago, Sauron said:

At first I thought it was a typo, but the consistency of it makes me think there must be some evil master plan behind it

Nah, it's autocorrect on my tablet, I gave up fighting it. For some reason it doesn't learn like its supposed to?

[asus killer]

26 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

You really believe in that? lol

If you were right, Loius would have gotten his batteries and this thread would not exist...

you lost me. i didn't get your point.

[Misanthrope]

1 hour ago, Shimejii said:

Apple will win sadly. They got $$$ and will do everything in their power to not let this happen.  Apple spits in the face of its customers consistently, makes fixing their products more and more complex, so they keep buying new instead of fixing. 

 

1 hour ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

The problem with that is every high profile case ultimately sets a precedent.  It's not a situation where so long as they keep pushing, even if they lose, it's progress - quite the opposite.  If they propose something and lose, that's actually going to hurt more than if nothing had happened.  Perhaps not in terms of public perception, but in terms of legal ramifications at least, and at the end of the day that tends to be what matters.

 

I have to side with Ryan and I'd go as far as to say that Rossman already won: He is going to gain a lot of attention for his "right to repair" cause and will probably turn this into a big debate and high profile case the tech world might follow while all Apple can do is hope they can convince him to give him money into making this go away quietly instead of becoming a constant PR nightmare and have people question Apple's policies even more.

 

He is also going to bring a lot of attention to both his shop and his channel and for a guy his size this will translate into significantly better funded endeavors and plenty of good will. Sure there's legal fees to worry about but since he is positioning this as a political issue with the right to repair angle he is very likely to get pro bono and support from several people also interested in this particular fight because they are also interested in a high profile case.

 

All of this is potentially only costing them a few bucks for the batteries that were held.