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     I am wanting to build a PC but I am not sure what parts I should get. I have some parts I already have but don't have the others. This is what I already have:

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bx9B7W
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bx9B7W/by_merchant/

Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Total: $0.00

 

I have $800 to get everything else. I could also get an old gtxx 1050 from a friend for free but I don't know if that is the best I can get or if I should get it and spend the extra money elsewhere in the PC. I am mostly playing fps games and some mobas on a 1080p dell monitor. I also have a red mouse, keyboard and headset mic that I would like to have red on all parts of the pc if i can. Thank you

 

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3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

You know 300 series boards from msi dont use that good of compassitors? Just to tell you

Yes, my friend told me that but I had already bought it and had it for a month because I thought it was a good deal. But will it still work? Do I have to replace it?

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I'm not sure about ryzen and nvidia cards but I thought these were good. Is this fine?

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j6q9XP
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j6q9XP/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($159.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  ($60.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX6000 128GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($35.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($56.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card  ($494.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Total: $808.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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8 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

You know 300 series boards from msi dont use that good of compassitors? Just to tell you

As long as you stick with a 6 core and don't put super high voltage through the vrm it really doesn't matter. 

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PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2JghdX
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2JghdX/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($159.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC - Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/Red) CPU Cooler  ($31.98 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Memory: Team - T-Force Delta RGB 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($75.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($86.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card  ($429.95 @ B&H) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Total: $784.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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The choice of the Ryzen 5 2600 is dependent on if you know your B350 motherboard's BIOS is up to date to accept Ryzen 2000 CPUs.

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I would argue the 1070 Ti, because it is basically a 1080, also, the stock coolers in AMD's stuff are pretty stout for what they are cooling, you probably don't need an aftermarket cooler unless you are doing some crazy overclocks.|
PLUS, MSI does the black and red which fits your color scheme.

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1 hour ago, Kiyometa said:

I would argue the 1070 Ti, because it is basically a 1080, also, the stock coolers in AMD's stuff are pretty stout for what they are cooling, you probably don't need an aftermarket cooler unless you are doing some crazy overclocks.|
PLUS, MSI does the black and red which fits your color scheme.

Is a 1080 only marginally better than a 1070ti? Or is there a noticeable difference in games?

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1 hour ago, seoz said:

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2JghdX
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2JghdX/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($159.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC - Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/Red) CPU Cooler  ($31.98 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Memory: Team - T-Force Delta RGB 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($75.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($86.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card  ($429.95 @ B&H) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Total: $784.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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The choice of the Ryzen 5 2600 is dependent on if you know your B350 motherboard's BIOS is up to date to accept Ryzen 2000 CPUs.

How can i check the bios? Or can i not until i get the cpu

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38 minutes ago, Zenyatta said:

Is a 1080 only marginally better than a 1070ti? Or is there a noticeable difference in games?

Correct, like super maginally better to the point Nvidia didn't allow board partners to overclock the 1070 Ti out of the box because it would beat the 1080 stock handidly. So just use whichever tool, like MSI Afterburner to set a slight overclock to match it to the 1080 if you really want 1080 speeds, but Nvidias built in OC works pretty decent that you could easily just leave it alone.

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38 minutes ago, Zenyatta said:

How can i check the bios? Or can i not until i get the cpu

Yeah, kind of a crapshoot there. I have heard that  when ryzens APU first came out that AMD was sending an on loan CPU to update the bios, not sure if they will still do that if its not updated. I would say go for the 2600 for now and hope for the best.

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12 hours ago, Zenyatta said:

Hello,

     I am wanting to build a PC but I am not sure what parts I should get. I have some parts I already have but don't have the others. This is what I already have:

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bx9B7W
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bx9B7W/by_merchant/

Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Total: $0.00

 

I have $800 to get everything else. I could also get an old gtxx 1050 from a friend for free but I don't know if that is the best I can get or if I should get it and spend the extra money elsewhere in the PC. I am mostly playing fps games and some mobas on a 1080p dell monitor. I also have a red mouse, keyboard and headset mic that I would like to have red on all parts of the pc if i can. Thank you

 

Build something like this....

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($159.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($124.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU650 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Video Card  ($384.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Total: $768.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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CPU - Ryzen 7 3700X

Mobo - ASRock X470 Taichi

Memory - G.Skill Trident Z RGB (8x2 3200MHz) 

Storage - Sabrent Rocket 1TB - Seagate Barracuda 2TBWD Black 1TB

GPU - MSI GeForce GTX 980Ti LIGHTNING

CaseFractal Design Meshify C

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6 hours ago, vexicus365 said:

Build something like this....

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($159.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($124.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU650 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Video Card  ($384.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Total: $768.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Will that ram work with ryzen? I heard that some ram won't go to their rated speeds on ryzen

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@vexicus365 @Kiyometa @Brooksie359 what if I only got 8gb of ram and bought a new motherboard and a r7 1700? Like this?

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Is that a good motherboard for a 1700 or do i need to get something else?

 

or do i stay with the 2600 and 16gb of ram for gaming?

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20 minutes ago, Zenyatta said:

@vexicus365 @Kiyometa @Brooksie359 what if I only got 8gb of ram and bought a new motherboard and a r7 1700? Like this?

PCPartPicker part list:

 

Is that a good motherboard for a 1700 or do i need to get something else?

 

or do i stay with the 2600 and 16gb of ram for gaming?

Stay with the 2600 and 16gb of ram. I mean you could use the 1700 on the tomahawk motherboard but you would want to manually set the voltage to something low like 1.25v. I am currently using the b350 tomahawk and originally bought it with the r7 1700 when the cpus first released. Ran it at 3.7 on all core with voltage set at 1.2v. The 2600 would be better for gaming but if the b350 motherboard doesn't have an updated bios then it won't post with the 2600 which would be problematic. Also it should be noted that the b350 motherboard you posted won't be much better and isn't worth spending 80 dollars on. I would try to use the one you already bought unless there is some way to get your money back for the one you bought. 

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41 minutes ago, Zenyatta said:

@vexicus365 @Kiyometa @Brooksie359 what if I only got 8gb of ram and bought a new motherboard and a r7 1700? Like this?

PCPartPicker part list:

 

Is that a good motherboard for a 1700 or do i need to get something else?

 

or do i stay with the 2600 and 16gb of ram for gaming?

This board should be better at it's price.

It even has on board wifi.

Also, u can add in a second 8gb ram stick later on...

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3GHz 8-Core Processor  ($179.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($63.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU650 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Video Card  ($384.98 @ Newegg Business) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Total: $807.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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CPU - Ryzen 7 3700X

Mobo - ASRock X470 Taichi

Memory - G.Skill Trident Z RGB (8x2 3200MHz) 

Storage - Sabrent Rocket 1TB - Seagate Barracuda 2TBWD Black 1TB

GPU - MSI GeForce GTX 980Ti LIGHTNING

CaseFractal Design Meshify C

PSUSuper Flower Leadex II Gold 650W

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30 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Stay with the 2600 and 16gb of ram. I mean you could use the 1700 on the tomahawk motherboard but you would want to manually set the voltage to something low like 1.25v. I am currently using the b350 tomahawk and originally bought it with the r7 1700 when the cpus first released. Ran it at 3.7 on all core with voltage set at 1.2v. The 2600 would be better for gaming but if the b350 motherboard doesn't have an updated bios then it won't post with the 2600 which would be problematic. Also it should be noted that the b350 motherboard you posted won't be much better and isn't worth spending 80 dollars on. I would try to use the one you already bought unless there is some way to get your money back for the one you bought. 

Why is 2600 and 16gb of ram better than a 1700 and 8gb of ram. Is the extra ram better than the extra cores? My idea was that you could get another 8gb of ram a lot easier than get two more cores. Or is the 2600 better because it has a higher clock speed. Can the 1700 be clocked at higher speeds to match or get close? What if I got the motherboard that the other person said: Asrock X370 Killer. I'm not sure if I can return the MSI but even if I can't it, while it was a waste of money, buying the better one would still get me more performance while with the same budget.

23 minutes ago, vexicus365 said:

This board should be better at it's price.

It even has on board wifi.

Also, u can add in a second 8gb ram stick later on...

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3GHz 8-Core Processor  ($179.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($63.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU650 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($58.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Video Card  ($384.98 @ Newegg Business) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 5 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Total: $807.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Would you recommend getting the 2600 and 16gb of ram and use the MSI motherboard or get a new one and a 1700 and only 8gb of ram?

 

Also is the gigabyte 1070ti the one I should get? What about this EVGA one or the MSI one that is red and black. Is there a significant difference or is the gigabyte one the best?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZWnG3C/msi-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-8gb-video-card-gtx-1070-ti-gaming-8g
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Z6BTwP/evga-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-8gb-ftw-ultra-silent-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-6678-kr

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2 minutes ago, Zenyatta said:

Why is 2600 and 16gb of ram better than a 1700 and 8gb of ram. Is the extra ram better than the extra cores? My idea was that you could get another 8gb of ram a lot easier than get two more cores. Or is the 2600 better because it has a higher clock speed. Can the 1700 be clocked at higher speeds to match or get close? What if I got the motherboard that the other person said: Asrock X370 Killer. I'm not sure if I can return the MSI but even if I can't it, while it was a waste of money, buying the better one would still get me more performance while with the same budget.

Would you recommend getting the 2600 and 16gb of ram and use the MSI motherboard or get a new one and a 1700 and only 8gb of ram?

 

Also is the gigabyte 1070ti the one I should get? What about this EVGA one or the MSI one that is red and black. Is there a significant difference or is the gigabyte one the best?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZWnG3C/msi-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-8gb-video-card-gtx-1070-ti-gaming-8g
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Z6BTwP/evga-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-8gb-ftw-ultra-silent-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-6678-kr

thanks

2 extra cores is only useful if you can make use of it. In gaming it makes basically 0 difference to have 8 vs 6 so the 2600 with its higher clocks slightly improved ipc and lower infinity fabric latency make it the better gaming cpu. The 1700 is quite a bit better than the 2600 in more work oriented tasks that can use the extra cores like video rendering. That being said the 2600 needs updated bios for b350 and x370 boards to work and if they don't then you would need a ryzen 1 cpu in order to update the bios to allow you to use the 2600 with said board. So if the b350 or x370 board doesn't have updated bios then you would be in a pickle with the 2600 while with the 1700 you would be fine as 300 series motherboards don't need bios updated in order for them to work with the r7 1700. 

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The RAM I linked is on the supported list of RAM for the MB that is on there. From experience you may have to underclock a little instead of using XMP (Had to do that with my r7 1700 on my server, so it is set to 2933 instead of 3200). I have to agree with @Brooksie359 as far as getting the 2600. Most of the boards you buy new are going to have an updated BIOS. Not all mind you, but most. If it is not, not sure if AMD is still doing this, but when the APU's first came out, they were offering to send a super low powered CPU on loan to update the BIOS, you just had to send it back within a month or so, it is pretty cheap to ship just a CPU.

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2 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

2 extra cores is only useful if you can make use of it. In gaming it makes basically 0 difference to have 8 vs 6 so the 2600 with its higher clocks slightly improved ipc and lower infinity fabric latency make it the better gaming cpu. The 1700 is quite a bit better than the 2600 in more work oriented tasks that can use the extra cores like video rendering. That being said the 2600 needs updated bios for b350 and x370 boards to work and if they don't then you would need a ryzen 1 cpu in order to update the bios to allow you to use the 2600 with said board. So if the b350 or x370 board doesn't have updated bios then you would be in a pickle with the 2600 while with the 1700 you would be fine as 300 series motherboards don't need bios updated in order for them to work with the r7 1700. 

 

9 minutes ago, Kiyometa said:

@Zenyatta
The RAM I linked is on the supported list of RAM for the MB that is on there. From experience you may have to underclock a little instead of using XMP (Had to do that with my r7 1700 on my server, so it is set to 2933 instead of 3200). I have to agree with @Brooksie359 as far as getting the 2600. Most of the boards you buy new are going to have an updated BIOS. Not all mind you, but most. If it is not, not sure if AMD is still doing this, but when the APU's first came out, they were offering to send a super low powered CPU on loan to update the BIOS, you just had to send it back within a month or so, it is pretty cheap to ship just a CPU.

Ok, thank you. I am trying to see if I can return the motherboard. If I were to be able to return it and get a new one, which one should I get that would work with 2600

I am curious. Why would I undervolt instead of using XMP?

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With the first generation MBs, the memory support sucked. The particular MB I got did not like going up to 3200MHz. Fortunately even though it was undervolted at 1.2V, it is stable at 2933MHz. The XMP Profile puts it at 3200MHz as its rated for and just failed to boot, your use may vary though and your MB may have better luck.

Getting a new MB would definitely make your life easier.

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