Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L RGB

[Ottens238]

Dear tech fanatics,

 

I'm going to build a PC after Black Friday.

This build contains the following parts:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mVWGtg

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor	$259.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$59.99 @ Newegg
Thermal Compound	ARCTIC - MX4 4g Thermal Paste	$3.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	MSI - Z370M MORTAR Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$99.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$164.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 970 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$87.89 @ OutletPC
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$58.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB AMP! Edition Video Card	$279.99 @ Amazon
Case	Fractal Design - Meshify C Mini Dark TG MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$85.42 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Cooler Master - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$75.98 @ Newegg
Keyboard	Logitech - G810 Orion Spectrum RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard
Mouse	Logitech - G502 Proteus Spectrum Wired Optical Mouse	$49.98 @ Newegg
Headphones	Corsair - VOID 7.1 Channel Headset
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1261.90
	Mail-in rebates	-$35.00
	Total	$1226.90
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-24 04:38 EDT-0400

 

I'm now wondering if the ML240L can keep the i5 cool enough, I'm going to overclock the CPU pretty hard so good cooling is appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance.

[Shimejii]

If your going to be spending that much on stuff, just get an i7 8700k, or get a ryzen 2700x. i5's are not worth it. You do not need NVME unless you are a Making money doing video editing, Cad Work, or other large file workloads. You are better off getting a much larger Sata based SSD

 

I also would be careful of that cooler, it does not have a very good tolerance for screw length.

[Ottens238]

16 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

If your going to be spending that much on stuff, just get an i7 8700k, or get a ryzen 2700x. i5's are not worth it. You do not need NVME unless you are a Making money doing video editing, Cad Work, or other large file workloads. You are better off getting a much larger Sata based SSD

 

I also would be careful of that cooler, it does not have a very good tolerance for screw length.

I'm not getting an i7, because that's too expensive.

Why are the i5's not worth it?

 

For the NVME, I like fast boot times and like the system to be very responsible.

 

What do you mean with the tolerance for screw length?

[Shimejii]

13 minutes ago, Ottens238 said:

I'm not getting an i7, because that's too expensive.

Why are the i5's not worth it?

 

For the NVME, I like fast boot times and like the system to be very responsible.

 

What do you mean with the tolerance for screw length?

NVME does absolutely nothing for boot times, or help your system be responsive if you take 5 minutes to set up your windows properly with a normal sata SSD. If you want to fix that stop all non essential programs at the start of windows. 

 

I5's are limited in what they can do. They can do one or two tasks great, but besides that you will have a big impact on your system. Its why i say you either go i7, or go ryzen.

[Ottens238]

10 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

NVME does absolutely nothing for boot times, or help your system be responsive if you take 5 minutes to set up your windows properly with a normal sata SSD. If you want to fix that stop all non essential programs at the start of windows. 

 

I5's are limited in what they can do. They can do one or two tasks great, but besides that you will have a big impact on your system. Its why i say you either go i7, or go ryzen.

The Ryzen processors are not that great with overclocking, or am I wrong with that?

I like Intel and I'm not an AMD fan.

For my build I'm seriously not gonna include an i7, that's to expensive for my build.

I have a budget is around 1200 dollars so I'm not gonna buy an i7.

[Shimejii]

4 minutes ago, Ottens238 said:

The Ryzen processors are not that great with overclocking, or am I wrong with that?

I like Intel and I'm not an AMD fan.

For my build I'm seriously not gonna include an i7, that's to expensive for my build.

I have a budget is around 1200 dollars so I'm not gonna buy an i7.

No your not wrong with the overclocking bit. But what are you not so much of a fan of AMD Ryzen chips?

 

And sure i could understand the expense, but i could easily justify the ryzen 2600 being a 6 core 12 thread that will perform adequately

 

What exactly will you be doing with this pc? 

[Ottens238]

Just now, Shimejii said:

No your not wrong with the overclocking bit. But what are you not so much of a fan of AMD Ryzen chips?

 

And sure i could understand the expense, but i could easily justify the ryzen 2600 being a 6 core 12 thread that will perform adequately

 

What exactly will you be doing with this pc? 

I want to use the PC for gaming and streaming.

The PC is also gonna be used for video editing and coding.

[Shimejii]

4 minutes ago, Ottens238 said:

I want to use the PC for gaming and streaming.

The PC is also gonna be used for video editing and coding.

Yeah no that i5 is simply not going to cut it, streaming on a i5 like that is going to be AWFUL, as well as video editing.. Curious to ask how old are you?

[Ottens238]

6 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

Yeah no that i5 is simply not going to cut it, streaming on a i5 like that is going to be AWFUL, as well as video editing.. Curious to ask how old are you?

My friend streams with the i5-8600k with ease.

So I don't know what you're saying right now...

 

And I'm 17 years old, I'm doing an IT study so I know what I picked...

[Shimejii]

2 minutes ago, Ottens238 said:

My friend streams with the i5-8600k with ease.

So I don't know what you're saying right now...

 

And I'm 17 years old, I'm doing an IT study so I know what I picked...

What games are you going to be streaming with? Unless its Dota, LoL, or other games with 200+ fps, your not going to have a good time without adjusting major settings in your streaming service. 

 

Just because your doing IT study doesnt mean you understand everything that goes along with that. Ive been doing IT for a few years now, unless your doing benchmarks, doing the tests, and comparing how each CPU reacts with certain workloads, you should be learning all you can. Go watch a few GamersNexus videos about proper stream encoding and what happens.

 

Can you do it with a 8600k? Sure, you can do it. IS it the best option available to you right now? far from it. Ryzen does exceedingly well with streaming and encoding. Also i would heavily reccomend you just play games and get good at them before trying a career out in streaming. It takes about 70 hours of streaming a week just to stay relavent, let alone even gain a following. its a TON of work for not much pay for a few years, i wouldnt reccomend that path. Content creation is a bit different, doing youtube and such.

[Ottens238]

7 hours ago, Shimejii said:

What games are you going to be streaming with? Unless its Dota, LoL, or other games with 200+ fps, your not going to have a good time without adjusting major settings in your streaming service. 

 

Just because your doing IT study doesnt mean you understand everything that goes along with that. Ive been doing IT for a few years now, unless your doing benchmarks, doing the tests, and comparing how each CPU reacts with certain workloads, you should be learning all you can. Go watch a few GamersNexus videos about proper stream encoding and what happens.

 

Can you do it with a 8600k? Sure, you can do it. IS it the best option available to you right now? far from it. Ryzen does exceedingly well with streaming and encoding. Also i would heavily reccomend you just play games and get good at them before trying a career out in streaming. It takes about 70 hours of streaming a week just to stay relavent, let alone even gain a following. its a TON of work for not much pay for a few years, i wouldnt reccomend that path. Content creation is a bit different, doing youtube and such.

I'm just gonna play Overwatch and some other games, but mainly Overwatch.

 

But coming back to the topic:

Is the ML240L good enough to cool the CPU?

[WoodenMarker]

It performs fine but you can get similar performance with a quieter and cheaper cooler like the Mugen 5 Rev. B that'd be more reliable due to lack of a pump and a higher quality fan: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8GBrxr/scythe-mugen-5-rev-b-512-cfm-cpu-cooler-scmg-5100

The aftermarket thermal paste is unnecessary since the cooler comes with decent paste already.

[Ottens238]

3 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

It performs fine but you can get similar performance with a quieter and cheaper cooler like the Mugen 5 Rev. B that'd be more reliable due to lack of a pump and a higher quality fan: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8GBrxr/scythe-mugen-5-rev-b-512-cfm-cpu-cooler-scmg-5100

The aftermarket thermal paste is unnecessary since the cooler comes with decent paste already.

Before the watercooler I was looking for the Dark Rock 4.

And the problem that would probably be that the RAM was going to interfere with the cooler.

(And a tower doesn't look that great if you want to setup a RGB light show ^^)

[WoodenMarker]

29 minutes ago, Ottens238 said:

Before the watercooler I was looking for the Dark Rock 4.

And the problem that would probably be that the RAM was going to interfere with the cooler.

(And a tower doesn't look that great if you want to setup a RGB light show ^^)

If it's aesthetics you're after, it's up to you what looks good. The Mugen 5 Rev. B completely clears the ram. 

[Ottens238]

32 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

If it's aesthetics you're after, it's up to you what looks good. The Mugen 5 Rev. B completely clears the ram. 

Just to be clear, the Cooler is great but a little bit loud, am I right?

Does it stay around 80 degrees Celsius while probably overclocked to 4.6GHz or higher, during load?

[WoodenMarker]

1 minute ago, Ottens238 said:

Just to be clear, the Cooler is great but a little bit loud, am I right?

Does it stay around 80 degrees Celsius while probably overclocked to 4.6GHz or higher, during load?

Temps will depend on several factors including how much voltage you'll need for the oc. At worst, it shouldn't be any more than 80-90c at load.