Advice Needed

[Unkindness]

Hi all,

Looking to run a Cougar Panzer case because it's meant to have a good air flow design. I've decided to get the non-rgb case so I can run 3x 120mm Noctua NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM Fans up front and the case stock fan acting as an exhaust. For a CPU cooler, I'm looking at a Cryorig H7 Plus.

The advice I need is that I want to run an i9 9900k with a STRIX-GTX1060-O6G-GAMING. I am reading this will run fairly hot with the i9 not exactly the coolest of cats.

So will this set up (as theorically as possible) be enough to keep temp low? Plan will be using this machine for some casual gaming (c'mon Red Dead 2 PC launch!) and watching a tonne of streamed sport and TV.

Cheers!

[Derrk]

h7 is a good cooler. i assume it should be fine, depending on how much you overclock the 9900k

[Wh0_Am_1]

2 minutes ago, Unkindness said:

Hi all,

Looking to run a Cougar Panzer case because it's meant to have a good air flow design. I've decided to get the non-rgb case so I can run 3x 120mm Noctua NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM Fans up front and the case stock fan acting as an exhaust. For a CPU cooler, I'm looking at a Cryorig H7 Plus.

The advice I need is that I want to run an i9 9900k with a STRIX-GTX1060-O6G-GAMING. I am reading this will run fairly hot with the i9 not exactly the coolest of cats.

So will this set up (as theorically as possible) be enough to keep temp low? Plan will be using this machine for some casual gaming (c'mon Red Dead 2 PC launch!) and watching a tonne of streamed sport and TV.

Cheers!

It will run cool enough that you may even be able to  OC it a bit.

[Zando_]

3 minutes ago, Derrk said:

h7 is a good cooler. i assume it should be fine, depending on how much you overclock the 9900k

Apparently the H5 performs a bit better, and in stress tests my 8700K at stock was hitting 85C on an H5 Universal, and my 8600K at 5GHz hit 91-93C, so I swapped to an NH-D15S and now it doesn't get much higher than 81-83C under 100% load in synthetic tests, and stays a good bit below that in most gaming. I imagine the 9900K will be as hot if not hotter, so I'd advise a pretty beefy cooler. 

[Unkindness]

Would it be worth adding 3 more fans to the roof of the case or should i just go AIO in that instance? I'm brand spanking new to the home building PC game so OCing won't be on the cards until i know what/how to do it!

Out of interest, what's considered "hot" for an air flow system?

[Derrk]

1 minute ago, Unkindness said:

Would it be worth adding 3 more fans to the roof of the case or should i just go AIO in that instance? I'm brand spanking new to the home building PC game so OCing won't be on the cards until i know what/how to do it!

Out of interest, what's considered "hot" for an air flow system?

I think beefy air coolers usually perform better than AIOs. Perhaps some 360mm AIOs can perform better, but those get expensive

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, Unkindness said:

Would it be worth adding 3 more fans to the roof of the case or should i just go AIO in that instance? I'm brand spanking new to the home building PC game so OCing won't be on the cards until i know what/how to do it!

Out of interest, what's considered "hot" for an air flow system?

Hot for any system is usually 90C or above. 80-85C isn't comfortable but it's perfectly safe, and anything below 70C is good IMO. And AIOs are great, if you can fit a 360mm then get one and stick it in the top (I wouldn't advise putting an AIO as the front intake because then you pump hot air over your mobo and GPU). If you can only fit a 240 or 280mm you should take a look at the Noctua NH-D15S (same as the NH-D15 but with better RAM compatibility and such). It's about $80 (cheapest 240/280mm AIOs that are good are usually around $100 or more) and performs about the same as a 240mm AIO. It is a lot harder to fit though, it's massively beefy and if you want to run 2 fans on it instead of the one it comes with, you'll either need to mount it vertically (exhausting out the top), or have *really* short RAM. Whereas AIOs generally have a small CPU block/pump combo and then the big radiator you just stick in the top. 

[Unkindness]

So is two towers the norm for running i9's comfortably? Noctua's standard fan colour makes me ill so would rather use someth8ng easier on the eye. Petty I know but I will.be looking at this thing for the next long while! (Only way to convince the better half!) 

[LogicalDrm]

10 minutes ago, Unkindness said:

So is two towers the norm for running i9's comfortably? Noctua's standard fan colour makes me ill so would rather use someth8ng easier on the eye. Petty I know but I will.be looking at this thing for the next long while! (Only way to convince the better half!) 

Adding case fans does nothing if you have tiny CPU cooler to begin with. GPU will be fine with 3 fans as intake. D15 is out of question almost completely. Your case has only 160mm clearance. D15's heatsink is 160mm, with fan extending over that. Sadly so are many other dual towers. Scythe Fuma is among the few that would fit. Its not as good as top end models, but will do. be Quiet! Dark Rock 4 should fit, so does Le Grande Macho RT which has shown some nice results against top end dual towers.

 

(as personal note, I don't understand you people who are willing to pay arm and leg for top model CPU, but then want budget cooler to go with it)

[Unkindness]

1 minute ago, LoGiCalDrm said:

(as personal note, I don't understand you people who are willing to pay arm and leg for top model CPU, but then want budget cooler to go with it)

I've no bother in spending the money now in keeping this thing reliable for the next 5 years. AIOs and water is freaking me out coz it's alot a money to be spending and a friggin leak wiped it all out!

[Unkindness]

What about this sort of set up?

 

NH-C14S

[DemonGoD]

I have a NH-C14S its not a bad cooler I have both the fans installed, its good but its not D15 level of cooling that's for sure.  You would get better cooling out of AIO  but i peronsally prefer air. I have heard that new chip runs stupid hot so a closed lopp should be a consideration.  If you do go with decide to go with a air cool consider putting 1-2 fans on top back slot above where the cpu sits for exhausting the heat for when your gaming and your cpu and gpu are running hot. From my own anecdotal experience having a top exhaust over the cpu  is far more important than the positive negative pressure stuffs. I have a PC with that cooler on it that just would not cool down even after a delid on my 7700k  fixed my cpu temps the case rear exhaust was spitting fire and the gpu ran hot. There was just to much heat in that area adding fans above my CPU solved my problem completely .  

[WoodenMarker]

6 hours ago, Unkindness said:

Out of interest, what's considered "hot" for an air flow system?

What's considered hot depends on the components and it doesn't really matter how it's cooled as long as temps aren't too high and stable. As a rule of thumb, the 1060 and 9900k shouldn't be higher than 80-90c at load. 

6 hours ago, Unkindness said:

What about this sort of set up?

NH-C14S

A downdraft cooler wouldn't perform optimally in a case like the Panzer. It's better to have the fans in the system face the same direction if possible which is why most coolers tend to be heatsinks that blow sideways to accommodate mid towers. 

What ram are you using?

[Unkindness]

7 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

 

What ram are you using?

G.SKILL Sniper X 8mb 3000 x4

[Unkindness]

So I've had a think and I think I may shift to a Meshify C (just for the extra cooler hight) with a Alpenföhn Olymp which will give me a whole 5 mm of clearance between the top of the cooler and glass. Also thinking of banging in a Noctua Industrial for venting with another NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM venting out the top.

[LogicalDrm]

5 minutes ago, Unkindness said:

So I've had a think and I think I may shift to a Meshify C (just for the extra cooler hight) with a Alpenföhn Olymp which will give me a whole 5 mm of clearance between the top of the cooler and glass. Also thinking of banging in a Noctua Industrial for venting with another NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM venting out the top.

There's absolutely no reason to change stock fans from Meshify C. And definetly not to iPPC fans. Are you looking for performance and less noise or just performance? Adding iPPC will mean that they are most likely most noisiest component in the case.

[Unkindness]

2 hours ago, LoGiCalDrm said:

Are you looking for performance and less noise or just performance? Adding iPPC will mean that they are most likely most noisiest component in the case.

Just trying to exhaust as much heat out of this thing as possible if the 9900k runs hot. If the 1x Fractual fan you get with the C will exhaust well i can leave it and not loose sleep. I am toying with another high pressure to vent out of the top corner over the CPU cooler but with the bigger Olymp rather than the H7 Extra, will it be needed?

[LogicalDrm]

2 hours ago, Unkindness said:

Just trying to exhaust as much heat out of this thing as possible if the 9900k runs hot. If the 1x Fractual fan you get with the C will exhaust well i can leave it and not loose sleep. I am toying with another high pressure to vent out of the top corner over the CPU cooler but with the bigger Olymp rather than the H7 Extra, will it be needed?

Its hard to say just like this. I would test it out with existing fans first and see if something is even needed. 9900K is so new that I haven't seen any user experiences with it. For 8700K good cooler with normal 2 in, 1 out is quite enough. iPPC and other server-style fans are more oriented for systems with restrictive airflow, no possibility to use efficient coolers and constant heavy use.

[Unkindness]

4 minutes ago, LoGiCalDrm said:

Its hard to say just like this. I would test it out with existing fans first and see if something is even needed. 9900K is so new that I haven't seen any user experiences with it. For 8700K good cooler with normal 2 in, 1 out is quite enough. iPPC and other server-style fans are more oriented for systems with restrictive airflow, no possibility to use efficient coolers and constant heavy use.

Thank you for the insight! Currently I am looking at 3 in, 2 out and 2 on the Olymp which looks like it'll be close to the exhaust fan to really spit heat out.

[WoodenMarker]

3 hours ago, Unkindness said:

Thank you for the insight! Currently I am looking at 3 in, 2 out and 2 on the Olymp which looks like it'll be close to the exhaust fan to really spit heat out.

If you want a taller cooler like the Olymp, you'd have to go with a case like the Meshify C for more clearance.

What kind of pricing are you looking at? The Phantom performs slightly worse but might be cheaper: https://www.komplett.ie/gelid-solutions-phantom-120mm/80049239/product/9420

There's also a Black variant: https://www.komplett.ie/gelid-solutions-phantom-black-120mm/80049240/product/9420

8 hours ago, Unkindness said:

Also thinking of banging in a Noctua Industrial for venting with another NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM venting out the top.

iPPC's would be noisier and wouldn't perform much better than 1700rpm NF-P12's. 

What you have in mind would provide great cooling but is unnecessary. I recommend seeing how the stock case fans with the Meshify C perform before deciding on whether or not to buy new ones since they're pretty good and should already be adequate.