does Apple have a good reason for this?

[Ashleyyyy]

is there any good reason for my MacBook Pro 15" Late 2011 losing support? for macOS Mojave you need a mid 2012 or newer MacBook Pro... why?

[Supportsneedlove]

When you find yourself asking the question: "Does (Apple, EA, Ubisoft) have a good reason for this shitty thing they did?" 

The answer is no. Or money, but mostly no. 

[GlobalPentahedron Corp]

planned obsolescence = $$$$$$$$$$$

Time to install linux.

[schwellmo92]

Because your hardware is really old and they only support hardware for X years.

[Mello]

A good reason not to buy from Apple

[Pasi123]

Apple doesn't care about anything else than money.

[jj9987]

2 minutes ago, schwellmo92 said:

Because your hardware is really old and they only support hardware for X years.

Plus at one point, older hardware does not have the features that newer technologies require, which make your experience better, smoother, faster, more enjoyable.

You really expect support for 7 years old machine?

 

Also, High Sierra isn't EOL. I'm pretty sure it will still receive security updates, as Apple has been giving security updates to earlier versions of their macOS too.

[Ashleyyyy]

2 minutes ago, schwellmo92 said:

Because your hardware is really old and they only support hardware for X years.

in geekbench this macbook is faster than a 7200U laptop... the 7200U is 6 years newer than mine. and yet mine is faster.

 

7 minutes ago, Supportsneedlove said:

When you find yourself asking the question: "Does (Apple, EA, Ubisoft) have a good reason for this shitty thing they did?" 

The answer is no. Or money, but mostly no. 

yeah maybe...

 

6 minutes ago, GlobalPentahedron Corp said:

planned obsolescence = $$$$$$$$$$$

Time to install linux.

is there an easy way if installing Linux on a system like this? or Windows? i mean technically i think i can use macOS High Sierra until my antivirus software loses support for it so...

 

1 minute ago, Mello said:

A good reason not to buy from Apple

i didn't buy it from Apple directly. i bought it used. but yeah this is the one thing that frustrates me about Apple. older systems losing support for no reason...

[Granular]

I'm far from an Apple fanboy, but I'd say 7 years of support for new OS releases is reasonable.

I'm not familiar with how well/if older versions are supported with security patches after that.

That said, if Apple weren't so far up their own asses about controlling the experience a user gets, they could be offering that support for longer.

 

What this is a good lesson in is that you should use an OS that enables you to patch things yourself. So install Gentoo.

[GlobalPentahedron Corp]

Just now, firelighter487 said:

is there an easy way if installing Linux on a system like this? or Windows? i mean technically i think i can use macOS High Sierra until my antivirus software loses support for it so...

sometimes yes sometimes no. I bet there is a debian wiki article for your model. I had a 2015 macbook air where suspend did not work which meant using linux on it wasnt practical.

[LukeSavenije]

If you are fine with high sierra, go with that. otherwise install linux or windows

[kasugatei]

AFAIK Mojave requires Metal which is not supported on older machines. Metal is used instead of OpenGL and it is a low level API

[Ashleyyyy]

Just now, jj9987 said:

Plus at one point, older hardware does not have the features that newer technologies require, which make your experience better, smoother, faster, more enjoyable.

You really expect support for 7 years old machine?

yes i do. i can install Windows 10 on systems that are much odler than this, and it will run okay. with Linux you get support for even older systems.

 

and remember my system is a quad core sandy bridge i7. in geekbench it scores higher on multi core than a 7200U...

 

2 minutes ago, jj9987 said:

Also, High Sierra isn't EOL. I'm pretty sure it will still receive security updates, as Apple has been giving security updates to earlier versions of their macOS too.

 

do you know when High Sierra will be EOL?

 

2 minutes ago, Pasi123 said:

Apple doesn't care about anything else than money.

their excellent support on for older iPhones would say otherwise. iOS 12 supports phones that were made in 2013.

 

2 minutes ago, Granular said:

I'm far from an Apple fanboy, but I'd say 7 years of support for new OS releases is reasonable.

i don't think so.. i've ran Windows 10 on decent systems from 2008 and it ran fine. Linux runs even better on older hardware. you'd think that because Apple makes the hardware and the OS they coulld optimize it in a way that would make older systems feel snappy. i have no complaints about the performance of my macbook so...

 

2 minutes ago, GlobalPentahedron Corp said:

sometimes yes sometimes no. I bet there is a debian wiki article for your model. I had a 2015 macbook air where suspend did not work which meant using linux on it wasnt practical.

yeah i really need suspend. i might just dual boot it with Windows and go with that.

 

2 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

If you are fine with high sierra, go with that. otherwise install linux or windows

i'm fine with high sierra for now, but when it starts losing support and security updates i need to find a good alternative.

 

1 minute ago, Niksa said:

AFAIK Mojave requires Metal which is not supported on older machines. Metal is used instead of OpenGL and it is a low level API

so that has to do with the gpu then? but isn't metal a thing on high sierra too? or not as much?

[Mello]

The good reason is that they know Apple fanboys won't complain, they would just buy a new one.

And it gives a more reason for fanboys to buy the new ones instead of complaining or buying from another reasonable company.

[kasugatei]

Just now, firelighter487 said:

so that has to do with the gpu then? but isn't metal a thing on high sierra too? or not as much?

In Mojave OpenGL is completely deprecated. Not sure what was going in High Sierra (probably using both of them simultaneously)

[comicsansms]

Look at apple's laptop support history. They only support their laptops' for about 6 or 7 years. This is normal. Consumer grade devices, such as ASUS's HP's, Dell's, Lenovos will only get support for about a year after release. The only difference with apple is, they make the OS, not just the machines.

 

I am still pissy that my Elitebook 8470P that was made in 2013, the GPU ended support in 2016. Not much I could do about it. Just AMD being shitty - HP still makes bios updates for it, and supports all the hardware as best they can.

[LukeSavenije]

3 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

do you know when High Sierra will be EOL?

in about 2 years

[LukeSavenije]

edit, sorry wrong topic

[FastRDust]

11 minutes ago, Granular said:

I'm far from an Apple fanboy, but I'd say 7 years of support for new OS releases is reasonable.

I'm not familiar with how well/if older versions are supported with security patches after that.

That said, if Apple weren't so far up their own asses about controlling the experience a user gets, they could be offering that support for longer.

 

What this is a good lesson in is that you should use an OS that enables you to patch things yourself. So install Gentoo.

If you build your own computer you'll have 3 years support /warranty on you hardware max

[Granular]

5 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

their excellent support on for older iPhones would say otherwise. iOS 12 supports phones that were made in 2013.

So, the newest iOS supports phones from 2013, while the newest MacOS supports computers from 2012.

And iOS is a different story. Apple are incentivized to keep iOS devices operational as long as possible because they have a monopoly on software distribution for them.

[Ashleyyyy]

1 minute ago, Mello said:

The good reason is that they know Apple fanboys won't complain, they would just buy a new one.

yeah maybe. i don't really see a reason to. i'm very happy with the performance of this system so...

 

2 minutes ago, Mello said:

And it gives a more reason for fanboys to buy the new ones instead of complaining or buying from another reasonable company.

i'm not a fanboy at all. i bought this system because i got a good deal on it used.

 

2 minutes ago, Niksa said:

In Mojave OpenGL is completely deprecated. Not sure what was going in High Sierra (probably using both of them simultaneously)

probably still using opengl for the desktop experience in High Sierra.. but then the question i have is do you need the metal api for desktop animations...?

 

2 minutes ago, Comic_Sans_MS said:

Look at apple's laptop support history. They only support their laptops' for about 6 or 7 years. This is normal. Consumer grade devices, such as ASUS's HP's, Dell's, Lenovos will only get support for about a year after release. The only difference with apple is, they make the OS, not just the machines.

the difference there is i can install Windows 10 on a laptop from 2006 and be pretty sure everything will work fine. apart from a few driver issues that are usually quite easy to fix.

 

3 minutes ago, Comic_Sans_MS said:

I am still pissy that my Elitebook 8470P that was made in 2013, the GPU ended support in 2016. Not much I could do about it. Just AMD being shitty - HP still makes bios updates for it, and supports all the hardware as best they can.

but it still works fine on Windows 10 right?

 

3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

in about 2 years

ah okay. that's good news. by then i'll probably have replaced it.

 

1 minute ago, FastRDust said:

If you build your own computer you'll have 3 years support /warranty on you hardware max

but longer OS support. Windows 10 runs on much older hardware than macOS does.

[Ashleyyyy]

3 minutes ago, Granular said:

So, the newest iOS supports phones from 2013, while the newest MacOS supports computers from 2012.

And iOS is a different story. Apple are incentivized to keep iOS devices operational as long as possible because they have a monopoly on software distribution for them.

okay sure, but computers and phones are very different. my macbook in multi-core benchmarks outperforms a 7200U... because intel haven't made a lot of progress in making cpu's faster older systems like mine are stll very usable.

[FastRDust]

1 minute ago, firelighter487 said:

but longer OS support. Windows 10 runs on much older hardware than macOS does.

yeah but Apple would still support your hardware after the 3 year warranty period OS does not really matter.

and yeah, windows 10 does run on older hardware but i would not call it support older hardware, the drivers aren't made by Microsoft.

so as long aas the hardware manufacturer supports their own products with drivers it can be used indefinitely.

 

Support is done by drivers, if you have old hardware that do not have Drivers for windows 10 then it wil not work properly ( or compatibility mode which isn't perfect of course).

[FastRDust]

4 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

okay sure, but computers and phones are very different. my macbook in multi-core benchmarks outperforms a 7200U... because intel haven't made a lot of progress in making cpu's faster older systems like mine are stll very usable.

Also that 7200U is a dual core with hyperthreads for power efficiency reasons, given that i would rather have a real quad core instead which the older models have, not to mention the matured support by software developers.

 

but that is always the case.

[Ashleyyyy]

1 minute ago, FastRDust said:

Also that 7200U is a dual core with hyperthreads for power efficiency reasons, given that i would rather have a real quad core instead which the older models have, not to mention the matured support by software developers.

 

but that is always the case.

fine, but my macbook is still faster. so the argument of it's old and slow doesn't apply here.