1050ti - i3 8100 low gpu usage cpu 100%

[Deyvid]

So I had the i5 3470 and the gtx 1050ti msi gaming X and 16gb ram.

Started to get some stuttering and high cpu usage on default graphics settings mostly very high.
Usually 60FPS all the time, temps are normal.. oonly gpu usage is lower than usual and because of the 100% cpu usage i got the stuttering and a few fps drops.

Switch my MOBO CPU and RAM to the i3 8100 and 8gb RAM and the issues persists.Ive seen videos on youtube about the setup and it runs GTA V very nice.
This is what I got. FPS is lower because was recording it with the msi afterburner.

Hopefully can get it fixed.

 

 

 

https://ibb.co/eDx9up

https://ibb.co/h3saZp

Here are the results:

3d mark: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/28552492?

comparing results: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/16348378/fs/14395606/fs/16305612/fs/14419105

log link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1w8R7yBApEXYTBMJyzbnzBbd1bM0-YXN_

GTA V LOG : https://drive.google.com/file/d/17Cc9sOome2pIwgaA2MHS2BY1CG0T2InA/view?usp=sharing


HWinfo prints:

https://ibb.co/fGMT5U

https://ibb.co/cYneC9

https://ibb.co/jeNUC9

https://ibb.co/bDOEep

https://ibb.co/e5md5U

 

[Tristerin]

The I3 8100 isn't a good gaming CPU its very comparable to the i5 you replaced.

 

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-3470-vs-Intel-Core-i3-8100/2771vs3942

[Deyvid]

3 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

The I3 8100 isn't a good gaming CPU its very comparable to the i5 you replaced.

 

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-3470-vs-Intel-Core-i3-8100/2771vs3942

I know. but it should run just fine as in youtube videos with the exact same config.

[Tristerin]

1 minute ago, Deyvid said:

I know. but it should run just fine as in youtube videos with the exact same config.

Im at work so cant go to links etc - is the processor thermal throttling perhaps (when built did the entire chip get covered)? What resolution? 

[Fasauceome]

are you sure the settings are the same? try turning graphics quality up, conventional wisdom would say that decreases load on CPU

[Spotty]

23 minutes ago, Deyvid said:

https://ibb.co/fGMT5U

Your CPU cores are at 110°C. It's thermal throttling which is causing your poor performance. No idea why the CPU package is reading so low yet the cores so high. Try updating to the latest motherboard BIOS to see if it fixes what is potentially an error in reading the temperature sensors.

Remount the CPU cooler and clean off the old thermal paste and apply new paste. What cooler are you using? Stock Intel? Is the fan plugged in to the motherboard?

 

 

Edit: Maybe not... In the other screenshot it lists the CPU Cores and the temperatures are normal there. It's also not reporting that it is thermal throttling
https://ibb.co/jeNUC9

 

So what the hell is the motherboard reporting as Temp 2, Temp 3, Temp 4, Temp 5 that is running at 110°C?

Edited September 18, 2018 by Spotty

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Spotty said:

Your CPU cores are at 110°C. It's thermal throttling which is causing your poor performance. No idea why the CPU package is reading so low yet the cores so high.

Remount the CPU cooler and clean off the old thermal paste and apply new paste. What cooler are you using? Stock Intel? Is the fan plugged in to the motherboard?

Ideally the boot sequence would have given  CPU fan error warning if it wasn't plugged in. Any motherboard manufacturers that exclude that?

[Spotty]

Just now, fasauceome said:

Ideally the boot sequence would have given  CPU fan error warning if it wasn't plugged in. Any motherboard manufacturers that exclude that?

You are correct, most motherboards won't POST if there isn't *A* fan plugged in to the CPU_FAN socket... But that doesn't mean that they didn't plug a case fan in to the CPU_FAN and the motherboard is thinking everything is fine and dandy. It can also be set in the BIOS to ignore the warning.

[Tristerin]

11 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Im at work so cant go to links etc - is the processor thermal throttling perhaps (when built did the entire chip get covered)? What resolution? 

 

Well hot (pun intended) dam I got it right lol - reseat and re-thermalpaste your processor (unless the CPU fan is bunk at that point you should redo the thermal paste anyway if you are replacing a fan)

[Deyvid]

6 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Your CPU cores are at 110°C. It's thermal throttling which is causing your poor performance. No idea why the CPU package is reading so low yet the cores so high. Try updating to the latest motherboard BIOS to see if it fixes what is potentially an error in reading the temperature sensors.

Remount the CPU cooler and clean off the old thermal paste and apply new paste. What cooler are you using? Stock Intel? Is the fan plugged in to the motherboard?

i have an old tx3 evo. probably thats the issue. i switched everything else but the cooler.

[Deyvid]

12 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

are you sure the settings are the same? try turning graphics quality up, conventional wisdom would say that decreases load on CPU

default graphics or low graphics cpu still 100% usage.,

[Fasauceome]

1 minute ago, Deyvid said:

i have an old tx3 evo. probably thats the issue. i switched everything else but the cooler.

Well the tx3 Evo should be better than stock Intel, maybe the fan is fubar

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Deyvid said:

default graphics or low graphics cpu still 100% usage.,

Put graphics higher instead

[Spotty]

1 minute ago, Deyvid said:

i have an old tx3 evo. probably thats the issue. i switched everything else but the cooler.

I've edited my post, maybe it isn't CPU throttling...

You can see in this image the CPU cores are reporting normal temperatures and are not reporting they are thermal throttling. I think I misread the first image as Temp2, Temp3, Temp4, Temp5 being the CPU core temps when they are not.
https://ibb.co/jeNUC9
 

Any idea what Temp2, Temp3, Temp4, Temp5 are reporting the temperatures for?

[Deyvid]

3 minutes ago, Spotty said:

I've edited my post, maybe it isn't CPU throttling...

You can see in this image the CPU cores are reporting normal temperatures and are not reporting they are thermal throttling. I think I misread the first image as Temp2, Temp3, Temp4, Temp5 being the CPU core temps when they are not.
https://ibb.co/jeNUC9
 

Any idea what Temp2, Temp3, Temp4, Temp5 are reporting the temperatures for?

no i dont, wil check on

[Deyvid]

8 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

 

Well hot (pun intended) dam I got it right lol - reseat and re-thermalpaste your processor (unless the CPU fan is bunk at that point you should redo the thermal paste anyway if you are replacing a fan)

I have done that a couple time... I thinking that may be tha cooler bracket, i might had pushed a little too hard.. but temps are fine. is driving me nuts for over a month trying to figure it out.

[Tristerin]

Could it be the HDD?  How old is your hard drive, if its migrated from a 2012 system (i5 3470) it may be older than that - do you have another PC to test the HDD in? 

 

For other forum people - Im pretty sure he can just monitor this with Windows disc usage?  Im just a shadetree PC builder

[Deyvid]

9 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Could it be the HDD?  How old is your hard drive, if its migrated from a 2012 system (i5 3470) it may be older than that - do you have another PC to test the HDD in? 

 

For other forum people - Im pretty sure he can just monitor this with Windows disc usage?  Im just a shadetree PC builder

could be my ssd.. where the windows is on. I switched the game to ssd and the problem persisted. switched back to the HDD and the other one after.I heard that defragging ssd its not a good idea.

[Tristerin]

35 minutes ago, Deyvid said:

could be my ssd.. where the windows is on. I switched the game to ssd and the problem persisted. switched back to the HDD and the other one after.I heard that defragging ssd its not a good idea.

Im not sure of a better way but see if you can use the mechanical drive portioned to windows and boot up from it, or start fresh on the HDD

 

I do know that issues with a HDD/SSD can cause CPU usage to spike to 100% - theres lots of posts on it

 

And correct its not good to defrag an SSD, it doesn't do anything for it tbh, but a defrag wont kill it per say just add more miles to it.

[Spotty]

1 hour ago, Deyvid said:

So I had the i5 3470 and the gtx 1050ti msi gaming X and 16gb ram.

Started to get some stuttering and high cpu usage on default graphics settings mostly very high.
Usually 60FPS all the time, temps are normal.. oonly gpu usage is lower than usual and because of the 100% cpu usage i got the stuttering and a few fps drops.

Switch my MOBO CPU and RAM to the i3 8100 and 8gb RAM and the issues persists.

So you were having issues on your old system, replaced the CPU+Mobo+RAM, and the same issues persisted on the new system?

 

Is that Very High graphics settings at 1920x1080 resolution?

Run the GTA V in game benchmark at Very High settings, then run the test again in Very Low graphics settings. Paste the log results for the benchmark (My Documents > Rockstar Games > GTA V > Benchmarks). Also if you can take a screenshot while the tests are running to show the CPU & GPU usage with the MSI Afterburner overlay.

 

Just to clarify, does MSI Afterburner normally report being stuck at 100% CPU usage in game when you're not recording? Just wondering if it's stuck at 100% just because you're recording or if that is how it normally is when you play?

Also. it does appear in the video and the GTA log file that you may be starting to hit in to the pagefile as you run out of RAM, which could explain some of the stutters you're noticing.

 

 

22 minutes ago, Spotty said:

So what the hell is the motherboard reporting as Temp 2, Temp 3, Temp 4, Temp 5 that is running at 110°C?

https://ibb.co/fGMT5U

Is it possible these are the motherboard VRM temperatures being reported? Would explain Temp2, Temp3, Temp4, Temp5 and Temp9 reading up to 110°C, which isn't surprising given the board design and lack of VRM cooling.

I honestly don't know what those sensors are that the motherboard is reporting though, this is all I could think of that could match up to the sensor readings. Even if it is the VRMs, I'm not sure how exactly that is going to impact performance since the CPU is still reporting running at 3.6GHz. I'm just thinking out aloud here. Going to need someone smarter than me to figure this one out. If anyone knows what it is, please quote or tag me because I'm curious.

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[Deyvid]

25 minutes ago, Spotty said:

So you were having issues on your old system, replaced the CPU+Mobo+RAM, and the same issues persisted on the new system?

 

Is that Very High graphics settings at 1920x1080 resolution?

Run the GTA V in game benchmark at Very High settings, then run the test again in Very Low graphics settings. Paste the log results for the benchmark (My Documents > Rockstar Games > GTA V > Benchmarks). Also if you can take a screenshot while the tests are running to show the CPU & GPU usage with the MSI Afterburner overlay.

 

Just to clarify, does MSI Afterburner normally report being stuck at 100% CPU usage in game when you're not recording? Just wondering if it's stuck at 100% just because you're recording or if that is how it normally is when you play?

Also. it does appear in the video and the GTA log file that you may be starting to hit in to the pagefile as you run out of RAM, which could explain some of the stutters you're noticing.

 

 

https://ibb.co/fGMT5U

Is it possible these are the motherboard VRM temperatures being reported? Would explain Temp2, Temp3, Temp4, Temp5 and Temp9 reading up to 110°C, which isn't surprising given the board design and lack of VRM cooling.

I honestly don't know what those sensors are that the motherboard is reporting though, this is all I could think of that could match up to the sensor readings. Even if it is the VRMs, I'm not sure how exactly that is going to impact performance since the CPU is still reporting running at 3.6GHz. I'm just thinking out aloud here. Going to need someone smarter than me to figure this one out. If anyone knows what it is, please quote or tag me because I'm curious.

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Im at work .. will be checkin those temps when get home. Thanks for the effort.

[Deyvid]

On 18/09/2018 at 4:15 PM, Spotty said:

So you were having issues on your old system, replaced the CPU+Mobo+RAM, and the same issues persisted on the new system?

YES

 

Is that Very High graphics settings at 1920x1080 resolution? YES

Run the GTA V in game benchmark at Very High settings, then run the test again in Very Low graphics settings. Paste the log results for the benchmark (My Documents > Rockstar Games > GTA V > Benchmarks). Also if you can take a screenshot while the tests are running to show the CPU & GPU usage with the MSI Afterburner overlay.

 

Just to clarify, does MSI Afterburner normally report being stuck at 100% CPU usage in game when you're not recording? Just wondering if it's stuck at 100% just because you're recording or if that is how it normally is when you play? 

99% OF THE TIME STUCK IN 100% USAGE

Also. it does appear in the video and the GTA log file that you may be starting to hit in to the pagefile as you run out of RAM, which could explain some of the stutters you're noticing.

 

 

https://ibb.co/fGMT5U

Is it possible these are the motherboard VRM temperatures being reported? Would explain Temp2, Temp3, Temp4, Temp5 and Temp9 reading up to 110°C, which isn't surprising given the board design and lack of VRM cooling.

I honestly don't know what those sensors are that the motherboard is reporting though, this is all I could think of that could match up to the sensor readings. Even if it is the VRMs, I'm not sure how exactly that is going to impact performance since the CPU is still reporting running at 3.6GHz. I'm just thinking out aloud here. Going to need someone smarter than me to figure this one out. If anyone knows what it is, please quote or tag me because I'm curious.

 

I COULDN´T FIGURE OUT WHAT THOSE TEMPS ARE. - CHECK IT OUT... 

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-H310M-E/

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On 18/09/2018 at 4:15 PM, Spotty said:

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[Spotty]

@Deyvid have run run a virus scan? High CPU usage can be caused by a virus on your system. Download and run malware bytes anti malware and do a full scan to see if there are any viruses that might be slowing your system down.

[Deyvid]

42 minutes ago, Spotty said:

@Deyvid have run run a virus scan? High CPU usage can be caused by a virus on your system. Download and run malware bytes anti malware and do a full scan to see if there are any viruses that might be slowing your system down.

I have done all that too.

=(

 

[Deyvid]

So I ended up selling my cpu and gpu to a friend and bought a gtx 1060 6gb and i5 8500..it runs great.

My question is, does the GPU has to ben on 99% most of the time? My msi afterburner shows that my GPU is around 75% and CPU 50%...usually more gpu usage than CPU wich is better than me earlier setup.