i5 or i7

[tautvydas]

hello

 

so i'm planning to upgrade in the coming months and i was pretty much set on getting i5-8500 because for 200 euros seems like a good deal

 

was planning on getting a cheap Z370 board anyway

but now i started to wonder if maybe i should add extra 100 and get an i7-8700 (non k i don't need to overclock) mostly because in all benchmarks i watched, i5's are mostly in use 90-100% , and that made me think how long will it last before it will wont be able to handle (also more smaller programs like AV and stuff so it adds up slowly)

 

i know i7's are mostly for streamers and content creators, but i feel like i'm a bit multitasker , because i must run few monitoring software, some voice chat program and usually a browser for music/video and gaming at the same time

i dont think i will be using and browser or voice chat when playing an singleplayer AAA title to emerse myself.

 

also my other concern is how long the cpu will last , because iv seen people use i7's that are from 2-3th gen and they still perform fairly well compared to newer i5's all because of that multithreading ?

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2bfrmq

this is my current plan so i would only be chaning the CPU (unless i7 run way hotter than i expect and i dont want to use water cooler)

[wojtepanik]

if you dont want k version get b360, best option, I use 1gen i7, for cs go and pubg works good, get i7 with b360 and have it for next 5 years, for you usage it will be enough

[wojtepanik]

[tautvydas]

2 minutes ago, wojtepanik said:

yeah i'm not sure what i'm supposed to make of this , you just changed mb and cpu , i was kinda looking for more explanation to see if its worth it that 100 euros or not in the longrun

edit: nvm just realised that youre the same person as above

Edited July 25, 2018 by tautvydas

[wojtepanik]

3 minutes ago, tautvydas said:

yeah i'm not sure what i'm supposed to make of this , you just changed mb and cpu , i was kinda looking for more explanation to see if its worth it that 100 euros or not in the longrun

edit: nvm just realised that youre the same person as above

and changed the ssd to nvme which is more expensive a little bit, but worth it

[tautvydas]

3 minutes ago, wojtepanik said:

and changed the ssd to nvme which is more expensive a little bit, but worth it

yeah i dont feel like its worth it , upgrading from HDD to SSD is a no brainer , but sata3 is enough , i dont feel like spending extra 50 euros for 1 second less load times while reads and writes are only really needed if u work with video editing and stuff like that

[NelizMastr]

Z370 makes no sense if you're not overclocking. It's the chipset with the least features, believe it or not. You're fine with a H370 or B360 board when using locked chips.

 

Also, wow that's one overpriced GTX1060. I bought my 1070Ti for just 60 more, lol.

[JoostinOnline]

5 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

Z370 makes no sense if you're not overclocking. It's the chipset with the least features, believe it or not.

What are you talking about?

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3268063/components-processors/intel-motherboard-z370-vs-h370-vs-b360-vs-h310-8th-gen-cpu.html

22 minutes ago, wojtepanik said:

and changed the ssd to nvme which is more expensive a little bit, but worth it

Not really. For a boot drive you won't get any extra performance from an NVMe one.

[wojtepanik]

17 minutes ago, tautvydas said:

yeah i dont feel like its worth it , upgrading from HDD to SSD is a no brainer , but sata3 is enough , i dont feel like spending extra 50 euros for 1 second less load times while reads and writes are only really needed if u work with video editing and stuff like that

then get h310 and 8400 and dont bother in high end

[NelizMastr]

3 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

What are you talking about?

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3268063/components-processors/intel-motherboard-z370-vs-h370-vs-b360-vs-h310-8th-gen-cpu.html

Z370 doesn't even support USB 3.1 g2, and all the other benefits are pretty much omitted by using a locked processor. You basically get 4 more PCIe lanes and that's about it.

[wojtepanik]

2 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

What are you talking about?

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3268063/components-processors/intel-motherboard-z370-vs-h370-vs-b360-vs-h310-8th-gen-cpu.html

Not really. For a boot drive you won't get any extra performance from an NVMe one.

I don't mean faster booting, overall responsivnes improoves

[AlfaProto]

I would still pick a Z370 board, despite having a locked chip. One of the reason is the build quality, and features (TB3, dual LAN, etc), which you cannot find on a H370 or lower chipset. I would also upgrade the i5-8500 to i7-8700.

 

If you planning on a RAID volume, go for the H370, anything lower isn't supported. 

[JoostinOnline]

Just now, wojtepanik said:

I don't mean faster booting, overall responsivnes improoves

It doesn't matter.  System responsiveness is affected by how fast it reads small files, and an NVMe drive isn't any faster in that respect.

[AlfaProto]

2 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

Z370 doesn't even support USB 3.1 g2, and all the other benefits are pretty much omitted by using a locked processor. You basically get 4 more PCIe lanes and that's about it.

That's because Z370 was the only chip to be released. The rest Q-H-B, were released on 2018.

 

Unless one is using a lot of expansion cards (excluding GPU), the high count PCIE lanes on the PCH really helps.

[NelizMastr]

1 minute ago, AlfaProto said:

That's because Z370 was the only chip to be released. The rest Q-H-B, were released on 2018.

 

Unless one is using a lot of expansion cards (excluding GPU), the high count PCIE lanes on the PCH really helps.

I am aware of this, yes. But judging from the original post, I don't see anything that would properly warrant going with a more expensive board, so money can be saved by going with a newer and cheaper board.

[AlfaProto]

Just now, NelizMastr said:

I am aware of this, yes. But judging from the original post, I don't see anything that would properly warrant going with a more expensive board, so money can be saved by going with a newer and cheaper board.

Well, his scenario is just multi-tasking and gaming. I doubt TB3, dual LAN, etc, he needs it. That's the problem with lower tier chipset. Why can't one manufacturer released the same feature set board but on a different chipset? This wasn't an issue on Sandy/Ivy Bridge era, only after that.

 

There are some non-Z chipsets boards, which doesn't have dual BIOS or DIP BIOS chip, surge protection USB, etc.

[nick name]

Buildzoid has a nice rant describing how he considers all boards under $150 to be low-end. He goes on to explain it's because they all use the same crappy VRM and almost identical PCB and layouts. They basically just remove certain cosmetic pieces from the boards on the lower ends. 

 

If you decide to stay i5 and aren't going to overclock that i5 then save money on the motherboard as well by finding one with features you know you will use. And you won't notice a difference with a NVMe drive. I have both in my system. 

 

And my father is still using a 3rd gen i3. The chips are gonna last -- it's the HDD or SSD that you have to worry about. Or just obsolescence.  

[wojtepanik]

 

[cj09beira]

17 minutes ago, nick name said:

Buildzoid has a nice rant describing how he considers all boards under $150 to be low-end. He goes on to explain it's because they all use the same crappy VRM and almost identical PCB and layouts. They basically just remove certain cosmetic pieces from the boards on the lower ends. 

 

If you decide to stay i5 and aren't going to overclock that i5 then save money on the motherboard as well by finding one with features you know you will use. And you won't notice a difference with a NVMe drive. I have both in my system. 

 

And my father is still using a 3rd gen i3. The chips are gonna last -- it's the HDD or SSD that you have to worry about. Or just obsolescence.  

no the chips wont last, not for those of us that do more than one thing at a time, with my current pc i cant even have a youtube window open on the side without my cpu going to 100% and everything becoming a stutter mess, cant wait to get my hands on a 2700x

[wojtepanik]

2 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

no the chips wont last, not for those of us that do more than one thing at a time, with my current pc i cant even have a youtube window open on the side without my cpu going to 100% and everything becoming a stutter mess, cant wait to get my hands on a 2700x

and according to your profile you have  i5 4690k @4.7Ghz ?

[JoostinOnline]

40 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

Z370 doesn't even support USB 3.1 g2, and all the other benefits are pretty much omitted by using a locked processor. You basically get 4 more PCIe lanes and that's about it.

It's missing one feature and has everything else. Your statement that it has the fewest features is bullshit.

19 minutes ago, wojtepanik said:

 

Unrealistic tests for representing day to day tasks, and he compared a low end SATA to a high end NVMe. I wouldn't recommend the MX300. He also agrees it's not worth the cost.

[wojtepanik]

9 minutes ago, wojtepanik said:

and according to your profile you have  i5 4690k @4.7Ghz ?

so something wrong is with your system, 4690k is decent cpu and either you have crappy cpu or you are overreacting

[NelizMastr]

2 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

It's missing one feature and has everything else. Your statement that it has the fewest features is bullshit.

Point taken. No need to use profanity here. Still pointless to get Z370, though. 

[cj09beira]

30 minutes ago, wojtepanik said:

so something wrong is with your system, 4690k is decent cpu and either you have crappy cpu or you are overreacting

not good enough for gaming+ youtube, just playing most games it gets to 90% add youtube and a some tabs in the second screen and it can't keep up anymore 

[wojtepanik]

I play pubg on ultra with some options lowered for better visibilty, in 45-60 fps with gtx970 and i7 920 an 3.6ghz, I have youtube/netflix, facebook msgr app and sometimes teamviewer and it works on 70% load, your system is crap man