my first pc

[vin-100]

i'm starting to build my first Pc and i would like to have tips and suggestion as to what to use or not use

 

here is my list
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/Vin100/saved/qvgNNG

 

my goal is either

1080p 144Hz 1ms

OR

1440p 144Hz (1-4)ms

G-sync in any case
i'm more inclined towards the later

 

should i water cool the CPU ?
what fans do you suggest i'm looking for Noctua since i'm not a huge fan... pun intended.. of RGB 
is my CPU/GPU is reasonable or should i upgrade ?
and lastly what monitor should i buy ? i'm looking for a ROG swift 27inch

 

[jiyeon]

It's a nice build, I love your memory and PSU choices. Why both an M.2 and an SSD? Not that there's anything wrong about it, it's the first time I've seen someone do that setup.

 

3 minutes ago, vin-100 said:

1. should i water cool the CPU ?
2. what fans do you suggest i'm looking for Noctua since i'm not a huge fan... pun intended.. of RGB 
3. is my CPU/GPU is reasonable or should i upgrade ?

1. No, it's your first build. You probably don't have the building experience right off the bat to build a custom loop.

2. Noctua fans are generally regarded as the best in the business, but other fans you could look at are the Corsair LL fans which are also RGB.

3. 8600K + GTX 1080 is fine, you could probably move up to an 8700K given your budget if you wanted to.

[AngryBeaver]

TBH, I would drop some of the SSD capacity on the m.2. Maybe go with a 512 for a big cut in price, toss in a 2tb 7200 rpm drive for a little more space then use the savings on upgrading the cpu to a 8700k.

 

In today's world the hyperthreading is worth it.

[jeffmeyer5295]

2 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

TBH, I would drop some of the SSD capacity on the m.2. Maybe go with a 512 for a big cut in price, toss in a 2tb 7200 rpm drive for a little more space then use the savings on upgrading the cpu to a 8700k.

 

In today's world the hyperthreading is worth it.

Yeah I totally support this. 2500 bucks on a machine with just an i5 seems silly to me(no real reason for it and its fine if that's all you need). But either dropping the SSD capacity and getting the i7 or just pony up the extra few bucks(in comparison to your budget) and get the i7-8700k. 2 more cores and 4 more threads will make this machine last a lot longer in terms of falling behind in speed for programs, etc.

 

Good luck!

[vin-100]

the pc will mainly be for gaming and day to day task. i'm not planing on streaming nor video editing.

maybe i'm just unaware of what multithreading is and do so why the 8700k is preferred ?

 

4 minutes ago, seoz said:

Why both an M.2 and an SSD? Not that there's anything wrong about it, it's the first time I've seen someone do that setup.

my idea behind this is to have all my program (windows, music, photo and such) on the SSD and all my games on the M.2 
or is it overkill ?

 

and i'm scared of not having enough room on a 500Gb M.2

[Crunchy Dragon]

9 minutes ago, seoz said:

1. No, it's your first build. You probably don't have the building experience right off the bat to build a custom loop.

2. Noctua fans are generally regarded as the best in the business, but other fans you could look at are the Corsair LL fans which are also RGB.

1. AIO coolers are a thing.

2. No argument here, but Noctua's fans are really ugly.

[jiyeon]

3 minutes ago, vin-100 said:

my idea behind this is to have all my program (windows, music, photo and such) on the SSD and all my games on the M.2 

It should probably be the other way around. M.2 for files and SSD for games.

[jiyeon]

1 minute ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

1. AIO coolers are a thing.

2. No argument here, but Noctua's fans are really ugly.

I thought that, but when I read "water cooling" I rarely think of an AIO.  But yes, Noctua fans are ugly, even if they are quite good at cooling.

[Streetguru]

21 minutes ago, vin-100 said:

 

Why are you buying 1TB of NVME storage?

 

Either get an i7 8700 non K, or just save some cash with the R5 2600

 

get a 1070ti over the 1080

Get a free-sync display over a G-sync equivalent, saves like $300

Can use StoreMI to have a good amount of "fast" storage.
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/rbvrmq
Price breakdown by merchant: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/rbvrmq/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($244.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($192.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($125.75 @ shopRBC)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($72.75 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Video Card  ($619.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Monitor: Acer - XB271HU bmiprz 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor  ($795.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Monitor: Pixio - PX277-N 27.0" 2560x1440 144Hz Monitor  ($509.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $2932.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-24 13:27 EDT-0400
 

 

[vin-100]

2 minutes ago, seoz said:

It should probably be the other way around. M.2 for files and SSD for games.

 

how come ? i want my games to load quick and i don't wanna see long loading screen so i was thinking games on a M.2 should do that or maybe i'm wrong and it's the ram's job ?

 

and as for photos and windows i don't really care about speed

[AngryBeaver]

1 minute ago, vin-100 said:

the pc will mainly be for gaming and day to day task. i'm not planing on streaming nor video editing.

maybe i'm just unaware of what multithreading is and do so why the 8700k is preferred ?

 

my idea behind this is to have all my program (windows, music, photo and such) on the SSD and all my games on the M.2 
or is it overkill ?

 

and i'm scared of not having enough room on a 500Gb M.2

Having all games on the m.2 isn't needed though. Some games it would be very beneficial while others not so much. Yes, the initial load might be a little longer, but after that you won't see a difference.

 

As to why it matters. Hyper-threading lets window break each cpu core into halfs. So instead of seeing 6 procession units, it will see 12. So that means it can better assigned those units to tasks to increase the speed in which things complete. For the newer gen games this can make a noticeable difference (bf1 I am looking at you)

[DocSwag]

NVMe SSDs don't help with boot times and app launch times, so you're better off grabbing a SATA SSD such as the MX500 and spending the money on a better GPU and CPU

[AngryBeaver]

PCPartPicker part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/qPnzkd
Price breakdown by merchant: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/qPnzkd/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($456.95 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($78.99 @ PC-Canada)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($214.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($189.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($103.95 @ shopRBC)
Storage: ADATA - XPG  512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($139.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($72.75 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Video Card  ($679.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: BitFenix - Formula Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $2147.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-24 13:53 EDT-0400

 

This is $300 cheaper.

 

Also tossed in an AIO to reduce need to run low profile memory and give you a little more thermal performance. Changed the motherboard, but you can still go with the other... just you aren't going to see any massive gains from the ROG over the prime.

For the m.2 I went with an Adata, you won't see any real world difference between it and the samsung. Also added a 2tb drive.

Your PSU was overkill so went with a better and more appropriate wattage PSU for your build.

Left the case you chose

 

 

You could also go this route if you just NEED the 1tb m.2

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/gt8GxG
Price breakdown by merchant: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/gt8GxG/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($456.95 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($78.99 @ PC-Canada)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($214.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($189.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($103.95 @ shopRBC)
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8200 960GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($399.99 @ Memory Express)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Video Card  ($679.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: BitFenix - Formula Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $2334.34
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-24 13:58 EDT-0400

Oh and upgraded the CPU to a 8700k.

 

This is abotu $150 cheaper than your build, but with the 8700k and the changes mentioned above

[AngryBeaver]

Lastly you could do this for about a $400 saving.

Just put the OS on the 512gb m.2 with a few of the games you want to have the load advantage... and then use the 1tb ssd for everything else.

Also has the 8700k and AIO

 

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/MYg97W
Price breakdown by merchant: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/MYg97W/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($456.95 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($78.99 @ PC-Canada)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($214.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($189.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: ADATA - XPG  512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($139.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: ADATA - ULTIMATE SU650 960GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($199.99 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Video Card  ($679.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: BitFenix - Formula Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $2170.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-24 14:02 EDT-0400

 

[AskTJ]

Don't bother with the M.2 SSD. Get a SATA one and with the saved money, an 8700K and a 2TB HDD.

[Sernefarian]

21 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

NVMe SSDs don't help with boot times and app launch times, so you're better off grabbing a SATA SSD such as the MX500 and spending the money on a better GPU and CPU

If the SSD uses the Sata 3.0 controller then it's no difference between M.2 and 2.5" top tier 2.5" drives are the 860 Evo and the MX500. Once you get to the NVMe standard you DO get much snappier response on drive performance. Though look for an NVMe with a low seek time in addition to just high read and write speeds. At the lower end of NVMe m2. SSDs some of them have longer seek times than the MX500 which seriously defrays some of their performance gains in comparison to a 2.5" like the 860 Evo.

 

For bench comparison on highest end 2.5" vs one of the top 10 for NVMe M.2:: http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-860-Evo-1TB-vs-Adata-XPG-SX8200-NVMe-PCIe-M2-480GB/m423831vsm482768

Edited July 24, 2018 by Sernefarian
sentence edits for clarity.

[DocSwag]

19 minutes ago, Sernefarian said:

If the SSD uses the Sata 3.0 controller then it's no difference between M.2 and 2.5" top tier 2.5" drives are the 860 Evo and the MX500. Once you get to the NVMe standard you DO get much snappier response on drive performance. Though look for an NVMe with a low seek time in addition to just high read and write speeds. At the lower end of NVMe m2. SSDs some of them have longer seek times than the MX500 which seriously defrays some of their performance gains in comparison to a 2.5" like the 860 Evo.

 

For bench comparison on highest end 2.5" vs one of the top 10 for NVMe M.2:: http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-860-Evo-1TB-vs-Adata-XPG-SX8200-NVMe-PCIe-M2-480GB/m423831vsm482768

I know but the extra speed and better latency of an NVMe SSD doesn't help with boot times and app launch times. It's only if you're doing stuff like large file transfers, using a drive as a scratch disk for video editing, etc. that you might see a difference

 

https://techreport.com/review/30813/samsung-960-pro-2tb-ssd-reviewed/5

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($459.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - R1 Ultimate 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($85.80 @ Newegg Canada Marketplace) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($209.00 @ Amazon Canada) 
Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($194.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($243.29 @ Amazon Canada) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card  ($980.00 @ Amazon Canada) 
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($115.90 @ Amazon Canada) 
Monitor: Asus - ROG Swift PG27VQ 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor  ($1109.36 @ Amazon Canada) 
Total: $3518.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-24 21:10 EDT-0400

[Sernefarian]

6 hours ago, DocSwag said:

I know but the extra speed and better latency of an NVMe SSD doesn't help with boot times and app launch times. It's only if you're doing stuff like large file transfers, using a drive as a scratch disk for video editing, etc. that you might see a difference

 

https://techreport.com/review/30813/samsung-960-pro-2tb-ssd-reviewed/5

Honestly even when there is an advantage with the NVMe solutions currently it's quite small. Perhaps as NVMe matures further we might arrive at a more noticeable advantage. Though at whatever point a newer higher throughput standard supplants SATA 3.0 as the market standard for 3.5 and 2.5 drive things probably change.

 

Aside from large file transfers for most users there is little appreciable difference between the two as things currently stand.

[DocSwag]

51 minutes ago, Sernefarian said:

Honestly even when there is an advantage with the NVMe solutions currently it's quite small. Perhaps as NVMe matures further we might arrive at a more noticeable advantage. Though at whatever point a newer higher throughput standard supplants SATA 3.0 as the market standard for 3.5 and 2.5 drive things probably change.

 

Aside from large file transfers for most users there is little appreciable difference between the two as things currently stand.

My understanding is that at the moment the SSD isn't the bottleneck, hence no increase. All the stuff is more optimized off of HDDs, so you can only throw so much SSD at it before you can't get any faster. Perhaps once we see SSDs become more and more common we'll start seeing faster SSDs make a larger difference.

[vin-100]

ok so i did my research and tweaked some parts 

 

so heres my currents build idea

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/XPn6q4

 

now i'm a bit bugged out since i learned about backlight bleed and IPS glow, any suggestion ?

 

i will also need a keyboard nothing super fancy because i think i'll go with either an Xbox controller 

and mouse and Keypad (Razer Orbweaver)