Broadwell Vs Haswell

[LordGarth6]

Hi guys, iv got a new build planned [i was thinking around jan but dpends on cash issues] and was wondering if it was worth waiting for broadwell at all or is haswell perfectly fine or wait for broadwell and possibly get haswell cheaper?

when is broadwell expected to released and what benefits should it bring?

 

i looked around using the search function and couldnt really find my answer really.

cheers in advance guys

[SSOB]

As always broadwell will be about 10% faster Cpu , 50% faster iGPU ( Which we gamers don't care about sinc everybody is just going to get a discreet GFX card.) and 10-20% lower power consumption. I would say you'll be fine with haswell for at least 3 years.

[Recon-UK]

How much is a crystal ball these days?

[JAKEBAB]

well we don't really know the future but broadwell is suppose to be lower power maybe 10% ipc improvement ddr4 and possible sata express maybe more thunderbolt2 motherboards just all speculation really its suppose to be released like the end of 2014 i think because of the haswell refresh.

[JAKEBAB]

As always broadwell will be about 10% faster Cpu , 50% faster iGPU ( Which we gamers don't care about sinc everybody is just going to get a discreet GFX card.) and 10-20% lower power consumption. I would say you'll be fine with haswell for at least 3 years.

igpu isnt just for gaming look at what amd is doing with hsa for there apus.

[Mansel]

Power consumption, and bit speed but you could just OC.

[SSOB]

igpu isnt just for gaming look at what amd is doing with hsa for there apus.

? Hsa? am i missing something please explain to me 

[JAKEBAB]

? Hsa? am i missing something please explain to me 

igpu and cpu working together on tasks to dramatically improve performance and help with applications that support opencl

 

watch at like 1:30 linus explains a little

[SSOB]

igpu and cpu working together on tasks to dramatically improve performance and help with applications that support opencl

 

watch at like 1:30 linus explains a little

I ain't believing nothing even if it's linus. It's sponsored by AMD you know... so benchmarks first and then i'll believe it.

[JAKEBAB]

I ain't believing nothing even if it's linus. It's sponsored by AMD you know... so benchmarks first and then i'll believe it.

lol really have u not ever used intel quicksync? same concept

[wng_kingsley7]

No specifications have been leaked by Intel. And the processing node has been shrunk down to a 14nanometer process.

Broadwell like Haswell will focus on the architecture being very power efficient will general power usage so if your system is idle it'll drop to around 5watts.

For performance its unknown however the multi-tasking core will be far more acceptional then Haswell.

It will feature Crystalwell technology and Iris/Iris pro IGP which has been on the Macbooks (pros and non pros)

[LordGarth6]

How much is a crystal ball these days?

around a tenner.

well cheers guys for the input its much appreciated, i no its kind of annoying these questions about unreleased products with nothing but rumours around them, but i wanted to make sure there wasnt much missed with what broadwell could be/have. i'll just go with haswell when ever i get the money for my build.

[deathjester]

Hi guys, iv got a new build planned [i was thinking around jan but dpends on cash issues] and was wondering if it was worth waiting for broadwell at all or is haswell perfectly fine or wait for broadwell and possibly get haswell cheaper?

when is broadwell expected to released and what benefits should it bring?

 

i looked around using the search function and couldnt really find my answer really.

cheers in advance guys

 

Cheaper? The Ivy costs as much as a Haswell atm, when you factor in you need a premium z77 cus the vrm isn't on die.

 

A cheap z87 will OC as well as a premium z87 and a Haswell and a cheap z87 is prob the cheapest it has been from Sandy til now, minus needing better cooling then the Sandy.

 

If anything the next chip will cost more for = performance, with them taking off the on die vrm. It will oc just as bad or worse then haswell and require a expensive MB with a crap ton of quality power phases to do it. Die shrink = more heat = worse overclocking. It's just the facts Jack. 

 

The only thing I see worth waiting for is Nvidia's next video series and coin miners to die off. You will save on the GPU's. DD4 ram? Who cares it if uses less volts if it has the same latency. It's not like ram is a power hog. If DDR4 really offered a speed advantage in games, I think we would have seen proof by now. All they want to talk about though is voltage which we could care less about.

 

Add to all this? Low level API's will make a Sandy Bridge at 2ghz overkill since it has faster FPU then a 8350 and the 8350 at 2ghz can handle Mantle.

 

The only benefit I see waiting for Broadwell is lower power consumption and who knows if that will hold true when overclocked. If you aren't OC'ing I guess you could wait for Broadwell. If you do? No point waiting. You could OC a Sandy Bridge and be damn near = to my machine and I did well on  the "silicon lottery". Others? Not so much. The OC Sandy Bridge is faster.

[dizmo]

I've been pondering the same thing for the past couple months, except Ivy-E vs Haswell-E.

You can save some money if you look around, especially if you find someone selling one in the Classifieds. I've seen new in box 4770k's for $200. You can also spend more on the GPU depending on your budget by going with a slightly older card.

 

Battlefield makes use of higher speed RAM (they had a thing on the Corsair site about it), and can make use of 6 cores. If that's the game goddess you pine after the most, it's something to consider. Though DDR4 won't really achieve higher speeds for a while after launch, it would save you from having to upgrade the CPU and motherboard later on. However, it's a ways off.

 

I'm just going to wait. I'm building my system around Star Citizen. I'll see how everything plays out, and select the parts accordingly.

 

What are you running now?
If it's not too old then you can just ride it out.

 

My dad still runs an X3 overclocked to a BE935 (or whatever it's called) and 560ti in one machine, 5850's SLI'd and an older AMD cpu in the other. He has no issues playing at high graphics settings.

Mind you, he mostly plays on a 50" tv.

[deathjester]

I've been pondering the same thing for the past couple months, except Ivy-E vs Haswell-E.

You can save some money if you look around, especially if you find someone selling one in the Classifieds. I've seen new in box 4770k's for $200. You can also spend more on the GPU depending on your budget by going with a slightly older card.

 

Battlefield makes use of higher speed RAM (they had a thing on the Corsair site about it), and can make use of 6 cores. If that's the game goddess you pine after the most, it's something to consider. Though DDR4 won't really achieve higher speeds for a while after launch, it would save you from having to upgrade the CPU and motherboard later on. However, it's a ways off.

 

I'm just going to wait. I'm building my system around Star Citizen. I'll see how everything plays out, and select the parts accordingly.

 

What are you running now?

If it's not too old then you can just ride it out.

 

My dad still runs an X3 overclocked to a BE935 (or whatever it's called) and 560ti in one machine, 5850's SLI'd and an older AMD cpu in the other. He has no issues playing at high graphics settings.

Mind you, he mostly plays on a 50" tv.

 

Star Citizen is gonna be mantle. Go watch that Oxide Mantle demo. The entire demo I was thinking of Star Citizen.

 

When they started Star Citizen a low level API was a pipe dream. I don't think we will need a -E chip when a 8350 that is slower then an I7 Sandy bridge at stock can make 60k calls underclocked at 2ghz at not bottleneck a r9 290x.

[LordGarth6]

What are you running now?

ivy bridge gaming laptop

[martinrox1568]

I ain't believing nothing even if it's linus. It's sponsored by AMD you know... so benchmarks first and then i'll believe it.

Lol. It's not marketing, it's a technology. The GPU has a lot more power than a cpu. In HSA, the CPU would tell the GPU to do all the heavy lifting