Planning a new build, need help ensuring it will be stable

[SilicateWielder]

Hi, so this last school year I had to perform quick upgrades to my rig that have resulted in it becoming progressively more unstable. I'll be getting a job soon, hopefully at a place I was recommended to, and am now in the process of planning a new build. My budget is $1000 though I'm willing to go to $1200 if need be. I'll likely be purchasing parts over the course of a few months and I haven't factored in peripherals and a monitor into my build list. I'd prefer a good upgrade path for my motherboad/processor if possible.

 

I'll be using this computer for gaming, and game development while occasionally streaming.

 

I have two builds here that I've put together on PcPartPicker.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($175.02 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H55 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX B350-I GAMING Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($178.88 @ Amazon)
Storage: Toshiba - OCZ TR200 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($58.65 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB SSC GAMING Video Card  ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Silverstone - Strider Gold 450W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply  ($93.99 @ Amazon)
Other: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv Shift Mini-ITX Tempered Glass Case - Gunmetal Grey  ($113.15 @ Amazon)
Total: $919.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-04 17:55 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($209.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Fractal Design - Celsius S36 87.6 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($131.40 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI - X370 SLI PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($135.32 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot - Viper Elite 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($154.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: ADATA - Premier SP550 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($67.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB SSC GAMING Video Card  ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Inwin - 305 Black ATX Mid Tower Case  ($115.00 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G1+ 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($105.15 @ Amazon)
Total: $1159.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-04 17:56 EDT-0400

 

 

[r2724r16]

Are you planning on gaming on this PC at all? 

 

Things you should change in those systems above:

- Don't buy a 120mm AIO, buy a decent air cooler instead (they generally outperform liquid coolers but are underrated)

- Add in a WD Blue 1T (250GB isn't gonna last you a long time)

- Don't buy a MSI motherboard (just my opinion), buy an Asus one instead. 

[SilicateWielder]

9 minutes ago, Rasbir Singh said:

Are you planning on gaming on this PC at all? 

Definitely, yes. I'm also going to be doing some game development, possibly even streaming while doing so.

 

EDIT: I can definitely go for air cooling with the node 305 however from what I've seen it's difficult to find an air cooler compatible with the Entho Evolv Shift so I'll be sticking with the 120mm AIO if I go down the route

 

I also already have a 1TB WD RE3 drive that I use for mass storage. I can expand my storage later if I need it. I'm just looking to make sure this build is stable

[seon123]

12 minutes ago, SilicateWielder said:

I'll likely be purchasing parts over the course of a few months

Don't do that. New parts and news comes out all the time. You'll just end up with parts you can't use (because you lack crucial parts) and that you can't return, if they're DOA (because you've had it for so long). Warranties also start from the purchase date, so they will also start running out. 

[JoostinOnline]

Swap that CPU to an i5-8400 with an H310/B360 motherboard. You'll get better performance out of it, even without Hyper threading. You can use the stock cooler with that. You'll also want a 6GB 1060. This is a good build:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant  CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor  ($178.89 @ OutletPC)  Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B360M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($89.89 @ B&H)  Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($149.99 @ Newegg)  Storage: Toshiba - OCZ TR200 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($57.89 @ OutletPC)  Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.90 @ OutletPC)  Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GT OCV1 Video Card  ($294.98 @ Newegg)  Power Supply: Silverstone - Strider Gold 450W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply  ($86.99 @ SuperBiiz)  Other: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv Shift Mini-ITX Tempered Glass Case - Gunmetal Grey  ($88.98 @ Newegg)  Total: $991.51 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-04 18:14 EDT-0400

Edit: I don't know why it didn't do separate lines, but just click on the main link.

 

If you think you'll ever want to overclock, change the motherboard to a Z370 one with 4 RAM slots.

[Streetguru]

41 minutes ago, SilicateWielder said:

 I'll likely be purchasing parts over the course of a few months

Horrible way to build a PC unless there's a major sale on something like RAM or an SSD

 

What you'll want to do is just build a Ryzen APU rig, then toss in a next generation GPU if/when they launch in a few months.

Not worth it to get the better APU if you plan on replacing it, price is too high on it.

Do you absolutely need an ITX PC?

You can stream using ReLive on the APU I'm pretty sure.
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LYqspG
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LYqspG/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($94.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($74.39 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($72.00 @ B&H)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($44.66 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $501.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-04 18:42 EDT-0400

 

[SilicateWielder]

16 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Horrible way to build a PC unless there's a major sale on something like RAM or an SSD

 

What you'll want to do is just build a Ryzen APU rig, then toss in a next generation GPU if/when they launch in a few months.

Not worth it to get the better APU if you plan on replacing it, price is too high on it.

Do you absolutely need an ITX PC?

You can stream using ReLive on the APU I'm pretty sure.
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LYqspG
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LYqspG/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($94.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($74.39 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($72.00 @ B&H)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($44.66 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $501.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-04 18:42 EDT-0400

 

Yeah I'm rethinking that idea now.

 

I am considering doing that, though rather than an APU just chuck in my current 1050 as it's been reliable, unlike my processor which seems to getting temperamental as of late. I may opt for the i5-8400 @JoostinOnline suggested. I'm not opposed to intel

 

I have limited desk space and a cat so the Evolv Shift is ideal as it's small and ventilates through the top and bottom, though I can manage if I get a larger system.

[Streetguru]

6 minutes ago, SilicateWielder said:

 

The Q300L is just a neat case and is still fairly compact. With solid airflow.

I can't imagine the evolv shift has any decent cooling potential though...

I'd stick to AM4 for the possibility of a relatively cheap 8 core in the future.

If you already have a 1050 though what's your current CPU?
 

 

[SilicateWielder]

5 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

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It's an AMD A8-7600 APU, chose an APU just in case I had GPU problems which I happened to have. so it worked out.

 

EDIT: Before the 1050, I was using a 1GB R7 240 which died.

[Streetguru]

16 minutes ago, SilicateWielder said:

It's an AMD A8-7600 APU, chose an APU just in case I had GPU problems which I happened to have. so it worked out.

 

EDIT: Before the 1050, I was using a 1GB R7 240 which died.

The APU was probably faster than the R7 240 if you had decent speed dual channel RAM lol

Then ya it's due for a replacement. Probably still want the R3 2200G if you go AM4 to have the iGPU again if needed. Otherwise it'll have better resale value, or make a good secondary PC when it gets replaced.

[SilicateWielder]

Just now, Streetguru said:

The APU was probably faster than the R7 240 if you had decent speed dual channel RAM lol

Then ya it's due for a replacement. Probably still want the R3 2200G if you go AM4 to have the iGPU again if needed. Otherwise it'll have better resale value, or make a good secondary PC when it gets replaced.

There were some growing pains as I went about upgrading hardware over the past few years, lol

 

The only remaining original part for this PC I'm using now is a single 4gb stick of DDR3 which I'm only using so I have 12GB of RAM total.

 

 

[Taf the Ghost]

55 minutes ago, SilicateWielder said:

There were some growing pains as I went about upgrading hardware over the past few years, lol

 

The only remaining original part for this PC I'm using now is a single 4gb stick of DDR3 which I'm only using so I have 12GB of RAM total.

 

 

I'm a big fan of upgrade-path building, simply because, minus Intel's top SKU parts, prices come down and a little patience increases long-term value.

 

That being said, do you have any further uses cases that require all that much? It seems like you could go pretty far down the CPU list for what you actually need right now.

[Streetguru]

1 hour ago, SilicateWielder said:

 

 

23 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

 

Also would be a waste of money to upgrade to a 1060 3GB from a 1050.

Wait for next gen GPUs for sure.

the R3 2200G is likely a "good enough" CPU upgrade for now. Could also look for a cheap R5 1400 or R5 1600 on ebay

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

 

Also would be a waste of money to upgrade to a 1060 3GB from a 1050.

Wait for next gen GPUs for sure.

the R3 2200G is likely a "good enough" CPU upgrade for now. Could also look for a cheap R5 1400 or R5 1600 on ebay

If he has a dGPU, the Ryzen 3 1400 is a good little CPU. 4c/8t and can OC it to 3.7-3.8 Ghz on the included cooler. AMD just had a few too many segments in the first gen Ryzen, so its priced ended up too close to the 1600, which was the Value King.

[SilicateWielder]

11 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

If he has a dGPU, the Ryzen 3 1400 is a good little CPU. 4c/8t and can OC it to 3.7-3.8 Ghz on the included cooler. AMD just had a few too many segments in the first gen Ryzen, so its priced ended up too close to the 1600, which was the Value King.

The Ryzen 3 series has multithreading? I wasn't aware of that,I'll check it out

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, SilicateWielder said:

The Ryzen 3 series has multithreading? I wasn't aware of that,I'll check it out

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16819113437

 

Guess it's the first Ryzen 5 model. My bad.

 

Forgot the Ryzen 3/5 distinction was around SMT. So the Ryzen 3s all lack it, while everything else has it.

[SilicateWielder]

On 6/4/2018 at 8:06 PM, Taf the Ghost said:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16819113437

 

Guess it's the first Ryzen 5 model. My bad.

 

Forgot the Ryzen 3/5 distinction was around SMT. So the Ryzen 3s all lack it, while everything else has it.

Ah okay, it's no biggie. I've got the Ryzen 5 1400 on my parts list now

[LienusLateTips]

14 minutes ago, Alexsolo said:

H80i v2 has very good performance for a 120 rad, it's slightly thicker and has 2 fans. I've built some overclocked systems with it, all pretty good thermally.

The NH D-14 has the same performance