GPU Bottlenecking

[virusnyag]

Hi

I am building a PC for my office:

1. CPU: Intel Core i7-8700K Coffee Lake 3700 MHz s1151 v2
2. Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO (RR-212E-16PK-R1)
3. Motherboard: MSI Z370 ATX s1151 v2 GAMING PLUS
4. RAM: Corsair CMK64GX4M4K3733C17 (4x16 Gb)
5. SSD: Crucial CT1000MX500SSD1 2TB 
6. GPU: GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 750 Ti 1033Mhz PCI-E 3.0 1024Mb 5400Mhz 128 bit 2xDVI 2xHDMI HDCP
7. Case: Corsair Carbide Series 200R Black
8. Power supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650 G1 650W

I do realise that there is going to be the bottlenecking on the part of the graphics card, but the fact is that the computer is going to be used for the text-related software, and will need the graphics card only to support two monitors working simultaneously.

 

I have been having some trouble with the meaning of the bottlenecking. If I am not going to use this PC for any GPU-related software, will the graphics card in any way affect the overall system's performance, or not?

 

Thank you in advance!

[Princess Luna]

It depends a lot on WHAT exactly are you looking into doing?

[virusnyag]

2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

It depends a lot on WHAT exactly are you looking into doing?

Thank you for your reply!

 

I am going to use it mainly for the automated translation and machine learning-related software which is really resource-consuming on the CPU and RAM, but has the requirements for the GPU compared to those of MS Office.

[chckovsky]

7 minutes ago, virusnyag said:

text-related software,

...may I ask why you need a 8700K, 64 GB of ram for a text-related software?

 

EDIT: Ok I just saw your answer.

[virusnyag]

Just now, chckovsky said:

...may I ask why you need a 8700K, 64 GB of ram for a text-related software?

because it is going to be based on the automated translation and machine learning principles which will use lots of local resources.

[chckovsky]

1 minute ago, virusnyag said:

I am going to use it mainly for the automated translation and machine learning-related software which is really resource-consuming on the CPU and RAM, but has the requirements for the GPU compared to those of MS Office.

I though machine learning was GPU-based... But I don't really know anything about those things...

 

If you're only using it for two displays and no rendering, gaming or intensive graphing (idk?), It should do just fine.

[DocSwag]

Get a better psu. G1 is trash. Something like a focus plus gold, rmx/RMi, whisper m would all be good choices.

 

Are you planning on OCing?

[virusnyag]

3 minutes ago, chckovsky said:

I though machine learning was GPU-based... But I don't really know anything about those things...

 

If you're only using it for two displays and no rendering, gaming or intensive graphing (idk?), It should do just fine.

Thank you for your reply!

[virusnyag]

3 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Get a better psu. G1 is trash. Something like a focus plus gold, rmx/RMi, whisper m would all be good choices.

 

Are you planning on OCing?

You think that 650W won't be enough?

Yes, I might try overclocking this system.

[chckovsky]

2 minutes ago, virusnyag said:

Yes, I might try overclocking this system.

Then you'll likely need a better cooler. Noctua NH-D15 is a great air cooler if you can stand the color.

[DocSwag]

Just now, virusnyag said:

You think that 650W won't be enough?

No, the psu itself is not good quality. Performance is comparable to that of a $30 or $40 psu.

1 minute ago, virusnyag said:

Yes, I might try overclocking this system.

Is ram bandwidth a large issue? I see you got quite expensive ram, and if you got some cheaper stuff you could probably get a better cpu cooler and mobo.

 

Also, is multi core performance what you need? If so, a 2700/x, TR, or maybe even x299 could be a better option.

[virusnyag]

3 minutes ago, chckovsky said:

Then you'll likely need a better cooler. Noctua NH-D15 is a great air cooler if you can stand the color.

Thank you! I will consider this option.

[virusnyag]

1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

No, the psu itself is not good quality. Performance is comparable to that of a $30 or $40 psu.

Thank you! I will check the PSUs you recommended.

 

2 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Is ram bandwidth a large issue?

Yes, it is 3733 MHz with CL17. Which is the best available option. However, there is G.SKILL with smaller timings and bandwidth at the level of 3200, but it is 1.5 times as expensive as Corsair, and has CL15, which is not worth it.

 

6 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

better cpu cooler and mobo

Yes, I have the better CPU cooler recommendation above, but what is wrong with this motherboard?

 

8 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

x299

In fact, I looked at Core i7 7820x Skylake, but didn't manage to find any adequate explanation, why it is better than the Coffe Lake, only a bunch of benchmarks.

 

[virusnyag]

11 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

2700/x, TR

The software I am going to use works better on Intel processors, unfortunately. That has been tested by lots of people before me.

[DocSwag]

1 minute ago, virusnyag said:

Yes, it is 3733 MHz with CL17. Which is the best available option. However, there is G.SKILL with smaller timings and bandwidth at the level of 3200, but it is 1.5 times as expensive as Corsair, and has CL15, which is not worth it.

Are you in the US? At least here, the 3733 mhz cl17 ram is over $200 more than the cheapest 4x16gb kits, and for around $200 less you can get 3000/3200 mhz cl16 kits

2 minutes ago, virusnyag said:

Yes, I have the better CPU cooler recommendation above, but what is wrong with this motherboard?

If you OC pretty high I generally like to get better mobos with better vrms just in case.

3 minutes ago, virusnyag said:

In fact, I looked at Core i7 7820x Skylake, but didn't manage to find any adequate explanation, why it is better than the Coffe Lake, only a bunch of benchmarks.

Better memory bandwidth, and a bit higher multi core performance would probably be the two main things. It is quite a bit more expensive though.

[virusnyag]

Just now, DocSwag said:

Are you in the US?

No, I am from the other side of the world. I am from Russia  

 

I have been looking at Amazon prices and options for the hardware (including RAM) for the past week, but delivering them to my country will take plenty of time and will cost me a fortune (due to customs clearing and delivery costs).

 

6 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

mobos with better vrms

Though I am not going extreme on OC, I would appreciate if you could give me a couple of names for those motherboards with better vrms so that I could fetch them into my budget.

[Princess Luna]

19 minutes ago, virusnyag said:

The software I am going to use works better on Intel processors, unfortunately. That has been tested by lots of people before me.

Yeah this forum likes shoving Ryzen down people's throats...

 

Either ways your build is fine, the PSU wattage is overkill just get a reliable 550w unit like mentioned Seasonic Focus Gold or Platinum are always well priced, you'll still have more watts than needed though at least it is a 100% reliable unit.

 

All in all it still depends if this workload you're planning on will benefit or not from CUDA Acceleration, if it does upgrading from this old GTX 750 Ti to at least a GTX 1060 6gb could make plenty of sense.

 

Also the locked i7 8700 on a b360 motherboard paired with 2666mhz memory would give you identical performance of a stock settings i7 8700K and then you could keep that aftermarket cooler... but if you are certain that overclocking will be of enough aid to justify spending on it you really need a higher end cooler.

[virusnyag]

14 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Yeah this forum likes shoving Ryzen down people's throats...

 

Either ways your build is fine, the PSU wattage is overkill just get a reliable 550w unit like mentioned Seasonic Focus Gold or Platinum are always well priced, you'll still have more watts than needed though at least it is a 100% reliable unit.

 

All in all it still depends if this workload you're planning on will benefit or not from CUDA Acceleration, if it does upgrading from this old GTX 750 Ti to at least a GTX 1060 6gb could make plenty of sense.

 

Also the locked i7 8700 on a b360 motherboard paired with 2666mhz memory would give you identical performance of a stock settings i7 8700K and then you could keep that aftermarket cooler... but if you are certain that overclocking will be of enough aid to justify spending on it you really need a higher end cooler.

Thank you for your comment! I am not sure yet whether I will overclock this system. I suppose I will decide it when I have it and run my software on it. Anyway, I have spent more than a week to fill the 13-year gap of my illiteracy in hardware to be able to make this build, I don't think I will have plenty of time to OC it. However, if the circumstances will require, I will deal with it.

 

Thank you once again for your advice!

[DocSwag]

7 hours ago, virusnyag said:

Though I am not going extreme on OC, I would appreciate if you could give me a couple of names for those motherboards with better vrms so that I could fetch them into my budget.

I've seen the asrock extreme4 go for pretty reasonable prices considering it has a pretty nice vrm.

 

Here's a good vrm tier list