Reliable Budget PSU?

[alreadyfuell]

So i'm gonna need new budget psu for my build, My current rig :

 

i5 3450

GTX 460 1 GB

8GB ddr3

1TB HDD SATA

120GB SSD SATA

 

I'm also going to upgrade the GPU into 1060 3gb or RX 580 very soon and i'm going for PSU in mind like : 

Seasonic S12II-520
Be Quiet! Pure Power 10 500w
EVGA 500W Bronze

Corsair CX550M

EVGA 550W GD

 

Here's the complete list of the psu that is available in my country : 

 

https://www.enterkomputer.com/psu.php

 

My Current budget is around 1.000.000 IDR.

 

Any advice will be appreciated 

 

Thanks.

 

 

[aisle9]

The Corsair CX and CXM are the best low-cost PSUs out there right now, IMO.

[Lurick]

CX (2017) and CXM are the best budget ones, as mentioned above.

[alreadyfuell]

Okay, im just gonna go for CX then,

And btw is there any alternatives other than CX in this kind of price range that i could get?

[iRileyx]

1 minute ago, alreadyfuell said:

Okay, im just gonna go for CX then,

And btw is there any alternatives other than CX in this kind of price range that i could get?

Not that has the same quality. 

 

Also depends which 'price range' cause they go on sale quite regularly making them $20-30, so in that price range definitely not. 

[alreadyfuell]

2 minutes ago, RKRiley said:

Not that has the same quality. 

 

Also depends which 'price range' cause they go on sale quite regularly making them $20-30, so in that price range definitely not. 

okay its kinda hard to put my budget in Dollars but i think its around $70, thats my budget. any suggestion?

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

2 minutes ago, alreadyfuell said:

okay its kinda hard to put my budget in Dollars but i think its around $70, thats my budget. any suggestion?

For that much you can get a 650 G3 - a much better PSU

[alreadyfuell]

7 minutes ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

For that much you can get a 650 G3 - a much better PSU

I dont really know why but in my country the 750W G3 is priced around $140 and there is no 650 variant so.. i might have to look for a bit cheaper than that

[seon123]

For an RX 580, you're looking at a power draw of like 300W for the system. A 400W PSU is plenty. I'd say the Pure Power 10 400W. Quiet, multi rail, think it has a better fan than the CXM. 

As for the rest. The S12 II is an ancient group regulated PSU, so avoid that one. The B1 is even crappier, so avoid it even more. The CXM is fine, but I'd rather have the Pure Power 10. The GD should be decent, but there aren't reviews of the thing, and it's probably not as quiet as the Pure Power 10. 

[EsaT]

1 hour ago, aisle9 said:

The Corsair CX and CXM are the best low-cost PSUs out there right now, IMO.

No they aren't.

They're the most overhyped standard cheap component PSUs.

Some CXes haven't even been really honestly specced!

 

37 minutes ago, seon123 said:

The S12 II is an ancient group regulated PSU, so avoid that one.

Seasonic is only one of those with certainly quality capacitors.

Cheap Corsairs have secondary full of second/third tier capacitors.

Same for BeQuiet, same for EVGA.

 

And group regulation is standard in anything below 80+ Gold.

While that "multi-rail" stuff is BS:

Go count how many circuit breakers/fuses your aparment has and then tell us how many power lines utility company has into your house.

[EsaT]

1 hour ago, alreadyfuell said:

Here's the complete list of the psu that is available in my country : 

https://www.enterkomputer.com/psu.php

 

My Current budget is around 1.000.000 IDR.

Seasonic S12G-550 would be DC-DC design with modern efficiency and quality parts.

 

Antec Earthwatts Gold Pro 550w would be semi modular PSU based onto newer very well performing Seasonic Focus Plus serie.

Below that price point either efficiency, electric performance or component quality (or most of them) take drop.

[aisle9]

12 minutes ago, EsaT said:

No they aren't.

They're the most overhyped standard cheap component PSUs.

Some CXes haven't even been really honestly specced!

You know the units were overhauled when they went to gray labels, right?

 

I'm in the minority that would still happily put an S12II or M12II in my computer, but the CX450 and CX550 go on sale for $20-30 so often that the Seasonics don't make sense from a price point of view.

 

Also, most reviews out there of the new CX/CXM units confirm that the units are objectively better than the old Seasonic platform.

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, alreadyfuell said:

Be Quiet! Pure Power 10 500w

The Pure Power 10 is the best of those

Best fan, fan RPM in idle quite nice

 

1 hour ago, aisle9 said:

The Corsair CX and CXM are the best low-cost PSUs out there right now, IMO.

No, they are not.

There are others that are better...

And the fan RPM under low load is rather high -> 850rpm...

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, EsaT said:

Seasonic is only one of those with certainly quality capacitors.

Cheap Corsairs have secondary full of second/third tier capacitors.

Same for BeQuiet, same for EVGA.

I really hate it when people do this and reduce the PSU to just the capacitors. Japanese Capacitors are maybe the Icing on the Cake but no more!
It doesn't make the Cake!

 

Protections are the most important thing, as well as the PSU staying in spec...

The Seasonic S12II you recommended can go out of spec with the right load and protections are barely there...

 

 

And you also imply that chinese can't do good stuff - no words for that....

 

To be blunt:
You were fooled by Marketing!
Capacitors are the least important thing of a PSU!

Protection is the most important, (as is the Voltages staying in spec)

Fan is important for many people as well, as its the most noticable thing of a PSU.

 

But with modern Designs, there are more caps in parallel on +12V wich gives better reliability and longivety.

Well, the S12II-Bronze only has the old CLC Filter, nothing more, while more modern units have bigger caps than that old thing from 2010 that should have been replaced 5 Years ago...

 

And up to 2000rpm is not acceptable for a 500W PSU!

 

In short:
The S12II-Bronze doesn't have capacity to keep the transients of modern graphics cards away from the electronics of the unit, other units do.

And its the loudest of the bunch, worst protected and also the voltage Regulation is worse than on a more modern HEC/Compucase design. 

 

So you are recommending the worst unit of the buch and for what?! The Japanese Capacitors, that are made in chinese factorys?!

 

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And group regulation is standard in anything below 80+ Gold.

No, its not.

Many companys are phasing out their group regulated units and replacing it with Independently regulated ones.

Some Companys have only their System Integrator series as group regulated units (Corsair), some not even that (be quiet), they ONLY sell DC-DC units under their name!

Well, at least at 400W and above.

 

 

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While that "multi-rail" stuff is BS:

Go count how many circuit breakers/fuses your aparment has and then tell us how many power lines utility company has into your house.

Yes and because the Breakers split the Line from the Company its an important safety device as is Multi Rail.

And the Seasonic you recommended is a "True Single Rail", wich means it doesn't have UVP on +12V, it doesn't have OCP on either minor Rail. And that is how Protection looks:
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-07/cooler-master-cougar-xfx-zalman-netzteil-test/3/#abschnitt_schutzschaltungen

 

That's the Seasonic S12II-Bronze variant -> 

XFX XT500 (zweite Revision)

Sorry, but what you are posting here is just wrong! And how long a Cap last depends on the Design more than the quality of the Cap! If you have a shitty design, it will kill the caps sooner rather than later. And with a good design, even cheaper caps last for a long time. And you want good protection and independently regulated voltages and a good quality fan with 500rpm or so first.

 

[seon123]

2 hours ago, EsaT said:

No they aren't.

They're the most overhyped standard cheap component PSUs.

Some CXes haven't even been really honestly specced!

 

Seasonic is only one of those with certainly quality capacitors.

Cheap Corsairs have secondary full of second/third tier capacitors.

Same for BeQuiet, same for EVGA.

Put a bunch of the best capacitors into a Cooler Master Thunder, FSP Hexa or Thermaltake TR2, and tell me how good that PSU is. 

[EsaT]

1 hour ago, Stefan Payne said:

Capacitors are the least important thing of a PSU!

 

That's the Seasonic S12II-Bronze variant -> 

XFX XT500 (zweite Revision)

Yeah and Antec Smart and True Powers were reliable PSUs and Samsung hasn't ever timed monitors and TVs to break down with CapXons...

Or Topfield PVRs/STBs don't have capacitor problems in their PSUs...

And what was that site even specializing into selling capacitor replacement kits for monitors because cheap capacitors have durability problems?

http://lcdalternatives.com/

 

Bad designs certainly kill even best capacitors, but cheap price isn't very good starting point for component selection either.

And for actual quality we really shouldn't be even talking about PSUs below 80+ Gold efficiency, which has been baseline/mainstream for years.

Anything below that just cuts corners one way or another.

 

XFX XT is outsourced heavily corners cut PSU.

http://www.orionpsudb.com/news/the-mystery-of-xfx-budget-xt-line-solved-oem-and-platform-discovered

[breixobaloca]

22 minutes ago, EsaT said:

 

XFX XT is outsourced heavily corners cut PSU.

http://www.orionpsudb.com/news/the-mystery-of-xfx-budget-xt-line-solved-oem-and-platform-discovered

 

Not true. Check the Computerbase Review:

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XFX beauftragt für die erste Revision des XT500 mit RuiShengYua einen weniger bekannten Fertiger, der unter anderem Produktionslinien für Super Flower bereitstellt. Für die zweite Revision wird die Fertigung an Seasonic übergeben.

 

XFX commissioned RuiShengYua, a lesser-known paver for the first revision of the XT500, which also provides Super Flower production lines. For the second revision, the production is handed over to Seasonic.

 

 

What Stefan is telling you to check is the second revision (zweite), not the first which is made by RSY. I would also say that it's exactly the S12II, at least it uses the same protection IC (HY-510N), platform (GB) and it is NOT outsourced as the reviewer states. You can check that they were CLEARLY manufactured in different assembly lines as well (compare soldering quality, transformers, etc), which confirms that it's basically a S12II..

 

P.S. Seasonic S12II 620 (Source GECID.COM )  https://prnt.sc/jo5uyg

Same platform.

[STRMfrmXMN]

The be Quiet is actually the best of the units you listed. The CX and CXM are still plenty good though so don't feel terrible about buying one if you did.

[Stefan Payne]

5 minutes ago, EsaT said:

Yeah and Antec Smart and True Powers were reliable PSUs

Do you have something from recent times and not the middle ages?!
Arguing with 15 Year old stuff (or more)?! SRYSLY?!

 

And in 15 Years there was so much that happen...

We switched from the old Flyback to Double Forward to LLC-Resonant mode topologys, the Caps got better, Polymer capacitors were introduced, the efficiency rose 20-30%, from 72% tops and usually something in the higher 60s to 96% tops, the Power Transistors of the primary side and the Diodes on the secondary side were replaced by MOSFETs, the discrete +5VSB Circuit replaced by an IC, switching frequency increased....

Sorry, but modern PSU have _NOTHING_ to do with the ones from 15 Years ago...

 

And the Problem with those was the Temperature. Those caps just didn't like higher temperature due to lower fan speed, thus were cooked and failed....

The max. Heat produced on an old Antec True Power or so should be around 200W at 500W Load (and 70% efficiency).

 

Todays PSU have way better efficiency and a 500W PSU today only produces only a fraction of that heat due to higher efficiency...

 

5 minutes ago, EsaT said:

and Samsung hasn't ever timed monitors and TVs to break down with CapXons...

Yes and Corsair RM 550-650W don't.

So if they were as bad as you claim, why don't you see them fail in Forums??
They are old enough that the "quality of the Capacitors" should show.

 

And what about Rigol scopes? They also use Capxon here and there. Also don't seem to fail that often....

 

And LCDs are a totally different thing because they don't have any forced airflow and thus tend to get rather hot...

 

5 minutes ago, EsaT said:

Bad designs certainly kill even best capacitors, but cheap price isn't very good starting point for component selection either.

Yes and that is what you are talking about: Bad or shitty designs that cook the Capacitors because they don't want to put a fan inside...

 

And you would probably like to pay 50 bucks more for your components, don't you?? Because good build quality is expensive - just look at Miele Washing Machines.

 

5 minutes ago, EsaT said:

And for actual quality we really shouldn't be even talking about PSUs below 80+ Gold efficiency, which has been baseline/mainstream for years.

Anything below that just cuts corners one way or another.

There are also many 80plus Gold units that cut corners and are rather bad.

The Seasonic S12G is rather loud and dies in overload scenarios.

 

Or look at the Seasonic made EVGA 550GS or 650W. They also die when the DC-DC Modules are overloaded.

 

 

5 minutes ago, EsaT said:

XFX XT is outsourced heavily corners cut PSU.

http://www.orionpsudb.com/news/the-mystery-of-xfx-budget-xt-line-solved-oem-and-platform-discovered

You should read the Links people post and not claim some things that were mentioned in the Original Link.

 

If you don't understand the Language, use Google Translate. That works rather well for one Germanic Language to another, even if one uses many romanic words. 

 

 

Because the "Second Revision" is a totally different unit from a totally different manufacturer - in this Case Seasonic for the second version...

The second version, wich failed misarably in the protection tests and had a really high fan RPM is a Seasonic S12II-Bronze variant, manufactured by Seasonic (or at least ordered by Seasonic and manufactured to Seasonic's specification)

 

 

And why is it relevant who does the units, when you and I can get the Components to build a PSU from Digikey and Mouser?! 
PSU are just made out of Standardized Jelly Bean Components. You don't see proprietary Chips often in PSU! Only FSP, Delta and maybe Super Flower do that, the Rest uses off the shelve components. Nothing fancy there...

 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, EsaT said:

No they aren't.

They're the most overhyped standard cheap component PSUs.

Some CXes haven't even been really honestly specced!

 

 

Actually, that's not true.  CX has always been rated at 30°C (old version) or 40°C (current version) and are rated at continuous and not peak.

3 hours ago, EsaT said:

And group regulation is standard in anything below 80+ Gold.

Also wrong.  In fact, the CX and CX-M are not group regulated and have DC to DC for the +3.3V and +5V.  A lot of other PSUs do as well.

 

Where do you get your information from?  Reddit?

 

[alreadyfuell]

I don't understand psu that much but i know its the system's heart and i should buy the best for the longevity all of the other parts.

 

Do you guys have any recommendation for great reliable psu that i should start off with? ( The lower the price the better ) 

[BarackOBatman]

Poor dude just wants a decent power supply and everyone here is going at it about which is best on a technical level that is beyond the OP's

[breixobaloca]

54 minutes ago, alreadyfuell said:

I don't understand psu that much but i know its the system's heart and i should buy the best for the longevity all of the other parts.

 

Do you guys have any recommendation for great reliable psu that i should start off with? ( The lower the price the better ) 

From your list, Pure Power 10, definitely.

 

[Joey Green]

6 hours ago, alreadyfuell said:

So i'm gonna need new budget psu for my build, My current rig :

 

i5 3450

GTX 460 1 GB

8GB ddr3

1TB HDD SATA

120GB SSD SATA

 

I'm also going to upgrade the GPU into 1060 3gb or RX 580 very soon and i'm going for PSU in mind like : 

Seasonic S12II-520
Be Quiet! Pure Power 10 500w
EVGA 500W Bronze

Corsair CX550M

EVGA 550W GD

 

Here's the complete list of the psu that is available in my country : 

 

https://www.enterkomputer.com/psu.php

 

My Current budget is around 1.000.000 IDR.

 

Any advice will be appreciated 

 

Thanks.

 

 

I'm partial to evga and if you don't need the extra 50 watts go with the 500 watt psu.

[seon123]

6 minutes ago, Joey Green said:

I'm partial to evga and if you don't need the extra 50 watts go with the 500 watt psu.

The brand doesn't matter, the PSU does. And the B1 is objectively the worst of those PSUs.