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Upgrade advice: two choices

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We are planning to upgrade a system based on an Asrock H270M Pro4 and a Pentium G4560.

 

The options available right now are two:

 

1) Sell the current set of mobo/cpu for 110€ and get a coffee lake set consisted of an i5 8400 and an Asrock H370 Pro4 for 290€. Additional cost: 180€

 

2) Sell just the G4560 for 40€ and get a used i7 7700 (non-K) + TX3 cooler I found from a friend for 200€ (warranty until Feb 2021). Additional cost 160€.

 

The good thing about the second approach certainly is that there will be no need to reinstall everything (format, clean install).

 

Which sounds like the most reasonable approach? What would you choose?

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The first one, because performance gained per dollar is more important than the hassle of backing up stuff and reinstalling everything

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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So, the 8400 is a more capable CPU all around and in gaming specifically?

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9 minutes ago, insomniacgr said:

So, the 8400 is a more capable CPU all around and in gaming specifically?

8400 is just as powerful, if not faster than two G4560 glued and working together. Is that easier to understand?

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

8400 is just as powerful, if not faster than two G4560 glued and working together. Is that easier to understand?

I talk about the comparison between 8400 and 7700, not the G4560 of course... :)

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3 minutes ago, insomniacgr said:

I talk about the comparison between 8400 and 7700, not the G4560 of course... :)

The difference between these two depends on how well the task uses hyperthreading. If it's used well, then they perform the same. If the task doesnt use hyperthreading at all, then 8400 is 50% faster than the 7700 (in this case, 7700 = 7600).

 

Usually, hyperthreading is around 50% efficient, which means 7700 is still slower noticeably.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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44 minutes ago, insomniacgr said:

 

Not worth buying Kaby Lake anymore

 

Just grab a discounted R5 1600 + ASrock Pro4/M?
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/NVwy7h
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/NVwy7h/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (€152.49 @ Alternate)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€73.86 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €226.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-01 11:35 CEST+0200

I edit my posts a lot, Twitter is @LordStreetguru just don't ask PC questions there mostly...
 

Spoiler

 

What is your budget/country for your new PC?

 

what monitor resolution/refresh rate?

 

What games or other software do you need to run?

 

 

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5 hours ago, Streetguru said:

Not worth buying Kaby Lake anymore

 

Just grab a discounted R5 1600 + ASrock Pro4/M?
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/NVwy7h
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/NVwy7h/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (€152.49 @ Alternate)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€73.86 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €226.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-01 11:35 CEST+0200

Isn't the R5 1600 ranked a little lower - performance wise in gaming - (against 8400 and 7700 at least)?

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2 hours ago, insomniacgr said:

Isn't the R5 1600 ranked a little lower - performance wise in gaming - (against 8400 and 7700 at least)?

Ryzen 1 is going to get around 100fps in the average AAA game vs 120fps for coffee lake

It's more about the upgrade path for AM4, soldered IHS for temps, and just having the extra multi-threaded performance should it ever be needed.

I edit my posts a lot, Twitter is @LordStreetguru just don't ask PC questions there mostly...
 

Spoiler

 

What is your budget/country for your new PC?

 

what monitor resolution/refresh rate?

 

What games or other software do you need to run?

 

 

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