Intel i5 8600k 1050ti bottlenecking

[KarathKasun]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

There's always going to be a bottleneck, even with an 8700k and a 1080ti by that logic.  I can't get 4000 FPS at 4k.  

That is exactly the same logic that determines that a CPU is a bottleneck.  It cant push 1000FPS at 320x240.

[KarathKasun]

6 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

So we can stop derailing let me quote someone, "A bottleneck is a kind of hardware limitation in your computer. A bottleneck occurs when the capacity of an application or a computer system is severely limited by a single component."  What you two are describing is buyer's remorse that people claim is a bottleneck.  In this regard no there is no bottleneck, in this context.  An FX paired with anything over a 380 is a CPU bottleneck.  How is that mid-range CPU severely limited by a mid-range GPU?  

GPU limits performance, its a bottleneck.  Simple as that.

 

GPU cant push 60fps (or 144fps on a 144hz screen) in newer titles, its a bottleneck.

 

How is this hard to understand?

 

Also, FX with GPU faster than R9 390 can still be GPU bottlenecked.  Its called 4k.

[KarathKasun]

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

You wut m8?

A GPU bottleneck would be, I guess, an i7-8700k with a Voodoo 3.

 

Mid-range parts paired together then complaining you aren't getting what you wanted, and getting upset over it, is called buyer's remorse.  That GPU is not holding back that CPU to a severe point.

Actually it is.  i5-8600k can drive up to a 1080 Ti in nearly all games without limiting performance.  There are of course the games that are outliers and bottleneck with any CPU.

[KarathKasun]

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

But, I can't get 4000 FPS at 4k.  Therefore, even the 1080 ti is a severe bottleneck.

Well, the CPU (also any other CPU) cant push 4000 FPS either, so...

[KarathKasun]

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

Well, that's a bottleneck then too.

 

Your childish mis-understanding of the fact that there is always something limiting performance is tiring.

 

If you cant comprehend being wrong you just make unreasonable claims, we know this already.

[KarathKasun]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

It's not childish.  I'm just using your own logic.  You wanted me to agree with you, so I am.

And by your logic a CirrusLogic ISA video adapter is what we should be gaming with.  Two can make unreasonable claims.

[Jurrunio]

I give up. I can deal with lack of knowledge, but I cant deal with stubborn.

[KarathKasun]

2 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Nope, that wasn't my logic.  I never said to actually pair a mid-range CPU with an outdated GPU.  I said it was only a bottleneck if you are severely holding it back.  A mid-range GPU with a mid-range CPU is not severely holding either part back.

But if its at 100% its fine!  Im only getting 15FPS with 8xMSAA, it must not be my gpu holding me back because its at 100%!

 

The GPU is almost always the bottleneck, that is what people try to do with their builds.  Because the GPU is usually the most expensive component, you would rather be limited by that rather than some cheap supporting component.

 

This does not change the fact that its a bottleneck.

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Well, clearly we can only game with a 1080ti.

Exactly, with minimal GPU bottlnecks on a 4k 144Hz monitor without going for 2 cards.

[KarathKasun]

2 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Well, clearly we can only game with a 1080ti.

Nope, even that is a bottleneck.  And you simply cant have a bottleneck in your system.  Because of this you will never game because your online stats will never reflect the pure awesome power of your gaming capability.

 

If only you could get over your ego and accept that every build ever, including your own, have a bottleneck could we see that gaming skill.

[KarathKasun]

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

Fuck the 8700k!  Only that near 2 grand i9, 80 way sli, and a diablotek psu are the only way to go.

Nope, its still a bottleneck for the deskside 8-way V100 compute box!

 

You gotta have a quad socket Xeon Platinum rig at minimum.

 

But then you can get 3 more deskside V100 clusters and you will need more CPU power!

[KarathKasun]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

And, you still missed the point.  What OP is referring to is a severe bottleneck. No, they don't have a severe bottleneck.

For 1080p, they do.  1050 Ti can not do 1080p at high settings on most new games.

[Jurrunio]

8 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

And, you still missed the point.  What OP is referring to is a severe bottleneck. No, they don't have a severe bottleneck.

It does, that's why his GPU usage goes sky high and CPU finds working for him easy. It's bearable, but there is a bottleneck.

[KarathKasun]

13 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Again missing the point of the op.  Yes, there's always going to be a bottleneck in some form.  When people ask about a bottleneck they mean a noticeable/severe one.  OP was asking if his parts were badly bottlenecking.  In that context, no.  They never included more info along the lines of FPS, what they were playing, or whatever.  It was multiple people speculating.  OP doesn't want to upgrade either, and pairing 2 mid-range parts is not really severely bottlenecking either.

And we already responded to that.  The GPU is limiting performance, so turn down graphics options a bit.

[Jurrunio]

12 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Yes, there's always going to be a bottleneck in some form.  When people ask about a bottleneck they mean a noticeable/severe one.

Isnt that a speculation itself?  That's why it's down to us to tell them what a 'bottleneck' really is.

12 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

OP doesn't want to upgrade either, and pairing 2 mid-range parts is not really severely bottlenecking either.

It's a years old mid range GPU model and a months old mid range CPU model. There's already a significant pairing difference already.

 

All we're saying is that his GPU is holding back the CPU. If he wants higher usage of the CPU in games, upgrading the GPU is the way to go. If he's happy with the 1050ti, then so be it.

[KarathKasun]

5 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

He said without upgrading.

And we responded with "turn down your graphics settings" because that removes some of the workload on the bottlenecking component.

 

In theory overclocking is also a valid answer, but the 1050 Ti does not gain a ton of performance for an OC.  Maybe 10%.

[Dooley_labs]

11 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

I'm only correcting you on the difinition of 'bottleneck', not the other part.

You have a different understanding to the word 'bottleneck' than I do.

 

I think 'bottleneck' refers to limitation of performance. Different tasks load up the parts of a system differently, so there is always a bottleneck somewhere in the system, no matter its performance level.  What matters is whether it can satisfy you right now. If you have a frame rate that's already high enough to not impact your gameplay/enjoyment, then it's a bottleneck you dont have to care about.

 

Please point out where I 'discriminate against a 1050ti'. I would like to know how can I improve in my pick on words.

In this case then, your word is not "bottleneck", it's "performance limit". I ask that you please correct this. It's like calling a rabbit a dog. Call it what you like, but it's not a dog -- just as this is no bottleneck, it's the performance limit of the hardware.

[Jurrunio]

6 minutes ago, Dooley_labs said:

In this case then, your word is not "bottleneck", it's "performance limit". I ask that you please correct this. It's like calling a rabbit a dog. Call it what you like, but it's not a dog -- just as this is no bottleneck, it's the performance limit of the hardware.

no it's not. bottleneck = performance limit. It's only a problem of whether you reach it, or if you;re happy about the performance after hitting it.

[KarathKasun]

7 hours ago, Dooley_labs said:

In this case then, your word is not "bottleneck", it's "performance limit". I ask that you please correct this. It's like calling a rabbit a dog. Call it what you like, but it's not a dog -- just as this is no bottleneck, it's the performance limit of the hardware.

A CPU bottleneck is exactly that, a performance limit of the hardware.

7 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

no it's not. bottleneck = performance limit. It's only a problem of whether you reach it, or if you;re happy about the performance after hitting it.

This is what people don't seem to understand.  There is always a bottleneck, weather or not you address it depends on how happy you are with performance.

[xsimplyjosh]

On 4/20/2018 at 5:54 PM, Jhostile said:

my i5 8600k 50 percent and my 1050ti goes to 99 percent how to fix with out upgrading

1050ti is a basic graphics card lower your settings. Also dependent on the actual program. in most cases with a 1050ti that will mainly be the bottleneck due to the actual cost and simple design of the card itself.

 

You'll only start seeing CPU bottlenecks when it comes to stuff like high frame rate gaming at higher resolutions (just one example, there's more obviously) eg 1440p at 144-165hz, a CPU will start to be as important but then even my 1080Ti is limiting me over the 7700k so. Technically it all depends on what you do.

 

eg Witcher 3 for me doesn't bust over 120FPS... with maxed out settings on 1440p w/ a 1080Ti. I could drop settings but it would negate the true reason I bought a 1080Ti to play fully maxed out. YMMV.

Like the 2nd poster suggested, TURN DOWN YOUR SETTINGS, especially with a 1050Ti, that would muster 60fps on average or lower settings. For me it was a necessity not to do so, because I wanted the best gaming experience for the amount of shit i tossed on the setup.

 

15 hours ago, KarathKasun said:

A CPU bottleneck is exactly that, a performance limit of the hardware.

This is what people don't seem to understand.  There is always a bottleneck, weather or not you address it depends on how happy you are with performance.

This is true, most of the times anything gaming related, will have bottlenecks regarding to GPU. For other tasks, it's mostly CPU dependent.

People need to be aware that it depends on what THEY do, gaming? or workloads? For workloads, I doubt the GPU will ever be a true limitation [Video Rendering, 3d task photo etc]. Majority of the people wouldn't be concerned with bottlenecks IF they already know what they wanted to do.

 

If gaming bottlenecking with CPU is and only is a concern if you venture into high frame rate gaming (>>>>100fps)++, even at 4k gaming w/ a 1080Ti, the GPU still is the true limiting factor of a build, since the CPU has no issues processing 60fps without a doubt but the GPU struggles due to the intensity.

 

Example; my 7700k limits me when I'm using premiere pro. Since exporting and rendering is all CPU intensive based versus GPU. So much that my CPU hits 100% most of the time on stock settings.

[agello24]

no bottleneck.

[Jhostile]

im getting 100 fps on fortnite at high and epic setting for battlefield i put the resolution 140 percent and i get around 40 to 60 fps 

[Jurrunio]

37 minutes ago, Jhostile said:

im getting 100 fps on fortnite at high and epic setting for battlefield i put the resolution 140 percent and i get around 40 to 60 fps 

so you happy with it?

[Arthur Dent]

I think there is pretty good definition for the argument what is bottlenecking and what is not. A single component on its own cannot be a bottleneck, it can only be underpowered for a certain task. To qualify as a bottleneck a component has to limit another component reaching its full potential. So a crappy CPU might limit the framerates and utilisation of a GPU, its a bottleneck. One could argue that a crappy or underpowered GPU is a bottleneck as-well, but it would bottleneck the display (in the sense of the display would be capable of showing more details, more frames, higher resolution) rather than the CPU. However such an argument seems quite a stretch to me.

[App4that]

Never go full bottleneck.