Intel i5 8600k 1050ti bottlenecking

[Jhostile]

my i5 8600k 50 percent and my 1050ti goes to 99 percent how to fix with out upgrading

 

[VVoltor]

Without upgrading? Turn down your settings.

[NoRomanBatmansAllowed]

Play at lower res, higher graphical settings.

 

 

[Jhostile]

I want my cpu to be 70 percent and above

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[Jurrunio]

Then you have to take off some load from the graphics card, so frame rates and CPU usage will increase. Lower resolution, or just graphical settings overall will do that.

[VVoltor]

3 minutes ago, Jhostile said:

I want my cpu to be 70 percent and above

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Do some CPU based mining in the background.

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, VVoltor said:

Do some CPU based mining in the background.

or drop the clock speed.

[Skiiwee29]

wow someone doesnt understand bottlenecking.. having your GPU at 100% and CPU LESS than 100% is a GOOOOOOD THING.. its a BAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDD thing if its the other way around where the CPU is 100% and GPU is less than 100%... 

[Fraser Cow]

Someone missed bottlenecking 101.

[KarathKasun]

2 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

How is that bottlenecking?

Its obviously a GPU bottleneck.

 

@Jhostile

Lower graphics settings.  Textures are likely OK at high but shadows, SSAO, and AntiAliasing are going to slow down that GPU.

 

Also, most games are not going to use 70% of that CPU.

 

2 hours ago, bob51zhang said:

Play at lower res, higher graphical settings.

This is not the answer.  Some graphics settings will still give horrible performance at lower resolution.  Also, lower resolution is usually not going to look good on any LCD/LED based monitor.

[NoRomanBatmansAllowed]

1 hour ago, KarathKasun said:

This is not the answer.  Some graphics settings will still give horrible performance at lower resolution.  Also, lower resolution is usually not going to look good on any LCD/LED based monitor.

Hey, it does lower the effect of the bottleneck on the GPU.

 

Lower res games are skewed more towards CPU than higher res of the same game.

[Jurrunio]

19 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Not exactly if it is happening while gaming.  You want high gpu usage and low cpu usage.  If there was high cpu usage then it would be bottlenecking.

as long as one has noticeably higher usage than the other, then there's a bottleneck. Doesnt matter if it's GPU or CPU.

[Dooley_labs]

8 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

as long as one has noticeably higher usage than the other, then there's a bottleneck. Doesnt matter if it's GPU or CPU.

 

I know it's 4/20, but that inaccuracy cannot go unpunished.

 

Let's say I'm running Crysis. My CPU is running at 25% load, while my GPU is running at 75% load (and for giggles my RAM is at 69% load). Does that mean my GPU is bottlenecking my CPU, even though my game's running at 300FPS? Regardless of the type of GPU, the GPU would not be bottlenecking the system in any way in this case as long as there is no noticable latency. Sure, the GPU has a load on it -- it's supposed to, that's how gaming works.

 

On a machine with an i7-7700K + a 1050ti, Overwatch pushes the GPU to 95% load (if not 99% load) with at least 90FPS on a 60Hz monitor. The CPU is at considerably less load. Nothing lags, there is no visible latency, and things work exactly as they're intended to run. Regardless of hardware, unless there's visible tearing or lag on the screen or between actions, there is no bottleneck. If there was, the user could simply reduce their game's settings as the GPU mainly controls the elements seen on-screen, though it also renders objects in-game.

 

If I'm not making sense, I can get a friendly forum mod to explain it a bit more thoroughly for you. Also, don't discriminate against a 1050TI. Those little things are powerful, even if they're not as good as a 1080. You don't need top of the line hardware, especially in this case. Gaming is meant to be fun, not a measuring contest -- especially in this market, GPUs are overpriced.

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, valdyrgramr said:

In gaming you literally want high gpu usage and low cpu usage.

I'm only correcting you on the difinition of 'bottleneck', not the other part.

51 minutes ago, Dooley_labs said:

 

I know it's 4/20, but that inaccuracy cannot go unpunished.

 

Let's say I'm running Crysis. My CPU is running at 25% load, while my GPU is running at 75% load (and for giggles my RAM is at 69% load). Does that mean my GPU is bottlenecking my CPU, even though my game's running at 300FPS? Regardless of the type of GPU, the GPU would not be bottlenecking the system in any way in this case as long as there is no noticable latency. Sure, the GPU has a load on it -- it's supposed to, that's how gaming works.

 

On a machine with an i7-7700K + a 1050ti, Overwatch pushes the GPU to 95% load (if not 99% load) with at least 90FPS on a 60Hz monitor. The CPU is at considerably less load. Nothing lags, there is no visible latency, and things work exactly as they're intended to run. Regardless of hardware, unless there's visible tearing or lag on the screen or between actions, there is no bottleneck. If there was, the user could simply reduce their game's settings as the GPU mainly controls the elements seen on-screen, though it also renders objects in-game.

 

If I'm not making sense, I can get a friendly forum mod to explain it a bit more thoroughly for you. Also, don't discriminate against a 1050TI. Those little things are powerful, even if they're not as good as a 1080. You don't need top of the line hardware, especially in this case. Gaming is meant to be fun, not a measuring contest -- especially in this market, GPUs are overpriced.

You have a different understanding to the word 'bottleneck' than I do.

 

I think 'bottleneck' refers to limitation of performance. Different tasks load up the parts of a system differently, so there is always a bottleneck somewhere in the system, no matter its performance level.  What matters is whether it can satisfy you right now. If you have a frame rate that's already high enough to not impact your gameplay/enjoyment, then it's a bottleneck you dont have to care about.

 

Please point out where I 'discriminate against a 1050ti'. I would like to know how can I improve in my pick on words.

[KarathKasun]

2 hours ago, bob51zhang said:

Hey, it does lower the effect of the bottleneck on the GPU.

 

Lower res games are skewed more towards CPU than higher res of the same game.

No, some effects have a large impact on GPU load regardless of resolution.  With the 1050 Ti you are better off staying at 1080p and using medium-ish settings.

[Jurrunio]

40 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

It's still not correct, though.  In this situation, it means his GPU is actually working.  If it were bottlenecking then the CPU would be at a much higher usage, and the GPU would be at a lower usage because the GPU would be slowed down.  So, I'm failing to understand your point.  


A bottleneck is when one part is being slowed down by the other.  A GPU at high usage in this scenario is a good thing, and low CPU usage is a good thing.  If the GPU were to drop under 90 percent and the CPU peaked up to near 90 or higher than there is an obvious bottleneck in this scenario.  I think you're assuming that if any part is at high usage then it means a bottleneck, ya no, that's not how that works.  To be fair, it also depends on the game.  If a game is CPU dependent then you're going to see higher CPU usage and not as high GPU usage.  If the game is GPU dependent then 95-100 percent GPU usage is normal.  If it's a mix big then somewhat higher on both, like with GTA V.  If the game has never met optimization, like PUGB, then your usage is going to bounce here and there.

It seems that you understand CPU bottleneck, but do you realize there's also GPU bottleneck?

 

Poor optimization is another performance limiting factor indeed.

[KarathKasun]

41 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

It's still not correct, though.  In this situation, it means his GPU is actually working.  If it were bottlenecking then the CPU would be at a much higher usage, and the GPU would be at a lower usage because the GPU would be slowed down.  So, I'm failing to understand your point.  


A bottleneck is when one part is being slowed down by the other.  A GPU at high usage in this scenario is a good thing, and low CPU usage is a good thing.  If the GPU were to drop under 90 percent and the CPU peaked up to near 90 or higher than there is an obvious bottleneck in this scenario.  I think you're assuming that if any part is at high usage then it means a bottleneck, ya no, that's not how that works.  To be fair, it also depends on the game.  If a game is CPU dependent then you're going to see higher CPU usage and not as high GPU usage.  If the game is GPU dependent then 95-100 percent GPU usage is normal.  If it's a mix big then somewhat higher on both, like with GTA V.  If the game has never met optimization, like PUGB, then your usage is going to bounce here and there.

Doesnt change the fact that in this scenario, the GPU is the limiting factor.  Limiting factors are known as bottlenecks.

[KarathKasun]

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

 

If the GPU is running at near 100 percent in a GPU dependent game that is a good thing.  If the CPU is running at near 100 in a GPU dependent game that is a bad thing.  High usage on a part doesn't always mean a bottleneck.

If its running at 100% and you are not getting 60 FPS, it is not a good thing.

[KarathKasun]

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

You what mate?  First off, hitting 60FPS on a 1050ti is not always going to happen.  <.<  You're basically running a 4gb GTX 770.  If you're dropping under 90% usage then your CPU is too weak, and there's a bottleneck from the CPU causing a slowdown.  That's a bottleneck, high usage on your GPU is desired.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2461774/gpu-usage-100-playing.html

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/8705120524

In that case the GPU is the bottleneck. Hello?  Not everything is about the CPU.

[KarathKasun]

5 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

So, what you're saying is that we want our GPU under 90 percent usage while gaming?  We want our CPU low everything must be low?  My HDD, my SSD everything must be low?  Please source meh. You're completely wrong, btw.  GPU usage at 100 is the most ideal hitting under 90 usage while gaming is when we know there's a bottleneck.

No, you want GPU performance that is acceptable.  I can push a GT 1030 to 100% so it should be fine right? There is no performance bottleneck, why are people not happy with its performance?

 

If you cant get acceptable performance and your GPU is at 100% load, its the limiting factor AKA bottleneck.

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

and that GPU is not going to bottleneck that CPU. 

Yup, you dont know what we're talking about because you only understand half the issue.

[KarathKasun]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

If your GPU, the 1030, is at 100% while gaming and your CPU is at low usage in a game that's a good thing.  OP hitting low CPU usage and high GPU usage while gaming is a good thing, especially in GPU dependent games.  That i5 is not going to bottleneck a 1050ti, and that GPU is not going to bottleneck that CPU. 

If the performance is not what the OP wants, the GPU is the bottleneck.  GPUs can be a performance bottleneck.

 

There is no combination that is perfect where the CPU is always less important than the GPU or vice-versa.  Some RTS games will be CPU bottlenecked with an 8700k @ 5ghz and a GTX 1060.  Likewise, there are some situations where that GTX 1060 will be the limiting factor for your performance.

 

If you are not seeing the FPS you want, and the CPU is under utilized, generally the GPU is the performance bottleneck.

 

Bottleneck is not defined as "cpu only" anywhere except in your head.

[KarathKasun]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

I know you're using terms incorrectly.

Sorry, you are using the term incorrectly.

 

Quote

Definition of bottleneck

1 a : a narrow route

b : a point of traffic congestion

2 a : someone or something that retards or halts free movement and progress

b : impasse

c : a dramatic reduction in the size of a population (as of a species) that results in a decrease in genetic variation

3 : a style of guitar playing in which glissando effects are produced by sliding an object (such as a knife blade or the neck of a bottle) along the strings — called also bottleneck guitar

Anything that limits performance is a bottleneck.

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

I know you're using terms incorrectly.

Then please explain why people go after 1080ti. With your logic, 8700k and integrated graphics is a very good gaming setup and and graphics cards are unnecessary because GPU usage in 99% of games will hit 99% all the time, and that's perfect. Right?

[KarathKasun]

2 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

 

99%-100% usage on the GPU is a good thing.  Not getting the frames you want because of buyer's remorse is not a bottleneck.  It's a stupid pairing, the GTS 450, and you won't get the desired performance, yes.  But, that's called buyer's remorse.  Ya know what?  I can't break 200 with my tractor, so it's a bottleneck.

Yep, the tractor is bottlenecking your driving performance.

 

I can push 100% usage on a 1080 Ti with a really old i5, just turn DSR to 8x.  Because its at 100% load, performance is fine.