Unfair Mutualism Poll

[LOST TALE]

Ok replace Moral by preference. That's settled now.

 

Mutualism ''the way two organisms of different species exist in a relationship in which each individual benefits''

In this post I will be reffering at mutualism as ''the way two organisms exist in a relationship in which each individual benefits''

 

Please consider the following situation to answer the poll:

Conclusion: Will you engage in a mutual relation were you gain but the other gains more.

For your studies, you must accomplish a work in which you are allowed to team up with a comrade ( and split the work)

-you will be just as succesfull no matter what your choice is( the evaluation does not consider if your alone or not, the group average will also be the same..etc)

-You have no reason to like or dislike the comrade, he is a neutral stranger to you.

-Your comrade will work less then you will and get the same mark.

-You will have less work if you are paired with him (this includes team organisation and any kind of team-related problems)

 

You can play a smartass and skip the question and say that you will choose someone else.

For that  will add that the case will not change. Following this exemple I will not add all kinds of counter exceptions for smart-ass answers :lol: .

 

Poll answer details:

Depends on percentage is for exemple when:

you'll team up if you do 60% and he does 40%, but you won't if its 90%-10%. ( This implies you'll rather do 100%)

[Shd0w2]

Is there a multiple choice option?

[Vitalius]

I voted yes.

I did this because: "You will have less work if you are paired with him."

It doesn't matter if he does 1% of the work and I do 99%. If I do less work, then I'm happy.

[mr moose]

Does this exclude the possibility that some people have a control complex and would naturally rather work alone or micromanage at the 90/10 rate?  this would have nothing to do with moral mutuality and more to do with internal personality traits and coping mechanisms for the current working environment.  

[Vitalius]

Does this exclude the possibility that some people have a control complex and would naturally rather work alone or micromanage at the 90/10 rate?  this would have nothing to do with moral mutuality and more to do with internal personality traits and coping mechanisms for the current working environment.  

This.

I am antisocial. I would hate actually having to communicate with the person. I would still do it because I'm more lazy than antisocial. But not everyone is like me. Being antisocial isn't about being moral.

[LOST TALE]

Does this exclude the possibility that some people have a control complex and would naturally rather work alone or micromanage at the 90/10 rate?  this would have nothing to do with moral mutuality and more to do with internal personality traits and coping mechanisms for the current working environment.  

what do you mean by micro manage?

[LOST TALE]

Is there a multiple choice option?

Why would you need that?

[Shd0w2]

I have no idea. 

[mr moose]

what do you mean by micro manage?

 

Micro management is where a person controls all of the finer details of a teams workload rather than allowing other team mates to reside over a small portion each.

 

If a person has a compulsion  to micro manage, then their answer to this question will be because of personal work ethics and control complexes rather than any perceived ideology about the fairness of workload splitting. 

 

In short the reason for the answer is irrelevant because the question about sharing the workload is moot.

[Hyydrah]

I voted yes.

I did this because: "You will have less work if you are paired with him."

It doesn't matter if he does 1% of the work and I do 99%. If I do less work, then I'm happy.

I agree, but suppose your partner is an arch-enemy. I may consider not working with them so that they would likely have to do more work.

[legopc]

yes but it also depends on wether i like the guy and what the thing is about 

[Vitalius]

I agree, but suppose your partner is an arch-enemy. I may consider not working with them so that they would likely have to do more work.

Then you missed this part:

-You have no reason to like or dislike the comrade, he is a neutral stranger to you.

[Hyydrah]

Then you missed this part:

-You have no reason to like or dislike the comrade, he is a neutral stranger to you.

I know it said that, that's why I said "suppose".

[MzCatieB]

Mutation is a step in evolution, its like Blue eyes and white skin, its all an evolutionary step and survival, if the mutation isn't successful there is no breeding, if there is no breeding the mutation doesn't become inherited.

[KaareKanin]

I voted yes.

I did this because: "You will have less work if you are paired with him."

It doesn't matter if he does 1% of the work and I do 99%. If I do less work, then I'm happy.

I see your point, but with an uneven distribution of work, the grade distribution will most likely be just as wrong. You can think of it in therms of you getting less work or in therms of helping someone getting a better grade, or as I do, you help messing up the system by allowing someone not worthy of a good grade to get a good grade. If the grade doesn't reflect the skill of the person who received it, then why even bother having grades to differentiate people?

[Vitalius]

I see your point, but with an uneven distribution of work, the grade distribution will most likely be just as wrong. You can think of it in therms of you getting less work or in therms of helping someone getting a better grade, or as I do, you help messing up the system by allowing someone not worthy of a good grade to get a good grade. If the grade doesn't reflect the skill of the person who received it, then why even bother having grades to differentiate people?

See, you guys are making it more complicated than necessary. 

Using strictly what the OP gives, this is my choice. 

Such a thing didn't matter to me because I assumed we would get grades the directly reflected the amount of actual work we did because the instructor new we would have different workloads. That's one of the criteria after all.

[KaareKanin]

See, you guys are making it more complicated than necessary. 

Using strictly what the OP gives, this is my choice. 

Such a thing didn't matter to me because I assumed we would get grades the directly reflected the amount of actual work we did because the instructor new we would have different workloads. That's one of the criteria after all.

Well, I'm arguing why it's not as black and white as "less work for me"

Also:

-Your comrade will work less then you will and get the same mark.

[Vitalius]

Well, I'm arguing why it's not as black and white as "less work for me"

Also:

And that doesn't matter because:

 

-You will have less work if you are paired with him (this includes team organisation and any kind of team-related problems)

It doesn't matter how much work he does less than me. 

Me working with him means I do less work. No matter how little work he does. 

[KaareKanin]

And that doesn't matter because:

 

It doesn't matter how much work he does less than me. 

Me working with him means I do less work. No matter how little work he does. 

 

Yes, but someone who is (or might be) shit at what you're doing gets the same grade as you, thus invalidating the entire grade (seeing as a grade is supposed to tell the good from the bad). You are better, but no-one will ever know. At a point you'll benefit more by doing a little extra work yourself and differentiate yourself from the other person

[LOST TALE]

Yes, but someone who is (or might be) shit at what you're doing gets the same grade as you, thus invalidating the entire grade (seeing as a grade is supposed to tell the good from the bad). You are better, but no-one will ever know. At a point you'll benefit more by doing a little extra work yourself and differentiate yourself from the other person

You'll still get the same grade if you are alone. See were im trying to get. straight to the question. ''would you sitll get into an unfair mutual relation?''

I tried to eliminate any other possible reasoning that would dodge the main question.

[mr moose]

You'll still get the same grade if you are alone. See were im trying to get. straight to the question. ''would you sitll get into an unfair mutual relation?''

I tried to eliminate any other possible reasoning that would dodge the main question.

but that's were it all falls apart, It is not an unfair relation because:

 

1. your marks don't change regardless of which option

2. then amount of work under the proposed criterion can only go down

3. it excludes the possibility that some people like to work alone and thus choosing to do so is not choosing against an unfair situation but rather choosing the comfort a safe/controlled workload.

 

And the in this context the words unfair and mutual cannot be used together. It will be either on or the other but never both.  

[KaareKanin]

You'll still get the same grade if you are alone. See were im trying to get. straight to the question. ''would you sitll get into an unfair mutual relation?''

I tried to eliminate any other possible reasoning that would dodge the main question.

I would get the same grade, but would the other person?

Edit: regardless of that too, I wouldn't have give the other person a free ride and I wouldn't have helped him cheat or mess up the system. Some discrepancies are ok, but I'm talking about large differences in work here

[LOST TALE]

but that's were it all falls apart, It is not an unfair relation because:

 

1. your marks don't change regardless of which option

2. then amount of work under the proposed criterion can only go down

3. it excludes the possibility that some people like to work alone and thus choosing to do so is not choosing against an unfair situation but rather choosing the comfort a safe/controlled workload.

 

And the in this context the words unfair and mutual cannot be used together. It will be either on or the other but never both.  

Well even with comfort and every possible advantage at their disposal. I know people who will refuse to engage in such relation because the other would get more advantage then they will.

I would get the same grade, but would the other person?

Edit: regardless of that too, I wouldn't have give the other person a free ride and I wouldn't have helped him cheat or mess up the system. Some discrepancies are ok, but I'm talking about large differences in work here

[virtualTune]

two brains are better than one, even if I end up doing all the work, I am certain my partner will have interesting inputs and hopefully contrasting opinions. Also, knowing that someone else's grade depends on me, will push me to work harder. 

[mr moose]

Well even with comfort and every possible advantage at their disposal. I know people who will refuse to engage in such relation because the other would get more advantage then they will.

So you've asked a question that has many ambiguous answers. I fail to see what the goal is?