GTX 1060 Strix OC 6GB underperforming in gaming?

[BalaBalance]

Before anything: Yes, I do know that a GTX 1060 is not considered a High end graphics card now a days, but I`m seriously worried that my performance is being altered, and I dont know why.

Hey guys, Bala here.I`ve just upgraded my old GTX 570HD to a GTX 1060 since it was more affordable, but I`m not sure how much my CPU is actually bottlenecking my GPU, or if there are any more problems in my set up.

It all began when trying to play GTA V, and my FPS wont go above 60 on the lowest settings, even though I have no limiters activated; my mouse lags a lot in the main screen, and in more demanding areas or when driving, I get around 45 to 50 fps max (I know this is not the Gaming Forum, but I would like some help to figure this one out).

Videos I recorded showing the issue (Sorry about the low quality. I recorded on 1080p, but youtube screwed me over and wont go above 480p for some reason).

 

After that I noticed that I`ve been getting frame drops in a lot of games:

Dota 2 - Highest Settings, 1920 X 1080 - Average of 100 fps, going up to 120 and as low as 75.

CS GO - Highest Settings, 1920 X 1080 - Average of 150 fps, going up to 240 and as low as 100.

Fornite - Epic Settings, 1920 X 1080 - Average of 100 fps, going up to 120 and as low as 75 (45 at tilted towers).

PUBG - Ultra Settings, 1920 X 1080 - Average of 60 fps, going up to 63 and as low as 42, mostly inside any buildings (low as 26 fps when falling off the plane).

             High Settings, 1920 X 1080 - Average of 60 fps, going up to 76 and as low as 50, mostly inside any buildings (low as 26 fps when falling off the plane).

GTA V - Highest Settings, 1920 X 1080 - Average of 50 fps, going up to 60 and as low as 45.

              Lowest Settings, 1920 X 1080 - Average of 60 fps, going up to 63 and as low as 45.

VRChat (since this card is supossed to be VR ready) - Highest Settings - Average of 45 fps, going up to 60 and as low as 35, with a lot of stuttering.

 

Computer on non-gaming and non work-loaded activities -

 

 

 

CineBench R15 Stress Tests -

OpenGL - 71.25 fps

CPU - 577

Temps and CPU usage -

 

 

My CPU wont get above 73C since I've got a water cooling solution, and I've never seen my GPU go over 75C (even though normally while gaming, it wont go over 65C).

 

Current set up:

IntelCore i7-3820 (not overclocked).

Asus P9X79 Motherboard

GTX 1060 Strix OC 6GB

16GB of DDR3 CL10 Black Vengence 1600Mhz RAM + 8G of CL9 Blue Vengence 1600Mhz Ram

Corsair TX750

 

Thanks guys.

Bala.

 

[MaxBunny]

2 minutes ago, BalaBalance said:

I know this is not the Gaming Forum,

It isn't? That's news.

 

Sounds like you have other things running that are causing your issues. A gt 1030 can max out gta 5. Your cpu seems beefy enough for it too unless a meltdown/spectre update gimped that.

 

Try using ram cleaning software. Sometimes you're only using 3-4GB but some programs or Windows sucks out 50-100% of their performance, slowing down everything else. Personally I use Razer Cortex and disable the other Boost options. Otherwise just look up any program/utility that does that.

[BalaBalance]

16 hours ago, MaxBunny said:

Sounds like you have other things running that are causing your issues.

Mainly, I have Adobe, Apple and Razer related products running in the background, as well as Discord, and the game itself, but the Ram usage wont go over 25%.

I`ve tried running Razer Cortex as well, and yes, I did notice and improviment in fps while running GTAV Benchmark, going up to 80 fps this time, but in more demanding areas, going as low as 45, and in game not noticing such an improviment.
Same goes for other games.
 

[Apepa]

16 hours ago, MaxBunny said:

A gt 1030 can max out gta 5.

Proof.

[Apepa]

@BalaBalance Download MSI Afterburner, that will show you what your GPU/CPU usage levels are when you're playing. It will also be easier to help you if we have more info on what is going on.

 

EDIT: Is your copy of Windows activated?

[BalaBalance]

5 minutes ago, Apepa said:

@BalaBalance that will show you what your GPU/CPU usage levels are when you're playing.

I know it`s hard to see, but in both GTAV videos, MSI Afterburner is running.
And it wasnt activated when I recorded since I had just upgraded. It`s now.

[RyzenDoctor]

Your GPU is not achieving its full potential as exhibited by the video you posted. the use % is under 50% most of the time.

A couple of thoughts of why this could happen:

1- Bad driver: Uninstall and reinstall the driver

2- A dying power supply/or not powerful enough: What kind of PSU do you have? are the 6/8 pin power connectors well attached? Is there a way to check the amperage on the 12V rail being delivered to your GFX card? If the PSU is unable to provide enough current, the GFX card will throttle

3- Are you sure Vsync is off?

[BalaBalance]

17 minutes ago, RyzenDoctor said:

Your GPU is not achieving its full potential as exhibited by the video you posted. the use % is under 50% most of the time.

A couple of thoughts of why this could happen:

1- Bad driver: Uninstall and reinstall the driver

2- A dying power supply/or not powerful enough: What kind of PSU do you have? are the 6/8 pin power connectors well attached? Is there a way to check the amperage on the 12V rail being delivered to your GFX card? If the PSU is unable to provide enough current, the GFX card will throttle

3- Are you sure Vsync is off?

https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/Categories/Products/Power-Supply-Units/TX-Series™-TX750-—-80-PLUS®-Bronze-Certified-750-Watt-High-Performance-Power-Supply/p/CP-9020042-NA 

 

Power supply specs are in the link posted above,
I`ve tried unplugging and replugging everything in as firm as possible, but it made no difference, and at this time I cant check the amperage, but will do as soon as possible.

And I`ve also tried to mess with v-sync option in nvidias control pannel; turning everything off or ajusting it to be adaptative, but it made no difference as FPS is concerned.

I`ve reinstalled my GPU`s drivers as well, but it still keeps the same.

[RyzenDoctor]

1 minute ago, BalaBalance said:

https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/Categories/Products/Power-Supply-Units/TX-Series™-TX750-—-80-PLUS®-Bronze-Certified-750-Watt-High-Performance-Power-Supply/p/CP-9020042-NA 

 

Power supply specs are in the link posted above,
I`ve tried unplugging and replugging everything in as firm as possible, but it made no difference, and at this time I cant check the amperage, but will do as soon as possible.

And I`ve also tried to mess with v-sync option in nvidias control pannel; turning everything off or ajusting it to be adaptative, but it made no difference as FPS is concerned.

I`ve reinstalled my GPU`s drivers as well, but it still keeps the same.

Have you removed vsync from GTA's gfx settings?

[RyzenDoctor]

[BalaBalance]

3 minutes ago, RyzenDoctor said:

Have you removed vsync from GTA's gfx settings?

Yes, it`s off. You can see it in the video as well.

[RyzenDoctor]

13 minutes ago, BalaBalance said:

Yes, it`s off. You can see it in the video as well.

I saw that... out of curiosity, is the XMP profile for your ram turned on? its in the BIOS... What kind of ram are you sporting?

[BalaBalance]

23 hours ago, RyzenDoctor said:

I saw that... out of curiosity, is the XMP profile for your ram turned on? its in the BIOS... What kind of ram are you sporting?

16GB of DDR3 CL10 Black Vengence 1600Mhz RAM + 8G of CL9 Blue Vengence 1600Mhz Ram

 

Ram - Slots 5 - 8:

 

Edited March 12, 2018 by BalaBalance
Ram speeds were off.

[xAcid9]

45 minutes ago, BalaBalance said:

16GB of DDR3 CL10 Black Vengence 1333Mhz RAM + 8G of CL9 Blue Vengence 1333Mhz Ram

Is it possible to overclock that RAM? I got significantly better min FPS in GTA:V by overclocking and tightening my RAM from 1600mhz to 1800mhz. 

[Darkseth]

19 hours ago, MaxBunny said:

A gt 1030 can max out gta 5.

True. With <5 fps maybe?

The game works. But it will not be smooth.

 

If You're talking about 60 fps, then you are wronger than wrong. No GPU exists today, that can max out GTA 5 with anywhere near 60 fps.

 

A Overclocked titan X (pascal) manages 22 fps~ in 1080p, maxed out. If you get more fps than that (with a slower GPU), then you are simply NOT running maxed out.

 

http://abload.de/image.php?img=gta5_2017_06_22_17_54p2up5.jpg

 

 

[i_build_nanosuits]

TURN OFF VSYNC

[RyzenDoctor]

2 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

Is it possible to overclock that RAM? I got significantly better min FPS in GTA:V by overclocking and tightening my RAM from 1600mhz to 1800mhz. 

Here is a suggestion I found online:

- Apply your XMP profile... But first, get rid of those weird 2 X 4gb RAM modules. Slot the 2 X 8 modules into DIMM B1 and D1 (Assuming youre running an Asus P9X79)

 

(http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA2011/P9X79/E8038_P9X79.pdf?_ga=2.242872642.1773680637.1520824613-1418198171.1483410085)

 

In your Bios, apply the XMP profile for those ram sticks. I wouldnt try overclocking anything yet. Just make sure its not your ram acting up by having a weird configuration.

 

Mixing rams with different timings and frequencies can be the source of your issues:

- The memory controller will have to slow down all the sticks to try to match the timings, and will likely drop the speed to match the lowest one

- Furthermore, there is a good chance it ends up running in single channel mode

 

Final edit:

Looking at your overall speed, its running at 667Mhz only, with a tRFC of 174 clocks, this is roughly 260nanoseconds to refresh a row. Typical values for DDR3 are in the range of 100-110 nanoseconds. Again, have only one kind of ram in the board, and in the right slots. Turn on XMP and see how it goes

[RyzenDoctor]

1 hour ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

TURN OFF VSYNC

It's off, see the GFX settings in his Video

[BalaBalance]

21 hours ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

TURN OFF VSYNC

As discussed before, I turned all V-sync options off on Nvidias control pannel, ajusted it to be adapatative in game, and turned off v-sync in GTA, but it made no difference.

[BalaBalance]

19 hours ago, RyzenDoctor said:

But first, get rid of those weird 2 X 4gb RAM modules.

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/Memory-High-Performance/Vengeance®-—-4GB-Single-Module-DDR3-Memory-Kit/p/CMZ4GX3M1A1600C9B

https://www.corsair.com/en-us/vengeance-8gb-ddr3-memory-kit-cmz8gx3m1a1600c10

I got both Vengence Memory kits from Corsair, and it seems like the only difference between CL9 Blue and CL10 Black is the limit of ram, being Blue up to 4GB and Black up to 8G.

And actually, all memory sticks are the same frequency, 1600Mhz, not 1333 Mhz as mentioned before (will edit that out), but I am not sure about the timing.

 

But going back to my original question: is it my ram actually making my 1060 perform poorly, or could it be another thing?
I just upgraded my graphics card, but have been using this 24GB combo for over 2 years now, and it has never ocurred my any problems in that aspect.

[RyzenDoctor]

1 hour ago, BalaBalance said:

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/Memory-High-Performance/Vengeance®-—-4GB-Single-Module-DDR3-Memory-Kit/p/CMZ4GX3M1A1600C9B

https://www.corsair.com/en-us/vengeance-8gb-ddr3-memory-kit-cmz8gx3m1a1600c10

I got both Vengence Memory kits from Corsair, and it seems like the only difference between CL9 Blue and CL10 Black is the limit of ram, being Blue up to 4GB and Black up to 8G.

And actually, all memory sticks are the same frequency, 1600Mhz, not 1333 Mhz as mentioned before (will edit that out), but I am not sure about the timing.

 

But going back to my original question: is it my ram actually making my 1060 perform poorly, or could it be another thing?
I just upgraded my graphics card, but have been using this 24GB combo for over 2 years now, and it has never ocurred my any problems in that aspect.

There is only one way of knowing... the issue with ram timings is complicated. Having non identical sticks in the same machine causes the memory controller to slow things down. It may have been fine with your older card, but with the addition of a faster card you may be seeing a ram bottleneck. 

 

Let me know if that fixes it. 

 

If not, check the PSU amperage... maybe reinstall drivers/windows as a last resort

[RyzenDoctor]

Actually forget about the PSU. Your GTX 570HD was drawing upwards of 200 watts previously whereas the 1060 sips a maximum of 120 watts. So unless you broke your PSU during the switch, electrical current delivery should not be your problem.

 

Let me know if switching the ram around does the trick as you've gotten me quite invested in this  ROFL 

[xAcid9]

15 hours ago, BalaBalance said:

And actually, all memory sticks are the same frequency, 1600Mhz, not 1333 Mhz as mentioned before (will edit that out), but I am not sure about the timing.

Are you sure? Because CPU-Z show the memory was running @1333mhz

 

On 3/12/2018 at 8:27 AM, BalaBalance said:

 

[RyzenDoctor]

50 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

Are you sure? Because CPU-Z show the memory was running @1333mhz

 

 

He really needs to get rid of the mix n' match ram setup he has. CPU-Z essentially shows that everything is being slowed down by this set up (yeah they're not running at 1600 either), whether thats the origin of the problem will only be revealed when he uses matching sticks in the proper slots. 

 

If Ryzen has taught me one thing, is that regardless of what's printed on the ram sticks, your memory controller decides how fast the ram can go (if at all). My matching 3200Mhz DDR4 sticks wont go above 3000Mhz in any stable fashion, but they'll run with appropriate timings... I can't fathom what a Ryzen system would do with mixed ram... Hmm maybe someone should experiment 

[BalaBalance]

4 hours ago, RyzenDoctor said:

Actually forget about the PSU. Your GTX 570HD was drawing upwards of 200 watts previously whereas the 1060 sips a maximum of 120 watts. So unless you broke your PSU during the switch, electrical current delivery should not be your problem.

Besides this main set up, I also have plug into my computer a dual monitor set up (A 21 LCD Samsung Monitor and a 27 LCD TV Samsung Monitor), a Razer Chroma Keybord and a Razer Naga Hex v1, as well as a Yamada Mixer, my printer and sometimes A logitch C920 HD webcam, and it has always holded up just fine.