What goes best with 1070ti

[w0zzer]

Hello guys,

 

So i've been planning for a while now upgrading my old 4670k with a gtx770 to something more powerfull. I was thinking on using the 1070ti (after reviews it look the better perfomance/quality ratio) with the 8700k. However after googling and going to bottlenecker.com it said that this setup could produce some bottleneck. 

 

So my question is, what should i do? Going for 8600k or 7700k? Will 8700k really produce bottleneck?

 

Best regards

[seon123]

Depends on what you're doing with the PC. 

Bottlenecking is a stupid term. Simply means all the parts aren't utilised 100%. 

[Lennart van de Merwe]

5 minutes ago, w0zzer said:

Hello guys,

 

So i've been planning for a while now upgrading my old 4670k with a gtx770 to something more powerfull. I was thinking on using the 1070ti (after reviews it look the better perfomance/quality ratio) with the 8700k. However after googling and going to bottlenecker.com it said that this setup could produce some bottleneck. 

 

So my question is, what should i do? Going for 8600k or 7700k? Will 8700k really produce bottleneck?

 

Best regards

the 8600K won't bottleneck the 1070ti. Btw the 8600K is better then the 7700K in multicore and singlecore performance. Btw don't buy a 1070ti, just go for a gtx 1080 (non ti)

[w0zzer]

seon123 first of all, thank you for response. The pc is mainly for gaming. Also, to use some PLC programming software but the softwares are not that heavy. The idea is too have a pc that allow me playing games for next 5 years at least. It really dont need to be ultra high , but just a maximum 1500€ setup that allow me some years of joy

[knightslugger]

3 minutes ago, w0zzer said:

The idea is too have a pc that allow me playing games for next 5 years at least.

Then you're getting the wrong GPU friend. 5 years is a long time, because we're already a year+ into the Pascals. If you're going to be buying today and wont upgrade for 5 years, you had better be looking at a 1080ti.

 

of course, we all have different levels of acceptance when it comes to gameplay... YRMV.

[w0zzer]

Just now, knightslugger said:

Then you're getting the wrong GPU friend. 5 years is a long time, because we're already a year+ into the Pascals. If you're going to be buying today and wont upgrade for 5 years, you had better be looking at a 1080ti.

Yeah but like i said, it really dont need to be Ultra high quality. My gtx770 is going to make 5 years this year (if im not mistaken i bought in 2013) and still runs the majority of games. Of course not on ultra, but medium. I dont know, but i really didnt want to pass the 1500€ mark 

[w0zzer]

9 minutes ago, Lennart van de Merwe said:

the 8600K won't bottleneck the 1070ti. Btw the 8600K is better then the 7700K in multicore and singlecore performance. Btw don't buy a 1070ti, just go for a gtx 1080 (non ti)

So are you saying 8600k with 1080? With the money i save in the CPU i could do that. Makes so many difference to the 1070ti?

[knightslugger]

Just now, w0zzer said:

Yeah but like i said, it really dont need to be Ultra high quality. My gtx770 is going to make 5 years this year (if im not mistaken i bought in 2013) and still runs the majority of games. Of course not on ultra, but medium. I dont know, but i really didnt want to pass the 1500€ mark 

well they aren't getting any less resource intensive... It's your choice, ultimately, what you are comfortable with playing.

 

If you're going to build a whole new system, you might as well build it with the latest generation. My vote is 8600k.

[Jurrunio]

For the CPU, the Ryzen 5 1600 is the cheapest option to pair with a 1070ti atm, while the more expensive, better at games but on a short living platform is the Intel equivalent, the i5-8400. However, Ryzen 2 is coming in April with some improvements, as well as B and H chipset motherboards (so cheaper than current Z370 ones) for locked 8th gen CPUs. Might want to wait for reviews and price of those parts to be released.

 

If you pair a locked 8th gen CPU and use a Z370 mobo, you can use MCE (multicore enhancement), basically forcing the CPU to run at its maximum turbo clock on all cores if needed even under full load. This is why using an 8700 with a Z370 mobo is also a good option since 4.6GHz on all 6 cores is already enough to last 5 years, very likely more than that.

[w0zzer]

1 minute ago, knightslugger said:

well they aren't getting any less resource intensive... It's your choice, ultimately, what you are comfortable with playing.

 

If you're going to build a whole new system, you might as well build it with the latest generation. My vote is 8600k.

Thank you so much for you kind reply!

[Jurrunio]

12 minutes ago, Lennart van de Merwe said:

Btw don't buy a 1070ti, just go for a gtx 1080 (non ti)

1070ti has 95% of performance of a 1080 under the same clock speed and both are overclockable. @w0zzerJust get the cheaper one.

[w0zzer]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

For the CPU, the Ryzen 5 1600 is the cheapest option to pair with a 1070ti atm, while the more expensive, better at games but on a short living platform is the Intel equivalent, the i5-8400. However, Ryzen 2 is coming in April with some improvements, as well as B and H chipset motherboards (so cheaper than current Z370 ones) for locked 8th gen CPUs. Might want to wait for reviews and price of those parts to be released.

 

If you pair a locked 8th gen CPU and use a Z370 mobo, you can use MCE (multicore enhancement), basically forcing the CPU to run at its maximum turbo clock on all cores if needed even under full load. This is why using an 8700 with a Z370 mobo is also a good option since 4.6GHz on all 6 cores is already enough to last 5 years, very likely more than that.

wow, never thought that way! I dont know how realiabe bottlenecker.com is, it says that 8700 with 1070ti produce 9% bottleneck. My idea was always OC the CPU when it starts to become obsolete, but yours is not that bad actually. Should i wait for ryzen 2 benchmarks? 

 

Finally, thanks for your responses

[Jurrunio]

6 minutes ago, w0zzer said:

wow, never thought that way! I dont know how realiabe bottlenecker.com is, it says that 8700 with 1070ti produce 9% bottleneck. My idea was always OC the CPU when it starts to become obsolete, but yours is not that bad actually. Should i wait for ryzen 2 benchmarks? 

 

Finally, thanks for your responses

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bottlenecker.com only gives a basic view on issues. Bottleneck depends on the game, in which the same system can have CPU and GPU bottlenecks at different times. As for OC the CPU when it's obsolete, that's exactly what I did to my system. For 8th gen though, let's say you do go for the 8700+Z370 route. Since 8th gen 6 core parts run at about 5GHz while staying within safe voltage limit for long-term use (1.35V), overclocking only gives an extra 400Mhz here, or 8.7% extra performance. If 8700 on 4.6GHz is slow, then 8700k at 5GHz isnt any better.

[w0zzer]

25 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

bottlenecker.com only gives a basic view on issues. Bottleneck depends on the game, in which the same system can have CPU and GPU bottlenecks at different times. As for OC the CPU when it's obsolete, that's exactly what I did to my system. For 8th gen though, let's say you do go for the 8700+Z370 route. Since 8th gen 6 core parts run at about 5GHz while staying within safe voltage limit for long-term use (1.35V), overclocking only gives an extra 400Mhz here, or 8.7% extra performance. If 8700 on 4.6GHz is slow, then 8700k at 5GHz isnt any better.

So bottlenecker affirming that 8700 with 1070ti produces 9% bottleneck is in worst case scenario? And even maybe a GPU OC will reduce that risk no? Do you think i should wait and see what zen+ brings or go for 8700 or even 8600k? And sorry for so many questions.

[Jurrunio]

5 hours ago, w0zzer said:

So bottlenecker affirming that 8700 with 1070ti produces 9% bottleneck is in worst case scenario?

yes. I mean, people are pairing 1080ti with 8700...

 

5 hours ago, w0zzer said:

Do you think i should wait and see what zen+ brings or go for 8700 or even 8600k?

For Zen+, you should if you can wait. Launch date is just April

 

8600k needs a better cooler to handle the heat after overclocking than an 8700 will need. It will still win in gaming performance, but you have to spend tuning the overclock while the 8700 feels more like plug n' play