Ryzen 5 Stability Issues

[Inversion]

Hi, I'm having trouble getting my new Ryzen 5 system to be stable at higher memory clocks.

 

Specs:

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600 @ Stock

MOBO: ASUS Prime B350 Plus

RAM: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz (F4-3200C16-16GTZR)

 

I've managed to get it stable at 2666MHz and I've run a LinX and Prime95 Stress Test but haven't tried gaming yet. I would really like to get up to 2800+ MHz so any insight would be greatly appreciated. In case you hadn't guessed, I'm new to memory overclocking.

[Thermosman]

Well that is gonna be hard, especially on ryzen. Did you also adjust the timings and voltages?

[Nah Xirok]

Have you tried loading the XMP profile?

[Inversion]

16 hours ago, Thermosman said:

Well that is gonna be hard, especially on ryzen. Did you also adjust the timings and voltages?

I've tried the voltage but I have never done anything with timings so don't know what way to adjust them or how much.

 

16 hours ago, Nah Xirok said:

Have you tried loading the XMP profile?

Yeah it just refused to boot and bumped the RAM down to 2133 in safe mode

[InertiaSelling]

Have you increased the voltage?

 

EDIT: Nevermind, your last two messages hadn't appeared.

[Inversion]

Just now, InertiaSelling said:

Have you increased the voltage?

Yeah to no effect. Still either hung system or BSOD

[Thermosman]

intended timing are 16-18-18-38

set voltage to 1.35v

set speed to 3200

[Inversion]

Just now, Thermosman said:

intended timing are 16-18-18-38

set voltage to 1.35v

set speed to 3200

I did that. Just failed to boot

[Thermosman]

its not gonna be easy to get it to speed. You are going to have to play around with the settings a lot to get it to work, play around with the other voltages

[Inversion]

1 minute ago, Thermosman said:

its not gonna be easy to get it to speed. You are going to have to play around with the settings a lot to get it to work, play around with the other voltages

Which voltages should i adjust?

 

[Thermosman]

Personnally for my corsair vengance lpx 3000 i have vram 1.4v and cldo_vddp at 1.2v. Also, bump the vcore to 1.35

[stefanDB]

have you updated your BIOS?

 

[Inversion]

16 hours ago, Thermosman said:

Personnally for my corsair vengance lpx 3000 i have vram 1.4v and cldo_vddp at 1.2v. Also, bump the vcore to 1.35

I'll give that a shot. I know my DRAM Voltage is lower than that. Thanks 

 

16 hours ago, stefanDB said:

have you updated your BIOS?

Yeah downloaded and installed the latest release from ASUS

[DocSwag]

Try the ram's rated timings and voltage but change frequency to something like 2933. You could also try bumping up Soc voltage.

[Inversion]

6 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Try the ram's rated timings and voltage but change frequency to something like 2933. You could also try bumping up Soc voltage.

Thanks. I'll give it a shot.

[Ebony Falcon]

Try 2993 and 1.2 soc 1.4dram 

i have the hero 6 board but I don't think the other asus boards are up to date as much as this one so try thoes settings 

best of luck

[Inversion]

I just realised I hadn't updated to the latest version on Windows and was using one from 2015 (USB Installer from first build). Gonna do an update and see if that helps.

[Nah Xirok]

The SoC tip is a good idea.  I will also say that my board has excellent memory compatibility and one thing I noticed is that it has load line calibration for dram enabled out of the box.  If you have that option for dram I'd give the first level or 2 a try.  The other thing you could look into is vboot.  It can help with the initial booting of the RAM.  Do some research though as I'm not sure offhand how to use this setting (or if your board even has it).  But I've read in some forums of people having success with this.

[Emberstone]

20 hours ago, DocSwag said:

You could also try bumping up Soc voltage.

 

4 hours ago, Nah Xirok said:

The SoC tip is a good idea.

The Asus Prime B350-Plus already bumps the SOC voltage to 1.1v automatically when it detects memory overclocking (I believe the threshold is going past 2666 MHz for this to happen, but I could be wrong.)

 

You could bump it to 1.2v, but I wouldn't go beyond that. I had issues with memory compatibility and nothing I did fixed it, from changing voltages, manually setting timings, loosening timings, messing with command rate, adjusting ProcODT, etc. You might end up in the same boat, OP. Welcome to Ryzen.

[Nah Xirok]

58 minutes ago, Emberstone said:

 

The Asus Prime B350-Plus already bumps the SOC voltage to 1.1v automatically when it detects memory overclocking (I believe the threshold is going past 2666 MHz for this to happen, but I could be wrong.)

 

You could bump it to 1.2v, but I wouldn't go beyond that. I had issues with memory compatibility and nothing I did fixed it, from changing voltages, manually setting timings, loosening timings, messing with command rate, adjusting ProcODT, etc. You might end up in the same boat, OP. Welcome to Ryzen.

Yeah it can depend on what individual processor you got, the ram, and the motherboard.  I think I was probably lucky myself but then again I do have a premium x370 board.

[Jon Jon]

On 1/5/2018 at 8:30 AM, Inversion said:

Hi, I'm having trouble getting my new Ryzen 5 system to be stable at higher memory clocks.

 

Specs:

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600 @ Stock

MOBO: ASUS Prime B350 Plus

RAM: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz (F4-3200C16-16GTZR)

 

I've managed to get it stable at 2666MHz and I've run a LinX and Prime95 Stress Test but haven't tried gaming yet. I would really like to get up to 2800+ MHz so any insight would be greatly appreciated. In case you hadn't guessed, I'm new to memory overclocking.

Sadly you are stuck to what your motherboard can support for the specific RAM sticks.

 

Ryzen memory support is pretty locked to the motherboard as the motherboard tends to compensate for the memory controller on Ryzen a bit.

 

I would make sure your BIOS is up to date and check the QVL for your motherboard to make sure the RAM is supported and at what speed it is supported at.

 

You can get lucky, but with Ryzen, if you want fast RAM speeds, you really need to research what RAM you are buying at the support for your motherboard at your desired speed.

[mlung]

On 1/5/2018 at 8:30 AM, Inversion said:

Hi, I'm having trouble getting my new Ryzen 5 system to be stable at higher memory clocks.

 

Specs:

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600 @ Stock

MOBO: ASUS Prime B350 Plus

RAM: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz (F4-3200C16-16GTZR)

 

I've managed to get it stable at 2666MHz and I've run a LinX and Prime95 Stress Test but haven't tried gaming yet. I would really like to get up to 2800+ MHz so any insight would be greatly appreciated. In case you hadn't guessed, I'm new to memory overclocking.

You may not be able to boot at 3200MHz with that ram because I believe the CAS 16 version of that ram (which is what you have) is Hynix ram.  Hynix ram usually DOES NOT BOOT stably with Ryzen at 3200MHz.  The highest I have seen hynix ram go is 2966MHz, even though it says it can go 3200MHz.  You need to find Samsung B-die ram such as G.Skill Flare X or faster Trident Z ram.  

[Emberstone]

5 hours ago, mlung said:

The highest I have seen hynix ram go is 2966MHz, even though it says it can go 3200MHz.

My RAM uses Hynix dies and is dual rank 3200 memory (F4-3200C16D-8GVKB), and I had it stable at 3066 MHz for months. BIOS version 3401 on the B350-Plus changed that though, and made 3066 unstable, forcing me to 2933 when I was still using Ryzen.

[Nah Xirok]

13 hours ago, mlung said:

You may not be able to boot at 3200MHz with that ram because I believe the CAS 16 version of that ram (which is what you have) is Hynix ram.  Hynix ram usually DOES NOT BOOT stably with Ryzen at 3200MHz.  The highest I have seen hynix ram go is 2966MHz, even though it says it can go 3200MHz.  You need to find Samsung B-die ram such as G.Skill Flare X or faster Trident Z ram.  

You are correct according to this page.  I didn't even realize that different models of Trident Z weren't Samsung ICs.  Good thing I got the CL14 version.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

 

[mlung]

1 hour ago, Nah Xirok said:

You are correct according to this page.  I didn't even realize that different models of Trident Z weren't Samsung ICs.  Good thing I got the CL14 version.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

 

Yup that explains why you have no problem hitting 3200MHz.