(for me) huge pc project 3000€ watercooled

[Gnomo]

Hello.

I got myself requested to build another pc. This time a BIG thing going to be build around late january/early feb.
The Budget ~3000€, buying in germany. We are talking about tower only. It shall be watercooled and oced if oc parts are included. It is build by me, no pre-built.
The Aim is prof. work. , atleast 12 threads are required, also 32gb of ram. (Thinking of TR4?)
Peripherals are NOT needed.

It is no upgrade but an additional PC for the increased workload and watercooled.... well, because they ask for it?

As for the case we would like to include the Primo SE black/white in the build but other ideas are also welcome. I got told they have "dust issues" and there should be as much dust filters as possible and easy as possible cleaning.
I would go with ZMT.

Performance is more important than looks.

I am also just starting with it and getting first ideas but I often got great ideas here and hope you will help me once again with great ideas. This is what I thought of for watercooling and pc parts

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Threadripper 1920X 3.5GHz 12-Core Processor  (€685.00 @ ARLT)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X399-A EATX TR4 Motherboard  (€310.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  (€147.46 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  (€147.46 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€123.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card  (€529.90 @ Alza)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Primo ATX Full Tower Case  (€239.90 @ Caseking)
Power Supply: be quiet! - Dark Power Pro 11 1000W 80+ Platinum Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€217.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €2402.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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[Crunchy Dragon]

Honestly, if you're going to watercool your whole PC you might as well make it look good. I personally would throw in some LEDs and maybe some RGB and a colored coolant.

 

Other than that, I think it looks pretty good. Although why would you get dual 16Gb kits instead of one 32Gb kit?

[seon123]

What's the build for? Gaming? Streaming? WS? 

[Drake10114]

Probably better off getting 2x16gb or 4x8 for the Ram, and perhaps 3000Mhz and up. Having not filled all the slots allows for minor upgrades in the future of ram needs to be increased.

And yeah, make it look cool lol.

Good luck

[Walt]

If it's for professional work I wouldn't suggest to do a custom watercooled build. Just take a Noctua NH-D15 and you're fine. If they don't know anything about PC's it will be difficult to repair something if it's broken. You can also give them better parts.

[stealth80]

As others have said, go with 8gb ram sticks. 

[Drake10114]

28 minutes ago, Walt said:

If it's for professional work I wouldn't suggest to do a custom watercooled build. Just take a Noctua NH-D15 and you're fine. If they don't know anything about PC's it will be difficult to repair something if it's broken. You can also give them better parts.

Yeah, this is definitely a thing to consider.

Air Cooling is less risky and if it's for work, risk is something you try to avoid. and considering how painful some loops are to do maintenance, it'd be better to get a good air cooler, so future upgrades and/or maintenance are easy to do.

[Streetguru]

1 hour ago, Gnomo said:

 

Looks fine, but you should look into the Core X9 from Thermal take potentially. Lots of room for water cooling

Otherwise get 4x8 GBs of RAM.

[brob]

A 1920X has twice as many threads as required which raises the question of just how is the system going to be used. It makes a real difference as more cores does not necessarily mean higher performance.

[Gnomo]

Hey guys and if so girls!

Thanks already, I talked with my customer and can say a bit more now.
Here is another pc with the following specs I built him and he says he wants more threads and slightly more gpu power for the new machine
Ryzen 1700x
Gigabyte Aorus x370
Dark Rock Pro 3
Samsung 960EVO256gb
G. Skill Ripjaws 3200 CL 14 4x8gb
GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Palit KalmX

 

21 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Honestly, if you're going to watercool your whole PC you might as well make it look good. I personally would throw in some LEDs and maybe some RGB and a colored coolant.

 

Other than that, I think it looks pretty good. Although why would you get dual 16Gb kits instead of one 32Gb kit?

Yea, I just told you what I got told to, performance over look. I aim for making it look good anyway in a black and white build but without rgb.
Coolant white and white led strips were my idea.

Because there are basicly no 8x4gb kits and I thought of going 8 sticks for looks.

21 hours ago, seon123 said:

What's the build for? Gaming? Streaming? WS? 

Here my "customer" told me the workload are multiple TS Servers, Minecraft and VMs. Maximum gaming load he wants Minecraft runnning at 5760x1080.(which his 1050 ti seems to handle already pretty nice, he used a 750ti for a long time)

21 hours ago, Drake10114 said:

Probably better off getting 2x16gb or 4x8 for the Ram, and perhaps 3000Mhz and up. Having not filled all the slots allows for minor upgrades in the future of ram needs to be increased.

And yeah, make it look cool lol.

Good luck

I think quad channel is a must, but I will look into 4x8gb kits. 3200MHz with 4 or even 8 sticks is stable at TR4?
I think you must think different here, if they need more power they buy more pcs. It is strange but I helped them now for probably a year and they keep doing that instead of upgrading, seems to be something with taxes why they do that.

20 hours ago, Walt said:

If it's for professional work I wouldn't suggest to do a custom watercooled build. Just take a Noctua NH-D15 and you're fine. If they don't know anything about PC's it will be difficult to repair something if it's broken. You can also give them better parts.

Yea, would have done the same, but they want watercooling and there a custom loop for some reason. Talked with them a lot yesterday,
They even think about a MO-RA3 Pro 420 now and want an external cooling solution and coupling system to take the mo-ra3 seperatly and clean it.

20 hours ago, Drake10114 said:

Yeah, this is definitely a thing to consider.

Air Cooling is less risky and if it's for work, risk is something you try to avoid. and considering how painful some loops are to do maintenance, it'd be better to get a good air cooler, so future upgrades and/or maintenance are easy to do.

I sure know and told them and they are happy with the air cooled builds I made for them, but this time they ask for watercooling.

19 hours ago, Streetguru said:

Looks fine, but you should look into the Core X9 from Thermal take potentially. Lots of room for water cooling

Otherwise get 4x8 GBs of RAM.

will look into it, but since they now want external cooling I may start over completly. Yea, will look into RAM.

9 hours ago, brob said:

A 1920X has twice as many threads as required which raises the question of just how is the system going to be used. It makes a real difference as more cores does not necessarily mean higher performance.

As said before, VMs and different Servers with basicly little gpu power needed, a 24 thread cpu seems to be perfect for such workload.
The 1950X seems to be out of budget range.

Since they want an external cooling solution with the MO-RA3 Pro 420 I have to start over again anyway. Advice is appreciated, thanks already for the advice I already got from you.

[brob]

If the customer wants it, I suppose they get it. But I have to say that the cooling solution strikes me as overly complex and requiring more frequent maintenance than necessary..

 

I wonder if the customer is aware that a) it is not possible to cool below the ambient temperature with a radiator, and b) there is generally an upper limit to cpu clocks regardless of how cool they can run.

 

A good air tower like the NH-U14S TR4-SP3 will provide excellent cooling and is more tolerant of dust than a radiator. And if better cooling really is needed, put the system in an air conditioned room kept around 20C.

[Gnomo]

2 hours ago, brob said:

If the customer wants it, I suppose they get it. But I have to say that the cooling solution strikes me as overly complex and requiring more frequent maintenance than necessary..

 

I wonder if the customer is aware that a) it is not possible to cool below the ambient temperature with a radiator, and b) there is generally an upper limit to cpu clocks regardless of how cool they can run.

 

A good air tower like the NH-U14S TR4-SP3 will provide excellent cooling and is more tolerant of dust than a radiator. And if better cooling really is needed, put the system in an air conditioned room kept around 20C.

I absolutly know that and discussed it with them, but they want a custom cooling solution with a mo-ra3 pro with 18 fans...
well, when they pay for it and think they know it better they get that. maybe next pc they will go air again. I am not happy with it either, believe me.

I mean a cool running tr4 running 24/7 is a great thing sure but I think there are better cooling concepts, as well with water cooling.

But I can't change the customer and he pays me... so, let's face it, great parts used badly.
Still I have to built it somehow with quick cuppling concept between desktop and mo-ra3.

[brob]

At least it's an interesting project. 

 

 

[Gnomo]

An interesting project, but thanks god I managed to tell them that it was stupid what they wanted...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Xeon E5-1650 V4 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  (€578.00)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool - CAPTAIN 360EX WHITE RGB 229.6 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€149.00)
Motherboard: ASRock - X99 Taichi ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  (€218.69 @ Alza)
Memory: Crucial - 32GB (4 x 8GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory  (€300.72)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Pro 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€124.00)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Pro 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€124.00)
Storage: Western Digital - Gold 8TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€289.90 @ Caseking)
Storage: Western Digital - Gold 8TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€289.90 @ Caseking)
Storage: Western Digital - Gold 8TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€289.90 @ Caseking)
Storage: Western Digital - Gold 8TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€289.90 @ Caseking)
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX VEGA 56 8GB NITRO+ Video Card  (€799.00)
Case: Fractal Design - Define R6 White TG ATX Mid Tower Case  (€150.00)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Platinum 850W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€139.00)
Total: €3742.01
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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This is what would be aimed for right now.
Anyone has any comments on it? Sure happy to hear improvements, but else this would be the idea to go for
HDD in Raid 5, SSD in RAID 1

[brob]

Raid 5 is not a good idea for large drives, e.g. over 2TB. The problem is that while an array rebuild is taking place another error loses the entire array. Time to rebuild larger drives is usually measured in days.

 

Given Intel RST, RAID 10 seems to be the best alternative at the moment. Of course it is significantly more expensive.