Help me plan my upgrade, please!

[Silver47]

Since I'm getting a new GPU (GTX 1070) soon and also want to up my PCs physics simulation/rendering/CAD capability I've decided to also upgrade the rest of my system and get a 6-core/12-thread CPU.

 

Here are my options:

 

#1 Buy an Intel Core i7 3930k and a high-end X79 mainboard used.

• Pros: Ridiculously cheap 6-core CPU (about 100€ ~ 120$ where I live), ridiculously cheap high-end X79 MBs around (I could get one for 100€ from a friend), allready have pretty good DDR3 RAM, great overclocking, there isn't really an upgrade path to speak of (there are 8-core/16-thread xeons for X79 around though)
• Cons: IPC is even worse than Ryzen lul, not really an upgrade path, no warranty at all due to german zivil consumer laws
• Total cost of upgrading: ~200€ (VERY tempting price to performance?)

 

#2 Buy an Intel Core i7 5820k and an entry-level X99 mainboard used.

• Pros: Better performance than a R5 1600X while it costs about the same, way better performance than a i7 3930k, somewhat current architecture, excellent upgrade path all the way up to a 10-core/20-thread CPU, very decent overclocking
• Cons: relatively expensive option, would need to buy very expensive DDR4 RAM, no warranty except for the RAM, more than twice the price of a 3930k
• Total cost of upgrade: ~500€ (CPU: 220, RAM: 160, MB: 120) 

 

#3 "Dude, just buy a Ryzen" Purchase a R5 1600X and a X370 mainboard new.

• Pros: A bit cheaper than a 5820k while only slightly slower, faster than a 3930k, very capable overall, get to learn about overclocking on a new architecture, possibly(!) a very good upgrade path (who knows what Ryzen 2 might bring us - maybe 16-cores/32-threads? Otherwise at least a relatively affordable 8-core/16-thread), warranty for all the parts
• Cons: Most expensive option, doesn't overclock well, needs DDR4 RAM, still not as well developed of a platform, would need a new cooling solution, also more than twice the price of a 3930k
• Total cost of upgrade: ~550€ (CPU: 220, RAM: 160, MB: 130, decent air cooler: 40) (also, ouch... My poor wallet)

 

What I don't want / what's not an option: 

1. Coffe Lake. Way to expensive here in Germany, if you can get one at all.
2. X299/2066 It's bullshit and no one should support intel for their crap.
3. B350 mainboards. I wan't all the features and all the overclocking from my mainboards.

 

What do you guys think would be the best option? All help and all comments are appreciated, thanks in advance!

 

Edit:

What I allready have:

Intel Core i7 4770k

4x4GB of DDR3 Corsair 1866 RAM Supports OC Profiles

Asus Z87 Deluxe Mainboard

GTX 1060 6GB soon to be replaced by a 1070

750W Corsair PSU

Corsair H80

960 GB Corsair SSD

[Guest]

Still would choose ryzen. The OC is not bad if you have a good enough cooler. I would bet that ryzen 1600x at 4.2ghz is faster than the 5820k.

[Silver47]

4 minutes ago, Almostbauws said:

I would bet that ryzen 1600x at 4.2ghz is faster than the 5820k.

Thats what I thought, but if so not by much. Also I haven't really found any real benchmarks and with the Corsair H80 which I allready have hitting 4.8 Ghz on the 5820k shouldn't be a problem. What do you think about the 3930k? I mean its ridiculously cheap, the whole thing would cost less than either a 5820k or a R5 1600X

 

[Mooshi]

4 minutes ago, Almostbauws said:

Still would choose ryzen. The OC is not bad if you have a good enough cooler. I would bet that ryzen 1600x at 4.2ghz is faster than the 5820k.

4.2Ghz on Ryzen is asking a lot. Most top around 3.8Ghz, 4Ghz if you're lucky.

[Guest]

Just now, black0utm1rage said:

Thats what I thought, but if so not by much. Also I haven't really found any real benchmarks and with the Corsair H80 which I allready have hitting 4.8 Ghz on the 5820k shouldn't be a problem. What do you think about the 3930k?

 

See at some benchmarks and see if it is even a upgrade. I think that a modern 4core us better than this 6 core, but i havent encounterex it.

[DocSwag]

7 minutes ago, Almostbauws said:

Still would choose ryzen. The OC is not bad if you have a good enough cooler. I would bet that ryzen 1600x at 4.2ghz is faster than the 5820k.

The problem is you can't exactly get it to 4.2 ghz without going sub ambient.

[Guest]

Just now, DocSwag said:

The problem is you can't exactly get it to 4.2 ghz without going sub ambient.

Even at 3.9 ryzen ipc is better than 5820k.

[DocSwag]

Just now, Almostbauws said:

Even at 3.9 ryzen ipc is better than 5820k.

Source? I've always had the impression Ryzen ipc is close to haswell, so an OCed 5820k should be 10% ish faster than an OCed 1600/1600x

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Source? I've always had the impression Ryzen ipc is close to haswell, so an OCed 5820k should be 10% ish faster than an OCed 1600/1600x

Yeah i researched it again and you are right. Heavily oc 5820k ipc is 5-10% faster than 1600x. 

[Guest]

The 3930k is 130watts, while 1600 is 65 watts. But i watched some benchmakrs, and it is still perfectly fast, it is over 2 times cheaper, but only 20% slower. Just try not to get scammed.

[Alketbi67]

51 minutes ago, black0utm1rage said:

Since I'm getting a new GPU (GTX 1070) soon and also want to up my PCs physics simulation/rendering/CAD capability I've decided to also upgrade the rest of my system and get a 6-core/12-thread CPU.

 

Here are my options:

 

#1 Buy an Intel Core i7 3930k and a high-end X79 mainboard used.

• Pros: Ridiculously cheap 6-core CPU (about 100€ ~ 120$ where I live), ridiculously cheap high-end X79 MBs around (I could get one for 100€ from a friend), allready have pretty good DDR3 RAM, great overclocking, there isn't really an upgrade path to speak of (there are 8-core/16-thread xeons for X79 around though)
• Cons: IPC is even worse than Ryzen lul, not really an upgrade path, no warranty at all due to german zivil consumer laws
• Total cost of upgrading: ~200€ (VERY tempting price to performance?)

 

#2 Buy an Intel Core i7 5820k and an entry-level X99 mainboard used.

• Pros: Better performance than a R5 1600X while it costs about the same, way better performance than a i7 3930k, somewhat current architecture, excellent upgrade path all the way up to a 10-core/20-thread CPU, very decent overclocking
• Cons: relatively expensive option, would need to buy very expensive DDR4 RAM, no warranty except for the RAM, more than twice the price of a 3930k
• Total cost of upgrade: ~500€ (CPU: 220, RAM: 160, MB: 120) 

 

#3 "Dude, just buy a Ryzen" Purchase a R5 1600X and a X370 mainboard new.

• Pros: A bit cheaper than a 5820k while only slightly slower, faster than a 3930k, very capable overall, get to learn about overclocking on a new architecture, possibly(!) a very good upgrade path (who knows what Ryzen 2 might bring us - maybe 16-cores/32-threads? Otherwise at least a relatively affordable 8-core/16-thread), warranty for all the parts
• Cons: Most expensive option, doesn't overclock well, needs DDR4 RAM, still not as well developed of a platform, would need a new cooling solution, also more than twice the price of a 3930k
• Total cost of upgrade: ~550€ (CPU: 220, RAM: 160, MB: 130, decent air cooler: 40) (also, ouch... My poor wallet)

 

What I don't want / what's not an option: 

1. Coffe Lake. Way to expensive here in Germany, if you can get one at all.
2. X299/2066 It's bullshit and no one should support intel for their crap.
3. B350 mainboards. I wan't all the features and all the overclocking from my mainboards.

 

What do you guys think would be the best option? All help and all comments are appreciated, thanks in advance!

 

Edit:

What I allready have:

Intel Core i7 4770k

4x4GB of DDR4 Corsair 1866 RAM Supports OC Profiles

Asus Z87 Deluxe Mainboard

GTX 1060 6GB soon to be replaced by a 1070

750W Corsair PSU

Corsair H80

960 GB Corsair SSD

So now do u want a new build with a new cpu or what now 

[Silver47]

2 hours ago, Almostbauws said:

See at some benchmarks and see if it is even a upgrade. I think that a modern 4core us better than this 6 core, but i havent encounterex it.

Like I said it will (besides for gaming) mostly be used for simulation and rendering purposes. For that its definitley an upgrade, because of more cores and threads, more cache, and higher clockspeeds (because my 4770k isn't that great of an overclocker). Its only disadvantage is its lesser ipc value. But in games like AC:Origins it should crunch the 4770k, right? And also the upgrade would be stupid cheap, I wouldn't even need new ram.

 

2 hours ago, Almostbauws said:

The 3930k is 130watts, while 1600 is 65 watts. But i watched some benchmakrs, and it is still perfectly fast, it is over 2 times cheaper, but only 20% slower. Just try not to get scammed.

Like I said I'd be buying from a friend so I hope he won't scam me:D

[Silver47]

1 hour ago, Alketbi67 said:

So now do u want a new build with a new cpu or what now 

I want to build a new system on a new platform with as much old parts as possible. I'd certainly be reusing my cooler, ssd and psu

[Silver47]

2 hours ago, Mooshi said:

4.2Ghz on Ryzen is asking a lot. Most top around 3.8Ghz, 4Ghz if you're lucky.

What does your R5 1600 go to? Did you get lucky in the silicone lottery?

[Silver47]

@Almostbauws @Alketbi67 @DocSwag @Mooshi The only reason I considered the 3930k is because it would be a ridiculously cheap way to get a six core. Overall cost would be down a couple of bucks from the price of a r5 1600 alone. Now do you guys think its not worth it all together to buy into such an old platform? Will it perform in games or will it be a bottleneck for the soon to be mine GTX 1070?