Trying to find a bottleneck

[onix331]

So i just bought a new GTX 1070 Ti from Asus to upgrade my old system, which consists of:

 

• OS: Windows 7 Pro 64bit
• CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V2 (Base clock set to 105, Boost-Clock Stock is 3.7Ghz)
• GPU: Asus Strix GTX 1070 Ti Advanced 8Gb Vram (Overclocked to around 2.1Ghz, the old GPU was a Asus GTX 760 with 2Gb of Vram)
• RAM: 4x 4GB 1366Mhz DDR3
• SSD: Adata 128GB Sata 3
• HDD: Seagate Baracuda 1Tb 7.2k Sata 3
• PSU: BeQuiet 630W Pure Power
• MOBO: ASUS P8Z77-V LX
• All drivers are up to date

My problem now is that i get way lower frames than i should be seeing at 1080p.
For example 65fps in PUBG instead of around 90fps with my mates fairly new PC (Intel 7700K and a GTX 1070) and also in various benchmarks i barely outperform the GTX 970 in some cases, where the system is fitted with a Intel I7 2700K, yes, 2700K.
 

Now you guys (and girls) would say that my CPU is the bottleneck in this case, and yes, it was before i set the Base clock to the maximum where my system still boots and functions properly, now the CPU doesn't seem to be the limiting factor.

When i look into the task manager or other various programs the CPU utilization is usually around 60%, while a few threads are at 80-90% but never fully loaded, which i don't understand because my GPU gets (when overclocked) almost never over 80% utilization.

Thermals also aren't a problem, CPU almost never gets hotter than 55°C and the GPU barely reaches 65°C.

Is my CPU just too old or is the RAM-Speed the problem. The bandwidth for the PCI-Slot 1x16, so that shouldn't be a problem.

I hope someone can help me

[gbergeron]

1 minute ago, onix331 said:

So i just bought a new GTX 1070 Ti from Asus to upgrade my old system, which consists of:

 

• OS: Windows 7 Pro 64bit
• CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V2 (Base clock set to 105, Boost-Clock Stock is 3.7Ghz)
• GPU: Asus Strix GTX 1070 Ti Advanced 8Gb Vram (Overclocked to around 2.1Ghz, the old GPU was a Asus GTX 760 with 2Gb of Vram)
• RAM: 4x 4GB 1366Mhz DDR3
• SSD: Adata 128GB Sata 3
• HDD: Seagate Baracuda 1Tb 7.2k Sata 3
• PSU: BeQuiet 630W Pure Power
• MOBO: ASUS P8Z77-V LX
• All drivers are up to date

My problem now is that i get way lower frames than i should be seeing at 1080p.
For example 65fps in PUBG instead of around 90fps with my mates fairly new PC (Intel 7700K and a GTX 1070) and also in various benchmarks i barely outperform the GTX 970 in some cases, where the system is fitted with a Intel I7 2700K, yes, 2700K.
 

Now you guys (and girls) would say that my CPU is the bottleneck in this case, and yes, it was before i set the Base clock to the maximum where my system still boots and functions properly, now the CPU doesn't seem to be the limiting factor.

When i look into the task manager or other various programs the CPU utilization is usually around 60%, while a few threads are at 80-90% but never fully loaded, which i don't understand because my GPU gets (when overclocked) almost never over 80% utilization.

Thermals also aren't a problem, CPU almost never gets hotter than 55°C and the GPU barely reaches 65°C.

Is my CPU just too old or is the RAM-Speed the problem. The bandwidth for the PCI-Slot 1x16, so that shouldn't be a problem.

I hope someone can help me

You compare a XEON to a 7700k 

 

That is your issue. Your cpu.

[gbergeron]

Try to monitor CPU and GPU usage and also GPU clock speed during gameplay with MSI afterburner

 

Report back with screenshots

[onix331]

Yep, that is exactly what i was thinking, but what exactly is limiting in the CPU? The bandwith?

[iRileyx]

If the only game you're comparing here is PUBG, i'm gonna guess it's the games crappy optimisation, as it is in most cases.

 

Edit - missed the benchmarks part, that's a little more odd.

[gbergeron]

Just now, onix331 said:

Yep, that is exactly what i was thinking, but what exactly is limiting in the CPU? The bandwith?

The cpu itself.

[Crunchy Dragon]

2 minutes ago, gbergeron said:

You compare a XEON to a 7700k 

 

That is your issue. Your cpu.

An older Xeon at that. If it was newer, say maybe Broadwell-EP architecture there wouldn't be as much of a problem with it.

[jeff.proto-_-]

old archhitecture, low clock speeds, bad single-core performance

[gbergeron]

Just now, RKRiley said:

If the only game you're comparing here is PUBG, i'm gonna guess it's the games crappy optimisation, as it is in most cases.

Game is not badly optimised now.

 

It runs great actually, its the servers who suck ass, bad servers, but engine is fine now.

 

I run pubg @ 1440p high/ultra @ 60+ fps, never drop under 60

[RAM555789]

Its the architecture of the CPU. If I got a piledriver, I can overclock the crap out it with adequate cooling and say it has 8 cores, but that doesn't mean it will run like a Ryzen 1700. Also while Xeon processors can do gaming, there not optimized for gaming, there optimized to be servers/workstations.

[onix331]

Here is the screenshot as asked. And yeah, i knew that my CPU will be a fairly big bottleneck for the GTX 1070 Ti 

[jeff.proto-_-]

you do realise that you're not running any games, and the cpu usage has nothing to do with bottlenecks in this case

[onix331]

I ran PUBG in this example in between, then exited and took the screenshot. And it's the first time that CPU usage wasn't my bottleneck problem, so a new lesson learned

[jeff.proto-_-]

take a screenshot while pubg is running

[ARikozuM]

CPU usage doesn't mean that the bottleneck isn't there. You're being held behind due to low single-threaded performance. Get faster RAM around the 1866MHz range if you want, though at this point I would not. 

 

PUBG is also a mess of an engine. 

[onix331]

Here is the screenshot while the game is still running

 

[sambarr]

Get that Xeon outta there and get a better chip and board... and ram. Or get a 3770k on the cheap and overclock it.

[onix331]

2 minutes ago, sambarr said:

Get that Xeon outta there and get a better chip and board... and ram. 

Thanks! And yes, i will eventually but first i have to save up more money, i can't spend everthing on pc parts (i would want to though )