So are there any reasons to hate against net nuetrality?

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12 minutes ago, beavo451 said:

And the problem of only having one choice for an ISP? Yeah government regulation probably contributed to that. 

My specific case is different since it is just a local reseller but how often do you see Spectrum, Comcast, ATT, or Verizon in the same area?

 

EDIT: Additionally, please list the regulations that made it so they didn't compete with each other.

[Tsuki]

im sorry but you are actually very misinformed here

15 hours ago, avg123 said:

If there is not any competition now, there will be in the future. If they start throttling websites, some new ISPs will pop up which does not throttle websites. That is how markets work.

This is false.  there is no competition now because ISPs are actively preventing new companies from starting up. google fiber has tried and failed to get started in multiple states because ISPs are refusing access to their lines, and suing them for trying to use local lines instead.

in other cases, new isps have tried to startup, and have gotten either sued into oblivion, or the big ISPs have payed local government enough to shut them down.

2017: lawsuit preventing google fiber

2016: lawsuit attempting to stop google fiber(actually failed)

 

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Another thing. Net neutrality law only exised for 18 months. Internet has existed for decades.

the internet has been around for about 50 years, and while the net neutrality laws have only been around a short time, it has always been the defacto rule.

 

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Did the ISPs throttle website before the net neutrality law in those decades? No they didn't

yes actually they have, repeatedly. and they have been sued for it many times. Thats the exact reason the net neutrality laws were created in the first place, to stop ISPs from doing exactly what they have been doing for YEARS.

2014: verizon throttles netflix

2013: Time warner throttles Riot Games (League of Legends)

2007: Comcast throttle all bittorrent traffic

 

 

 

 

Im wondering why Cogent and Level3 havent made a statement about any of this yet.

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1 hour ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

My specific case is different since it is just a local reseller but how often do you see Spectrum, Comcast, ATT, or Verizon in the same area?

 

EDIT: Additionally, please list the regulations that made it so they didn't compete with each other.

Simply put (which is impossible because nothing is simple when it comes to the government), a new ISP has to build a new network. Local governments control who, when, and where something is built.

 

Why is your specific case different? What is preventing a new competitor from entering your market?

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2 minutes ago, beavo451 said:

Simply put, a new ISP has to build a new network. Local governments control who, when, and where something is built.

So you don't know of anything preventing, only that rhetoric says government prevents. Top quality point.

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2 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

So you don't know of anything preventing, only that rhetoric says government prevents. Top quality point.

But wait, that’s the same point arguing for net neutrality. 

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ecksdee

[beavo451]

20 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

ecksdee

So...

 

The big bad ISPs are either buying up competition, lobbying the government to stifle new competition, or suing competition (in government courts) into oblivion.

 

Look, there isn't a clear answer to this very complicated problem. More government regulation on anything rarely solves any problems. The winners are the politicians because they remain in power and get paid.

[iooti]

NN is a red herring.  Nothing will change since there are already peer agreements since they already caved to the isps before the FCC stuck it's nose in it.  The isps can't break those contracts so no website or service is suddenly going to get throttled.  It's another facebook twitter generation protest for people who can't be bothered to actually know what the real problems are.

 

The problem has been and always will be the anti free market deals the cable companies put in place in the 80s and 90s when they ran cable.  This is when they divided up the country and stopped any competition.  The FCC isn't where the laws or rules should have been made,  they have to be made in congress.  Good luck with that.

 

NN actually died when the racist site stromfront was kicked off and not allowed to be hosted anywhere in the country and actually many other countries.  While the site is racist and horrible it actually broke no laws.  This denial of content was met by thunderous applause as the canary in the coal mine was killed.  We have handed over control of what is considered appropriate or not to billion dollar multi national companies.  We see this happening on twitter, facebook, you tube and hosting services.  They are now telling us what we can and cannot post or think.

 

Unless there is some change in congressional laws that stop legal insider trading, it will only get worse.