Will Intel Make A New Socket For Icelake?

[Pratigious]

Do you guys intel will do this? AMD is supporting AM4 socket all the way up to 2020. Do you guys think we might see a massive performance increase if this did happen? I don't understand why intel releases new socket's so frequently and with little performance gains. Right now I have a I5 4690k. If I were to upgrade to an I7 8700k, how much of a performance increase would i see? What about from I5 4690k to I5 8600k? I checked this out this right here 

 

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4690K/3937vs2432

 

And it is said I'd see a 36% performance increase. Is this accurate? 

 

And right here for the I5 8600k it would be a 27% performance increase. http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8600K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4690K/3941vs2432

 

 

 

 

[Princess Luna]

Yes it has already been confirmed that Ice Lake will be for the yet another brand new Z390 Chipset, it couldn't be the exact same socket/chipset regardless as this is a node shrink to the new 10nm lithography.

[IziBartek]

4 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Yes it has already been confirmed that Ice Lake will be for the yet another brand new Z390 Chipset, it couldn't be the exact same socket/chipset regardless as this is a node shrink to the new 10nm lithography.

Will you personally be upgrading to Ice Lake? Should I wait until it comes out?

[Armakar]

You wouldn't see a instant 36% increase, that's best case scenario.

 

It depends what your doing. In multithreaded work loads, you'd see quite a noticeable increase. My 6700k got like 600 score in Cinnibench, my 8700k gets over 1600.

8700ks also clock like monsters, they easily get 5GHZ. Games that love cores and clockspeeds will see around a 20% increase from a 4790k.

[just_dave]

Most likely yes. At the moment, i would wait how Zen+ turns out

[Armakar]

1 minute ago, IziBartek said:

Will you personally be upgrading to Ice Lake? Should I wait until it comes out?

Coffee lake is literally brand new. If your willing to wait like an entire year, sure. But then you'll be waiting forever, unless it's coming out in a month there's no point waiting so long.

[Pratigious]

Just now, IziBartek said:

Will you personally be upgrading to Ice Lake? Should I wait until it comes out?

Depends on your rig. If you anything below haswell, I'd recommend it but if you have skylake or kaby lake, I don't recommend upgrading. Also, that mentality is bad. TThere will always be something better and newer. 

[just_dave]

1 minute ago, Armakar said:

My 6700k got like 600 score in Cinnibench, my 8700k gets over 1600

What clocks on 6700K? 8700K needs high OC (5GHz+) to have such scores

[IziBartek]

3 minutes ago, Pratigious said:

Depends on your rig. If you anything below haswell, I'd recommend it but if you have skylake or kaby lake, I don't recommend upgrading. Also, that mentality is bad. TThere will always be something better and newer. 

Well I’m building a new pc now. I have coffee or kaby lake in mind (7700k or 8600k) so I don’t know what to do...

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, IziBartek said:

Will you personally be upgrading to Ice Lake? Should I wait until it comes out?

I am waiting for Ice Lake to replace my i7 6700, personally speaking if highest end gaming is your priority yet you have any 14nm i7 processor you're completely cool to wait for it, I would wait for Ice Lake even if a 4770k ~ 4790k is what you're rocking as advancing in lithography will finally result in a more noticeable gain in IPC... so far the single thread performance all the way from Skylake to Coffee Lake increased mostly just due to better memory and frequencies... gains from architecture are yet to come with the 10nm.

[Princess Luna]

5 minutes ago, Pratigious said:

Also, that mentality is bad. TThere will always be something better and newer. 

Not really, for the matter of fact whoever waited Coffee Lake did a good deal since Kaby Lake in reality shouldn't have even existed as it brought so little to the table compared to Skylake... but then again if you got a Ryzen from beginning you'd be perfectly covered till now.

 

If your display is of any thing below 120hz Ryzen is definitely a more senseful purchase if gaming and even streaming etc is priority, Ryzen 5 1600 destroyed Core i5's and made the Core i7's run for their money for the very first time in years until Coffee Lake come along... so depends on what you're shopping, if you got Ryzen all cool you did good, if you got Kaby Lake yeah you can hit your head against the wall.

[Pratigious]

1 minute ago, IziBartek said:

Well I’m building a new pc now. I have coffee or Kanu lake in mind (7700k or 8600k) so I don’t know what to do...

Icelake is launching in the second half- of 2018. I highly doubt there will be a massive performance increase. If you want to get it now, coffelake, go ahead. You won't be missing much and that cpu will be good for a damn long time. If you're one of those people that always want high end ultra graphics with high frame-rate, above 60, then uh you do you. 

 

I think you should go for I7 8700k.

[DocSwag]

11 minutes ago, Armakar said:

My 6700k got like 600 score in Cinnibench, my 8700k gets over 1600.

Something was wrong with your 6700k then. Even with a bunch of chrome tabs open in the background my 4.2 ghz 6700k is getting close to 900 cb, I believe if I run it without anything else open I get over 900

[IziBartek]

1 minute ago, Pratigious said:

Icelake is launching in the second half- of 2018. I highly doubt there will be a massive performance increase. If you want to get it now, coffelake, go ahead. You won't be missing much and that cpu will be good for a damn long time. If you're one of those people that always want high end ultra graphics with high frame-rate, above 60, then uh you do you. 

 

I think you should go for I7 8700k.

I’ll but for the i5 8600k because it’s the same price as a 7700k but a newer gen and 6 cores

[just_dave]

12 minutes ago, IziBartek said:

Well I’m building a new pc now. I have coffee or kaby lake in mind (7700k or 8600k) so I don’t know what to do...

I'd wait for Zen+. It could kill Coffee Lake just as it did with Kaby Lake. AMD knows they have to improve performance and they have power headroom, thats exactly the opposite of Intel atm.

[Pratigious]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

Not really, for the matter of fact whoever waited Coffee Lake did a good deal since Kaby Lake in reality shouldn't have even existed as it brought so little to the table compared to Skylake... but then again if you got a Ryzen from beginning you'd be perfectly covered till now.

 

If your display is of any thing below 120hz Ryzen is definitely a more senseful purchase if gaming and even streaming etc is priority, Ryzen 5 1600 destroyed Core i5's and made the Core i7's run for their money for the very first time in years until Coffee Lake come along... so depends on what you're shopping, if you got Ryzen all cool you did good, if you got Kaby Lake yeah you can hit your head against the wall.

Kaby lake is faster than skylake. That's all im saying. No matter how negligible the increase was, it's still faster and newer. But yeah I see what you mean. There wasn't much of an increase so my rule isn't always true. I bought a I5 4690k in the beginning of 2017 because it was cheaper than the I5 7500k and I5 6600k at the time, lol. 

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, dave_k said:

Wait for Zen+

Zen+ is expected to come several months earlier than Ice Lake, from what we have read so far it is safe to assume it will at least even up it's single thread performance to Skylake which should be enough to extract the most of graphics cards such as the GTX 1080 for any gaming of your desire, including high refresh rate one.

 

Ryzen as always will offer more cores and threads than Intel in the terms of cost therefore it is a really good deal to wait for it at least @IziBartek whatever you do avoid getting Kaby Lake, it is a dead platform with its highest end processor merely equalizing itself to today's lowest end i5, the 8400.

[Princess Luna]

7 minutes ago, Pratigious said:

. I bought a I5 4690k in the beginning of 2017 because it was cheaper than the I5 7500k and I5 6600k at the time, lol

I remember back then, people getting the i5 6600k on expensive Z170 boards and fancy expensive cooling... getting beat by my actually cheaper i7 6700 + h110 combo... strange days those were... overclocking certainly is important but back then the limiting number of only 4c/4t was already showing its limitations even in games.

 

You certainly did good, personally speaking for you in particularly the 4690k should be enough until either Ryzen+ or Ice Lake come along, I would not jump to the i7 8700k if I were you since this is still 14nm... you'd be getting the latest and greatest alright but in an already outdated lithography, either the AMD 12nm or Intel 10nm expected for next year are much better deals.

[just_dave]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

it is safe to assume it will at least even up it's single thread performance to Skylake

Something close to that would bring monster multicore performance. SMT is a bit better than HT and the higher core count.

Roughly +0.2 GHz on current Ryzen chips means +10-15CB more, so something like 7-10% single core performance increase. 

4.5GHz would start to sting CF, 4.7GHz would be killer for CF

[Armakar]

3 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Zen+ is expected to come several months earlier than Ice Lake, from what we have read so far it is safe to assume it will at least even up it's single thread performance to Skylake which should be enough to extract the most of graphics cards such as the GTX 1080 for any gaming of your desire, including high refresh rate one.

 

Ryzen as always will offer more cores and threads than Intel in the terms of cost therefore it is a really good deal to wait for it at least @IziBartek whatever you do avoid getting Kaby Lake, it is a dead platform with its highest end processor merely equalizing itself to today's lowest end i5, the 8400.

Zen+ isn't even coming anytime soon. "Wait for X" is always counterproductive unless it's around a month away. Volta will likely be shortly after Zen+, followed by Icelake, so where does it end? He waits for Zen+, then Volta, then oh wait, Icelake is coming out soon, then new AMD cards are coming out soon... so where do we draw the line?

I've just bought an 8700K and a 1080Ti. Volta isn't coming out for atleast a few months, and Icelake is like a year away. I don't see the point in waiting, the 8700k is extremely fast and 6 cores is a nice upgrade from 4 - especially considering how much better an 8700k will OC.

[Armakar]

3 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

I remember back then, people getting the i5 6600k on expensive Z170 boards and fancy expensive cooling... getting beat by my actually cheaper i7 6700 + h110 combo... strange days those were... overclocking certainly is important but back then the limiting number of only 4c/4t was already showing its limitations even in games.

 

You certainly did good, personally speaking for you in particularly the 4690k should be enough until either Ryzen+ or Ice Lake come along, I would not jump to the i7 8700k if I were you since this is still 14nm... you'd be getting the latest and greatest alright but in an already outdated lithography, either the AMD 12nm or Intel 10nm expected for next year are much better deals.

Idk, in games in paticular I'd imagine a 6600K overclocked would beat a 6700. That said, I'd never buy a 4c/4t i5 over a i7, but there is reason to.

[Armakar]

3 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

I remember back then, people getting the i5 6600k on expensive Z170 boards and fancy expensive cooling... getting beat by my actually cheaper i7 6700 + h110 combo... strange days those were... overclocking certainly is important but back then the limiting number of only 4c/4t was already showing its limitations even in games.

 

You certainly did good, personally speaking for you in particularly the 4690k should be enough until either Ryzen+ or Ice Lake come along, I would not jump to the i7 8700k if I were you since this is still 14nm... you'd be getting the latest and greatest alright but in an already outdated lithography, either the AMD 12nm or Intel 10nm expected for next year are much better deals.

Also, you are kind of valuing lithography a little too high.. yeah, they can pack tons of transistors into a smaller space, that doesn't mean vastly better performance.

IIRC, the 4790K uses 22nm. The 7700k uses 14nm, that's a 8nm change, but.. was there THAT much performance gain? At the same clockspeed it's like a 5% difference in performance.  

10nm is nice, sure, but if 8nm doesn't make a huge difference, there's no reason to think a 4nm difference will. There's more factors to consider rather than transistor count - heat is a big factor (more transistors packed into a smaller space = more heat) and more importantly the architecture itself (ALU and control units mostly) are the more important factors.

CPUs will continue to slowly improve gen-to-gen, don't expect new lithography to make a huge difference in performance. The next large performance changes we'll see is mass optimisation for multiple cores (even so, 4 extra threads wont break the bank), IBM's new "slice" architecture, and Quatnum computing, the all of which are years off. The only performance we'll see improved is clockspeeds ramped, IPC boosted and maybe TDP drops. Lithography isn't going to magically make icelake blisteringly faster than anything on the market, it's likely it'll just equal Coffelake-X.

[Lean18]

I hope they make a new stock cooler design as well.