Which one is better?

[SinKoh]

EDIT: better for Gaming/Coding also I have my own storage. 

 

I am about to spend around 1350.00 for a new computer. I was curious as to what the community thinks of these two builds. One is intel and the other AMD. Also, are there any changes that I could make for little to no price increase but a better performance overall? Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

AMD Build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($22.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX B350-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($102.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($194.88 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card  ($449.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Thermaltake - Versa C22 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($55.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.98 @ Newegg) 
Case Fan: NZXT - Aer RGB120 (3-pack) 61.4 CFM  120mm Fans  ($75.97 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Total: $1277.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-10 01:27 EST-0500

Intel build:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($414.89 @ B&H) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($19.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 GAMING PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($121.88 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($194.88 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card  ($449.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($61.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1338.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-10 01:25 EST-0500

[dizmo]

Better for....what? Gaming? Coding? Video production? Filing your taxes?

 

You also have no storage.

[SinKoh]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Better for....what? Gaming? Coding? Video production? Filing your taxes?

 

You also have no storage.

Better for gaming/coding. I have an SSD already. That’s why no storage is listed. 

[PETRGangKing]

I would probably get a better CPU cooler. If you are on a budget, the Cryorig H7 is a great choice. Or for about 40 bucks more, you could get a Cooler Master  MasterLiquid 240.

[SinKoh]

Thanks for the suggestion. I added it to my list. That’s a reasonable price for a better cooler. 

[dizmo]

17 minutes ago, SinKoh said:

Better for gaming/coding. I have an SSD already. That’s why no storage is listed. 

Build 2 but an 8600k and 1070Ti/1080.

[seon123]

The Supernova NEX is a mediocre PSU, and not very good at $75. The TXM, Focus Plus Gold, Whisper M, GS and Capstone cost around the same. 

For a bit more than the price of the 1070 you chose, you can get the 1070 Ti, which is quite a bit better. 

For gaming, you'll want to spend less on the CPU (8400 or 8600K), and spend more on the GPU. 

[SquintyG33Rs]

intel and if you're going to get AMD for VM's don't get the X get the regular 1700. because either way you have to overclock for the chip to be worth it. and take that exact specific kit you show for it too not the cas16 one..

[Streetguru]

1 hour ago, SinKoh said:

 

What resolution/refresh rate are you going to be gaming at?

[SinKoh]

8 hours ago, Streetguru said:

What resolution/refresh rate are you going to be gaming at?

I would like 1080 with an ASUS VG248QE 24" Full HD 1920x1080 144Hz 1ms HDMI Gaming Monitor

[Streetguru]

1 hour ago, SinKoh said:

I would like 1080 with an ASUS VG248QE 24" Full HD 1920x1080 144Hz 1ms HDMI Gaming Monitor

Ryzen is going to get you about 100fps in AAA games, the i7 will get you 144fps+, depends is you think you'll care about the difference at that point. Esports games will stil run fine. If you do any VM work the extra cores may be useful.

Get Vega 56 or a 1070ti, the 1070/1080 was killed off by it. But really you don't need that tier of GPU unless you want to push AAA games at high-ultra at 1080p 144hz. Flashing Vega 56 to 64 BIOs takes 5 minutes and gives it free performance, better value overall IMO, though partner cards would help.

Should you ever upgrade to a 1440p 144hz IPS display you'll save money with free-sync on Vega.

Added a case with airflow and a better motherboard, that ASUS board probably isn't much better overall than some of the $70 boards with similar VRMs.

Basically just redid the list with performance per dollar parts, so free improvements in some places in that sense. Overall performance is about the same though.
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6MCB2R
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6MCB2R/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($284.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid 240 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX - Radeon RX VEGA 56 8GB Video Card  ($404.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.90 @ Amazon)
Total: $1189.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-10 13:04 EST-0500

[Bendy_BSD]

11 hours ago, SinKoh said:

EDIT: better for Gaming/Coding also I have my own storage. 

 

I am about to spend around 1350.00 for a new computer. I was curious as to what the community thinks of these two builds. One is intel and the other AMD. Also, are there any changes that I could make for little to no price increase but a better performance overall? Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

AMD Build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($22.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX B350-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($102.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($194.88 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card  ($449.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Thermaltake - Versa C22 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  ($55.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.98 @ Newegg) 
Case Fan: NZXT - Aer RGB120 (3-pack) 61.4 CFM  120mm Fans  ($75.97 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Total: $1277.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-10 01:27 EST-0500

Intel build:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($414.89 @ B&H) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($19.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 GAMING PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($121.88 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($194.88 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card  ($449.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($61.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1338.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-10 01:25 EST-0500

The better question is why you're going for a build that's for coding/gaming.   For coding you just need some software to code within that environment.  For gaming, It really doesn't matter whether if you're doing an INTEL-based build or if it is an AMD-based build.

 

If anything, you don't need to spend a whopping 1.3 grand on pc parts. 

(I am not telling you what to do I am simply just giving you a suggestion on what you should spend with that kind of money.)

 

You can the route you want with that money and list of parts.  I do however suggest that you spend your money on parts that don't cost too much and that it is still a good quality.  Something that has a reputation for a good resale value in otherwords.   Coding is one thing, gaming is another.  You can start coding on a cheap pc, you just need some software to do that.  Gaming can be done on even the older server boards of 2012 or 2010. (using that in context of budget gaming of course.)   But, if you still want to go that route then I can't change your mind.  However, if you are going that route I DO suggest that you check and see if BOTH the motherboard and CPU are virtualization enabled.

Why?    Answer:  So you can test your software in a closed and contained environment.  Not only will that be less downtime because you can revert back to a previous snapshot in the vm manager but you will be able to continue working on your software with little to no trouble at all.   Plus, if the cpu has BOTH VT-D and VT-X  (VT-X applying to intel CPUs) will give you the ability to give the VM image access to a physical PCI-E device (demonstrated in two gamers, one cpu on the ltt channel on youtube.)

So that you can test the software you're coding and running that code in a  virtual environment with a physical gpu to test and see how the software behaves with those few variables.    

 

So, virtualization does come in handy for software development.  Every company does that and so does every developer.

 

 

Let me know if you find this info somewhat reassuring because it will suck to see an enthusiast such as yourself waste money on parts that won't give you every benefit that's all.  I just want to make sure that you spend it wisely.

 

Have a great day man.

[SinKoh]

1 minute ago, Ripmin-PSN said:

The better question is why you're going for a build that's for coding/gaming.   For coding you just need some software to code within that environment.  For gaming, It really doesn't matter whether if you're doing an INTEL-based build or if it is an AMD-based build.

 

If anything, you don't need to spend a whopping 1.3 grand on pc parts. 

(I am not telling you what to do I am simply just giving you a suggestion on what you should spend with that kind of money.)

 

You can the route you want with that money and list of parts.  I do however suggest that you spend your money on parts that don't cost too much and that it is still a good quality.  Something that has a reputation for a good resale value in otherwords.   Coding is one thing, gaming is another.  You can start coding on a cheap pc, you just need some software to do that.  Gaming can be done on even the older server boards of 2012 or 2010. (using that in context of budget gaming of course.)   But, if you still want to go that route then I can't change your mind.  However, if you are going that route I DO suggest that you check and see if BOTH the motherboard and CPU are virtualization enabled.

Why?    Answer:  So you can test your software in a closed and contained environment.  Not only will that be less downtime because you can revert back to a previous snapshot in the vm manager but you will be able to continue working on your software with little to no trouble at all.   Plus, if the cpu has BOTH VT-D and VT-X  (VT-X applying to intel CPUs) will give you the ability to give the VM image access to a physical PCI-E device (demonstrated in two gamers, one cpu on the ltt channel on youtube.)

So that you can test the software you're coding and running that code in a  virtual environment with a physical gpu to test and see how the software behaves with those few variables.    

 

So, virtualization does come in handy for software development.  Every company does that and so does every developer.

 

 

Let me know if you find this info somewhat reassuring because it will suck to see an enthusiast such as yourself waste money on parts that won't give you every benefit that's all.  I just want to make sure that you spend it wisely.

 

Have a great day man.

Thanks for this. I will definitely be looking into this and adjusting parts as needed.

[Bendy_BSD]

Just now, SinKoh said:

Thanks for this. I will definitely be looking into this and adjusting parts as needed.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of software are you coding?

[SinKoh]

Just now, Ripmin-PSN said:

Just out of curiosity, what kind of software are you coding?

I create applications used for major law offices to use on a daily basis to keep track of client and staff. I also create applications for my clients to use in their databases to manage/view all of their data with 100% customization on what they need.. Pretty much whatever they ask for I deliver (If Possible). I also create mobile applications as well with a little RaspberryPi coding on the side. I think both builds above leaned towards the gamer inside.

[Bendy_BSD]

Just now, SinKoh said:

I create applications used for major law offices to use on a daily basis to keep track of client and staff. I also create applications for my clients to use in their databases to manage/view all of their data with 100% customization on what they need.. Pretty much whatever they ask for I deliver (If Possible). I also create mobile applications as well with a little RaspberryPi coding on the side. I think both builds above leaned towards the gamer inside.

Interesting.     Are you in college currently?  Learning about software development I mean. 

[SinKoh]

No. I actually started this when I was a teenager and planned to go to college for it but I join the Army instead. Now that I am out I plan to start working on my degree. Everything from C#, Ruby, Python, T-SQL, and many more have been self taught.

[Bendy_BSD]

2 minutes ago, SinKoh said:

No. I actually started this when I was a teenager and planned to go to college for it but I join the Army instead. Now that I am out I plan to start working on my degree. Everything from C#, Ruby, Python, T-SQL, and many more have been self taught.

Congrats man!    And I am self taught in a few areas, not a lot but I am fascinated with what I see and what I touch.

By that I mean mechanical engineering and how a computer works and behaves. 

 

Note to self:  Never delete the trackpad synaptics driver on my laptop. lol.

(that did happen some time ago and I was not happy. XD)

[just_dave]

For both setups get a better board.

For Ryzen, at least Prime X370 Pro or X370 Strix

For 8700K at least Prime Z370-A