Windows creation tool help

[Aidanlockett1]

If I use a laptop for a while without getting an ssd, when I put an ssd in can i just use the windows creation tool to upgrade the system onto the ssd?

[SquintyG33Rs]

no. but you can clone your current drive onto the SSD and it will be just like it was always there. as long as they are the same size (or close enough if you know what you're doing)

[Aidanlockett1]

4 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

no. but you can clone your current drive onto the SSD and it will be just like it was always there. as long as they are the same size (or close enough if you know what you're doing)

ok thanks.

[Enderman]

Yes, the media creation tool can be used to clean install windows on your SSD.

Don't clone, it's a horrible idea.

[SquintyG33Rs]

44 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Yes, the media creation tool can be used to clean install windows on your SSD.

Don't clone, it's a horrible idea.

It's not a horrible idea people who collect dust and garbage need to clean install butif you keep your os in good shape cloning removes the hassle or putting all the settings back in and redownloading/installing everything. It's just much less annoying. Click one button and you jave everything set in 20min instead of multiple hours of download and installation 

[Enderman]

3 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

It's not a horrible idea people who collect dust and garbage need to clean install butif you keep your os in good shape cloning removes the hassle or putting all the settings back in and redownloading/installing everything. It's just much less annoying. Click one button and you jave everything set in 20min instead of multiple hours of download and installation 

Yeah sure, and then 2 months later a windows update comes out and fails to install properly, making your PC almost unusable, then gets stuck when you try to revert the update and refuses to boot, and you end up having to clean install to fix it and use a second PC to get your data back.

 

So easy and convenient!

[SquintyG33Rs]

11 hours ago, Enderman said:

Yeah sure, and then 2 months later a windows update comes out and fails to install properly, making your PC almost unusable, then gets stuck when you try to revert the update and refuses to boot, and you end up having to clean install to fix it and use a second PC to get your data back.

 

So easy and convenient!

Litterally never happened to me

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

Litterally never happened to me

It has to hundreds of thousands of other people.

I guess you haven't been on the forum long enough to see all the posts from people asking for help because their PC is half broken after cloning.

I suggest you search up "issues after cloning" on google for some examples of the problems that happen.

[SquintyG33Rs]

41 minutes ago, Enderman said:

It has to hundreds of thousands of other people.

I guess you haven't been on the forum long enough to see all the posts from people asking for help because their PC is half broken after cloning.

I suggest you search up "issues after cloning" on google for some examples of the problems that happen.

Cloning is simpler as long as you do it properly. Don't clone to a smaller drive. Partitions don't matter so make sure they are accounted for. And never clone on a system that was prepared by an OEM. Because they change the default behaviour of windows recovery  (though even that can be accounted for). I don't see how windows update  failing can even be related to this.

 

Cloning is an operation made outside the os before boot so windows doesn't know anything changed. Problems will only occur if you're using the wrong tools in the wrong way. 

 

So cloning isn't an option if you bought a 1tb hdd and were planning to add a boot ssd. Of course not. That's the kind of moron that will come complain.

 

Before you straight out rule out something try using it, or at least understand it. Because clearly you just saw some threads and decided it was pure evil. And btw a few threads isn't proof that it's bad, it's only proof that allot of people don't know what they are doing. Maybe they were misinformed or maybe they thought magic was real. 

[Enderman]

3 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

 

There are literally tens of thousands of threads about issues after cloning.

One flipped bit can either not make a difference or it can completely ruin your OS.

If you take a look at reviews for samsung SSDs, 99% of the bad reviews are people complaining about their PC not working after cloning.

 

You can deny the facts all you want, doesn't fix all of the issues people have after cloning/migrating.

The proper way to move an OS is to clean install it the proper way, not be lazy and clone it.

[SquintyG33Rs]

22 minutes ago, Enderman said:

There are literally tens of thousands of threads about issues after cloning.

One flipped bit can either not make a difference or it can completely ruin your OS.

If you take a look at reviews for samsung SSDs, 99% of the bad reviews are people complaining about their PC not working after cloning.

 

You can deny the facts all you want, doesn't fix all of the issues people have after cloning/migrating.

The proper way to move an OS is to clean install it the proper way, not be lazy and clone it.

you should never have a flipped bit that's not how it works. it clones then it goes over it checking the whole copy. see it's about the tools again

[Enderman]

17 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

you should never have a flipped bit that's not how it works. it clones then it goes over it checking the whole copy. see it's about the tools again

Ok cool then you should have a solution for those hundreds of thousands of people having problems after cloning!

Go help them!

[SquintyG33Rs]

5 hours ago, Enderman said:

Ok cool then you should have a solution for those hundreds of thousands of people having problems after cloning!

Go help them!

you can'T fix it once you broke it

[Enderman]

35 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

you can'T fix it once you broke it

That's my point.

Don't clone in the first place and you don't need to worry about all of those problems.

[SquintyG33Rs]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

That's my point.

Don't clone in the first place and you don't need to worry about all of those problems.

no my point is you just have to do it right the first time and not be an idiot

 

you also haven't denied that you've never cloned. so you're in no position to comment

[Enderman]

24 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

no my point is you just have to do it right the first time and not be an idiot

 

you also haven't denied that you've never cloned. so you're in no position to comment

Those tens of thousands of people who've had issues cloning mostly do it right.

It's not hard. You follow the software steps, click a few times, and wait.

 

Unfortunately, half the time it does not work, and the other half it causes issues that you notice in the future, most often when trying to update the OS.

 

If you want to keep giving people bad advice that can ruin their PC (on the software side), please go do that on reddit instead, not this forum.

Instead of trying to argue against all the proof on the internet, how about going and helping those people fix their PC that was broken by cloning or migrating?

 

Oh wait, the only fix is to clean install windows.

Huh, I wonder how much time and headaches all these people could have saved by not taking the lazy route of cloning, and just clean installing windows in the first place!

[SquintyG33Rs]

20 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Those tens of thousands of people who've had issues cloning mostly do it right.

It's not hard. You follow the software steps, click a few times, and wait.

 

Unfortunately, half the time it does not work, and the other half it causes issues that you notice in the future, most often when trying to update the OS.

 

If you want to keep giving people bad advice that can ruin their PC (on the software side), please go do that on reddit instead, not this forum.

Instead of trying to argue against all the proof on the internet, how about going and helping those people fix their PC that was broken by cloning or migrating?

 

Oh wait, the only fix is to clean install windows.

Huh, I wonder how much time and headaches all these people could have saved by not taking the lazy route of cloning, and just clean installing windows in the first place!

it's ok nobody will ever convince you otherwise. it's a very well researched psychological fact.

but the truth remains that these issues aren't because of the cloning. the software doesn't tell you how you should do this and the software also doesn't tell you that windows treats SSD and HDD differently and you have to go change it yourself manually. they did it wrong somewhere in the process and if it was as simple as following a next button in an installer nobody would ever get it wrong. the software doesn't account for the user being dumb and not using the software as it's supposed to be.