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Time for a upgrade, games are not running the best atm and i think my vid card is on its way out ( screen glitch's, Driver crash's and stuttering). I plan on getting a 1080ti for longevity but have been told my cpu is going to be a bottle neck. The games I play are PubG, WoW and I am getting ready to get into some Star Citizen with some mates. 

So atm I am running 

 

5-3570k 
G.Skill F3-14900CL9D-8GBXL 8GB (2x4GB) 1866MHz DDR3
AsRock Z77 professional motherboard
EVGA 780 SuperClocked 
2 Kingston HyperX Fury 120GB 2.5in SSD in raid

 

I live in Australia and the 2 shops I can get gear from are https://www.pccasegear.com and https://www.scorptec.com.au/

I was thinking something like this https://www.pccasegear.com/wish_lists/757209 and using all of my old parts like SSD's and case. Plan on getting a new power supply due to the one I have being a cheap replacement for the one I lost not long ago. 

 

Don't know if it would be better to get a intel CPU or stick with ryzen for more cores for the future. Or if I could overclock the 1700x with the AMD Wraith Max cooler that comes in the bundle.

 

Any feed back would be awesome as the more i read into parts and benchmarks the more lost I feel.

 

Thanks in advance :)

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How about something like this?

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($395.00 @ Shopping Express) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($139.00 @ PLE Computers) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 SLI PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($209.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($185.90 @ Newegg Australia) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC2 Video Card  ($1059.30 @ Newegg Australia) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($149.00 @ IJK) 
Total: $2137.20
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For those games, the 8700K will be better. It will cost more, though. 

If you decide to get a Ryzen, don't get the 1700X, just get the 1700. Don't get any B350, MSI X370 or Gigabyte 4 phase board if you plan to overclock with anything other than the stock cooler. 

The CX750 is unnecessary. A 550W PSU is more than enough. Better units for around the same price are the TXM and Focus Plus Gold. 

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I think you have forgotten to mention your budget...you also did not mention your power supply so I would I assume you want a new one, also if you not considering overclocking you would not need a really expensive CPU-cooler or even a really high-tier motherboard...anyway all what I'm saying that we want you to be more specific to what you want to do? sure you want to play high-demanding games but some ppl doesn't consider overclocking the CPU an option so theres no point of getting the expensive motherboard or even aftermarket cooler...

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1700X doesnt come with cooler. Get a 1700 instead (though for games only, 3570k is better due to higher clock speed)

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

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Looking at the 8700k spec's it looks good. Costs a lot more but it looks good.

If the 8700k will be better I might see if stocks at my local shops restock soon. Are there any limits when it comes to the MB for the 8700k ? 

I had around a $2300 budget but I will add a bit more if in the long run its better.

 

 

The reason I went for the 750W was due to looking up that wish list and putting it into a power supply calculator. 

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5 minutes ago, monkB said:

I would stay with the i5 3570k and try and overclock it but I keep on reading or being told how bad the bottlenecking is

What resolution are you targeting?

1080p, 1440p, or 4K?

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33 minutes ago, Lurick said:

How about something like this?

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($395.00 @ Shopping Express) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($139.00 @ PLE Computers) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 SLI PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($209.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($185.90 @ Newegg Australia) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC2 Video Card  ($1059.30 @ Newegg Australia) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($149.00 @ IJK) 
Total: $2137.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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MSI am4 boards are quite meh, and a Ryzen 7 would be a worse choice than something like an 8600k or 8700k seeing as op is only gaming.

16 minutes ago, monkB said:

Looking at the 8700k spec's it looks good. Costs a lot more but it looks good.

If the 8700k will be better I might see if stocks at my local shops restock soon. Are there any limits when it comes to the MB for the 8700k ? 

I had around a $2300 budget but I will add a bit more if in the long run its better.

 

 

The reason I went for the 750W was due to looking up that wish list and putting it into a power supply calculator. 

You could probably go 8600k instead. The difference isn't that large but you save >$100.

6 minutes ago, monkB said:

2560 x 1080 but I would like the option of upgrading to something bigger in the future.

What refresh rate?

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http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-34UM58-P-ultrawide-monitor 

Screen Size Class (diagonal) 34"
Panel Type IPS
Color Gamut (CIE1931) sRGB over 99%
Color Depth (Number of Colors) 8bits, 16.7M
Pixel Pitch (mm) 0.312 mm x 0.310 mm
Response Time 5ms GTG
Refresh Rate 75Hz
Aspect Ratio 21:9
Resolution 2560 x 1080
Brightness (cd/m2) 250 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio Mega
Viewing Angle 178 / 178

 

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1 hour ago, DocSwag said:

MSI am4 boards are quite meh, and a Ryzen 7 would be a worse choice than something like an 8600k or 8700k seeing as op is only gaming.

You could probably go 8600k instead. The difference isn't that large but you save >$100.

What refresh rate?

True, I just tried to match the kit and see if I could squeeze out a bit more.

I didn't see any 8700K in stock so went with what was but definitely agree, for gaming the 8700K is the best choice :) 

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2 hours ago, monkB said:

I would stay with the i5 3570k and try and overclock it but I keep on reading or being told how bad the bottlenecking is

The i5-3570K is a pretty good cpu. I would not worry about "bottlenecking" a GTX 1080 Ti. With some titles any cpu will have trouble keeping up with a GTX 1080 Ti. But for most titles, you should get very playable frame rates with the i5-3570K, especially if you get a reasonable overclock.

 

Get the gpu first. Once you have used it for a bit, you can contemplate upgrading to the latest and greatest cpu platform.

 

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I would love it if that was the case but my mate spent the last 6 hours Linkiing me youboob videos of people showing split screens of i3570k and other. Pus showing the bottle necks. Think I just wait and get the 8700k.

 

Thank you everyone for the input. I would of been lost win out you all.

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7 hours ago, monkB said:

I would love it if that was the case but my mate spent the last 6 hours Linkiing me youboob videos of people showing split screens of i3570k and other. Pus showing the bottle necks. Think I just wait and get the 8700k.

 

Thank you everyone for the input. I would of been lost win out you all.

When you talk about "bottlenecking" do you simply mean that the gpu is not running as fast as it can or do you mean the gpu is not performing well enough to game? It is really only the later case that matters. Having a part that isn't performing to its maximum potential while not optimal, should not force a budget breaking upgrade.

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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1 minute ago, IntelFanBoy911 said:

8700k would be better 

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On 10/8/2017 at 10:47 AM, Lurick said:

True, I just tried to match the kit and see if I could squeeze out a bit more.

I didn't see any 8700K in stock so went with what was but definitely agree, for gaming the 8700K is the best choice :) 

 

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Just now, IntelFanBoy911 said:

8700k would be better 

I donno, Ryzen 7 is cheaper however if he had the money the 8700k would be the best hands down.

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($526.90 @ Skycomp Technology) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid 120 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($79.00 @ Storm Computers) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($183.70 @ Skycomp Technology) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-4266 Memory  ($352.00 @ Newegg Australia) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC2 Video Card  ($1059.30 @ Newegg Australia) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($125.40 @ Newegg Australia) 
Total: $2326.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Its not that much more TBO

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6 hours ago, monkB said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($526.90 @ Skycomp Technology) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid 120 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($79.00 @ Storm Computers) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($183.70 @ Skycomp Technology) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-4266 Memory  ($352.00 @ Newegg Australia) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC2 Video Card  ($1059.30 @ Newegg Australia) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($125.40 @ Newegg Australia) 
Total: $2326.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Its not that much more TBO

Change the PSU to something better, like the CXM, Focus Plus Gold, TXM, or G2/G3

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