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[Thinkfreely]

yes, although you don't have to water cool it unless you care about noise or really high overclocks, the aircooler can actually do a pretty decent overclock on it.

[JustAnotherIntelFanBoy]

Just now, Thinkfreely said:

yes, although you don't have to water cool it unless you care about noise or really high overclocks, the aircooler can actually do a pretty decent overclock on it.

My friend wants custom watercooling so... it's up to him!

[Thinkfreely]

1 minute ago, JustAnotherIntelFanBoy said:

My friend wants custom watercooling so... it's up to him!

Keep forgetting it for your bud. So he was AIO cooling, not custom right?

[JustAnotherIntelFanBoy]

1 minute ago, Thinkfreely said:

Keep forgetting it for your bud. So he was AIO cooling, not custom right?

In the future he wants all that crazy tubbing stuff

[brob]

@JustAnotherIntelFanBoy

 

Excuse the rant.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FUTURE PROOFING!*

 

Not that is off my chest, some comments on the builds: If you have considered Z270, why not Z370? Did you consider X99 or X299?

 

Ryzen 7 might be optimal, but that does depend on the software being used. This is especially so as more and more content creation is use gpu acceleration for many processing intensive tasks. 

 

Faster storage is an absolute must for content creation. At the very least get a larger ssd, preferably 1TB. If it could be squeezed into the budget an NVMe drive would be great. In order to improve storage speeds, drop all the blink. No need for RGB memory or lit motherboard. One might even consider dropping to a GTX 1080 and using the savings to improve storage speeds.

 

* in two years the motherboard, regardless of the one purchased will be out of date. Tech advances like DDR5, USB 3.2, PCIe 4.0, etc. will make switching motherboards far more attractive and probably cost effective.

[JustAnotherIntelFanBoy]

36 minutes ago, brob said:

@JustAnotherIntelFanBoy

 

Excuse the rant.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FUTURE PROOFING!*

 

Not that is off my chest, some comments on the builds: If you have considered Z270, why not Z370? Did you consider X99 or X299?

 

Ryzen 7 might be optimal, but that does depend on the software being used. This is especially so as more and more content creation is use gpu acceleration for many processing intensive tasks. 

 

Faster storage is an absolute must for content creation. At the very least get a larger ssd, preferably 1TB. If it could be squeezed into the budget an NVMe drive would be great. In order to improve storage speeds, drop all the blink. No need for RGB memory or lit motherboard. One might even consider dropping to a GTX 1080 and using the savings to improve storage speeds.

 

* in two years the motherboard, regardless of the one purchased will be out of date. Tech advances like DDR5, USB 3.2, PCIe 4.0, etc. will make switching motherboards far more attractive and probably cost effective.

So a B350-f + 1080 and a 1TB SSD is better?

[brob]

1 minute ago, JustAnotherIntelFanBoy said:

So a B350-f + 1080 and a 1TB SSD is better?

Depends a great deal on the workflow, but I suspect yes.

[cj09beira]

@brob 

ddr5, pcie4 and usb3.2 are all features that would not give normal guys any benefit at all, dual channel ddr4 is fast enough given that we very rarely see the quad channel cpus pulling away when they have the same amount of cores, pcie-4 would only help if we had anything that even remotely saturated pcie3 x16 which we do not (not even close to it), usb 3.2 will probably take ages to get adoption going by how fast we are seeing usb3.1 v1/v2 beeing adopted, am4 will be supported until 2020 thats 3 years from now, and if we are correct (using some small assumptions) am4 will have up to 12 core cpus by that time, with more clock and more ipc, which would be a great upgrade path.

z270 doesn't have the cores, z370 will be replaced with z390 in 9-12 months and if x299 was on the table it would be better to just get a threadripper cpu as those are much faster per dollar, 

i don't agree that he should get a lower end board, having good vrms is important when you are relying on this pc to work, 

i do agree that he can get a better ssd, give that you can at least get a nvme 250gb samsung drive for not much more, although capacity he will have to work out himself as we don't know if he wants to do 10 min videos or 2 hour movies

[cj09beira]

3 minutes ago, JustAnotherIntelFanBoy said:

So a B350-f + 1080 and a 1TB SSD is better?

you are using a water cooler and a 8 core cpu don't cheap on the board (assuming 4ghz oc target) as the board wont have much air moving close to it,

[brob]

2 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

@brob 

ddr5, pcie4 and usb3.2 are all features that would not give normal guys any benefit at all, dual channel ddr4 is fast enough given that we very rarely see the quad channel cpus pulling away when they have the same amount of cores, pcie-4 would only help if we had anything that even remotely saturated pcie3 x16 which we do not (not even close to it), usb 3.2 will probably take ages to get adoption going by how fast we are seeing usb3.1 v1/v2 beeing adopted, am4 will be supported until 2020 thats 3 years from now, and if we are correct (using some small assumptions) am4 will have up to 12 core cpus by that time, with more clock and more ipc, which would be a great upgrade path.

z270 doesn't have the cores, z370 will be replaced with z390 in 9-12 months and if x299 was on the table it would be better to just get a threadripper cpu as those are much faster per dollar, 

i don't agree that he should get a lower end board, having good vrms is important when you are relying on this pc to work, 

i do agree that he can get a better ssd, give that you can at least get a nvme 250gb samsung drive for not much more, although capacity he will have to work out himself as we don't know if he wants to do 10 min videos or 2 hour movies

Neither of us really know what tech is around the corner. Besides, why did everyone want DDR4? Why did people want PCIe 3.0 when current titles can't saturate an 8-lane connection? You can make all the arguments you want but they do not negate the fact that upgrading a high-end cpu without upgrading the motherboard is very rarely done. I would also argue the cost of "future proofing" a build is going to be more in future $, than simply replacing outdated components.

 

I agree about the motherboard. A work machine should use a quality motherboard and psu. I've seen too many people sitting idle waiting for a psu or motherboard to be replaced.

[cj09beira]

@brob

i do agree that its a rare sight, but mostly because intel has been running the place and they change boards to quickly with next to no performance uplift, and if amd does deliver a 12 core ryzen (ryzen 2, so expecting it around late 2018 early 2019), independently of the rest will be around 50% faster as it has around 50% more cores, which might be a good upgrade considering only one component has to be changed, i don't think there are other components that we can future proof in a build, maybe the psu by using a bit higher wattage than you need, but thats about it.