Almost Completed Build :)

[Slaxc]

Finished ordering all the parts for my build and wanted to know what people thought. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hQCxpb

 

I'm sure people will comment about Coffee Lake and yes, it would've been a good decision to wait a few days and see what it has to offer but I have a few reasons I didn't go for Coffee Lake.

1) The price, I am on a very very tight budget with this build and wasn't able to go over what I had right now. If I would've gone for Coffee Lake I would've had to spend more on the CPU, cooler, and MOBO. It also would've meant me getting worse parts such as a 1080p monitor or 30$ keyboard.

2) Timeee. Even if I could afford it I would've had to wait a while for everything to come in and yes, if I could afford it I would wait but I honestly thing the 1700 will be a better option for me.

3) I don't do a ton of productivity activities at the current moment but this is my first pc and I've never had the option or availability to expand into different things such as youtube, content creation, modeling, etc. Ryzens gaming performance is not terrible by any means and as it continues to be better optimized it will be even better. It's also a great option for the future. I'm in highschool right now and as college comes along and future events the 1700 will serve me much better.

 

I could ramble on for awhile but I am happy with my decision to go with Ryzen and hope it will serve me well in the future

[RadiatingLight]

Why not the 1600?

it's fine for video editing, and it can save you some money if you want. gaming performance will be the same between the 1600 and 1700.

 

also, B350 motherboards are fine for OC'ing Ryzen 5 or 3, but if you plan on OC'ing the 1700 to 3.9Ghz or even 4Ghz, then you should get an X370 motherboard.

 

I'd personally buy this, which is $50 more, but comes with a 240mm liquid cooler, RGB RAM (Albeit only 3Ghz instead of 3.2Ghz), a better motherboard, and an SSD + HDD combo (more storage, although it's not all sold-state).

 

note that I did change the keyboard to MX Brown switches in order to save money, which I think are better anyway, but feel free to switch back to MX Speed, and maybe drop the liquid cooler if you want to cut costs.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($289.79 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid 240 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($78.13 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX X370-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($174.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Team - Night Hawk RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($155.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($77.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($45.69 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB ROG STRIX Video Card  ($559.89 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT - S340 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($86.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Dell - S2417DG 23.8" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor  ($389.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Keyboard: Corsair - K70 LUX RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($107.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2056.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-02 22:38 EDT-0400

[Slaxc]

1 minute ago, RadiatingLight said:

Why not the 1600?

it's fine for video editing, and it can save you some money if you want. gaming performance will be the same between the 1600 and 1700.

 

also, B350 motherboards are fine for OC'ing Ryzen 5 or 3, but if you plan on OC'ing the 1700 to 3.9Ghz or even 4Ghz, then you should get an X370 motherboard.

 

I'd personally buy this, which is $50 more, but comes with a 240mm liquid cooler, RGB RAM (Albeit only 3Ghz instead of 3.2Ghz), a better motherboard, and an SSD + HDD combo (more storage, although it's not all sold-state).

 

note that I did change the keyboard to MX Brown switches in order to save money, which I think are better anyway, but feel free to switch back to MX Speed, and maybe drop the liquid cooler if you want to cut costs.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($289.79 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid 240 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($78.13 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX X370-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($174.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Team - Night Hawk RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($155.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($77.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($45.69 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB ROG STRIX Video Card  ($559.89 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT - S340 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($86.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Dell - S2417DG 23.8" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor  ($389.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Keyboard: Corsair - K70 LUX RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($107.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2056.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-02 22:38 EDT-0400

I was planning on a x370 but lots of people said its not that important and a b350 will be just fine.

[Slaxc]

3 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

Why not the 1600?

it's fine for video editing, and it can save you some money if you want. gaming performance will be the same between the 1600 and 1700.

 

also, B350 motherboards are fine for OC'ing Ryzen 5 or 3, but if you plan on OC'ing the 1700 to 3.9Ghz or even 4Ghz, then you should get an X370 motherboard.

 

I'd personally buy this, which is $50 more, but comes with a 240mm liquid cooler, RGB RAM (Albeit only 3Ghz instead of 3.2Ghz), a better motherboard, and an SSD + HDD combo (more storage, although it's not all sold-state).

 

note that I did change the keyboard to MX Brown switches in order to save money, which I think are better anyway, but feel free to switch back to MX Speed, and maybe drop the liquid cooler if you want to cut costs.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($289.79 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid 240 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($78.13 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX X370-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($174.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Team - Night Hawk RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($155.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($77.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($45.69 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB ROG STRIX Video Card  ($559.89 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT - S340 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($86.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Dell - S2417DG 23.8" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor  ($389.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Keyboard: Corsair - K70 LUX RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($107.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2056.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-02 22:38 EDT-0400

Do you really think the X370 will make a difference? I already ordered the mobo but I have time to cancel it. 

[RadiatingLight]

4 minutes ago, Slaxc said:

I was planning on a x370 but lots of people said its not that important and a b350 will be just fine.

TBH, B350 is fine, especially on a good B350 board, but it might limit you to 3.9 or 3.8 instead of 4Ghz if you don't have very much airflow in your case.

but since you don't have a cooler, then the stock cooler will be the limiting factor far before the VRMs will (and also flower-style coolers give your motherboard lots of air, so it will be fine). if you're planning on using an AIO, however, (no fans near the CPU) then you should make sure that you have a fan in the back, and in the top-left.

[Slaxc]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

TBH, B350 is fine, especially on a good B350 board, but it might limit you to 3.9 or 3.8 instead of 4Ghz if you don't have very much airflow in your case.

but since you don't have a cooler, then the stock cooler will be the limiting factor far before the VRMs will (and also flower-style coolers give your motherboard lots of air, so it will be fine). if you're planning on using an AIO, however, (no fans near the CPU) then you should make sure that you have a fan in the back, and in the top-left.

I do plan on upgrading to a better cooler such as the Kraken X62 but can't afford it right now. At what point (in OC) do you think the CPU's lifespan will die down a bit? I hope to get around 3.9 or so and hopefully 4.0 in the future. Do you think if I get a good cooler in the future I will be able to OC higher or is the MOBO a big deal? I'd hate to have to cancel and reorder and what not but if it's worth the jump from b350 to x370 I won't mind too much

[RadiatingLight]

1 minute ago, Slaxc said:

I do plan on upgrading to a better cooler such as the Kraken X62 but can't afford it right now. At what point (in OC) do you think the CPU's lifespan will die down a bit? I hope to get around 3.9 or so and hopefully 4.0 in the future. Do you think if I get a good cooler in the future I will be able to OC higher or is the MOBO a big deal? I'd hate to have to cancel and reorder and what not but if it's worth the jump from b350 to x370 I won't mind too much

Maybe make a new thread for this, since I'm not an expert, but if you have fans in the back and top-left, then it should be totally fine. it's just something to be aware of.

[Slaxc]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

Maybe make a new thread for this, since I'm not an expert, but if you have fans in the back and top-left, then it should be totally fine. it's just something to be aware of.

Where would you recommend me making a new thread? Which section?

 

[Streetguru]

31 minutes ago, Slaxc said:

 

Coulda saved a good deal on the keyboard with like a master keys keyboard.

24" is a bit small for 1440p, but I suppose the pixio monitor isn't an option right now.

[Streetguru]

4 minutes ago, Slaxc said:

Kraken X62

Overpriced, not worth it

 

Really a $25 Hyper T4 is going to be perfectly fine cooling Ryzen even at higher voltages. You're just going to want to throw an extra fan on your VRM potentially for overclocking.

[Slaxc]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

Coulda saved a good deal on the keyboard with like a master keys keyboard.

24" is a bit small for 1440p, but I suppose the pixio monitor isn't an option right now.

I actually already got the monitor and am glad I got the 24 Inch, I could've gone 27 but it's honestly too big for me and would've costed a bitmore

[Slaxc]

Just now, Streetguru said:

Overpriced, not worth it

 

Really a $25 Hyper T4 is going to be perfectly fine cooling Ryzen even at higher voltages. You're just going to want to throw an extra fan on your VRM potentially for overclocking.

What is the VRM? I'm new to this stuff, sorry.

[DocSwag]

If you're just gaming a 1700 doesn't make sense. It's paying more for something you MIGHT do.

 

If anything, I would get an 8600k instead. It still has a fair amount of cores but in gaming it'll be definitely better.

[Streetguru]

Just now, Slaxc said:

What is the VRM? I'm new to this stuff, sorry.

The mosfets and stuff that provide power to your CPU, they can get hot with heavier OCs, you probably don't want to go over 1.4V with Ryzen anyways, maybe even slightly below that
 

 

 

[Slaxc]

1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

If you're just gaming a 1700 doesn't make sense. It's paying more for something you MIGHT do.

 

If anything, I would get an 8600k instead. It still has a fair amount of cores but in gaming it'll be definitely better.

Read my reasonings for not going for coffee lake, Ryzen is better performance for the price. I could ramble on but I'm happy with my decision. 

[RadiatingLight]

2 minutes ago, Slaxc said:

What is the VRM? I'm new to this stuff, sorry.

It's the passive cooled heatsink next to the CPU, under which are capacitors and other things responsible for converting the 12v power from the PSU into something more reasonable, like 1.3V for your CPU. this is like a mini-PSU, and creates some heat, which is why VRM temperatures are something that need to be kept in check, especially with overclocks.

 

it's basically what I was talking about with airflow in your case. if you have no airflow, then the VRMs have a hard time cooling themselves, since they're passively cooled.

but any amount of airflow will fix that problem.

[Streetguru]

4 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

8600k

So Ryzen isn't bad at gaming, and it gives you more cores than intel offers at the same price, so it can do things intel can't.

The only one that makes sense in the line up is the top end chip, anything else is pretty handily beaten by Ryzen in Value, since they're 6 core 12 thread chips vs 6c/6t

I can max out my R7 1700 using OBS, it also maxes out doing 4k OBS recording using 7 cores 14 threads of it to do so. and it's barely capable of that.

In addition, Ryzen is going to consume less power, and does not require delidding to get good thermals, makes it a bit less of a headache overall. Only real head ache is the RAM OCing. You can get away with cheaper coolers on Ryzen.
 

[DocSwag]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Overpriced, not worth it

 

Really a $25 Hyper T4 is going to be perfectly fine cooling Ryzen even at higher voltages. You're just going to want to throw an extra fan on your VRM potentially for overclocking.

Not at around 1.4v without making your ears bleed.

2 minutes ago, Slaxc said:

What is the VRM? I'm new to this stuff, sorry.

Voltage Regulator Module. Basically it converts the power from you psu into something your CPU can use.

[Slaxc]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

So Ryzen isn't bad at gaming, and it gives you more cores than intel offers at the same price, so it can do things intel can't.

The only one that makes sense in the line up is the top end chip, anything else is pretty handily beaten by Ryzen in Value, since they're 6 core 12 thread chips vs 6c/6t

I can max out my R7 1700 using OBS, it also maxes out doing 4k OBS recording using 7 cores 14 threads of it to do so. and it's barely capable of that.
 

To add onto this I was looking at lots of 1440p benchmarks and the difference between say an 7700k and 1700 was so minimal. I'm not too sure why it's much more similar but it may just be because 1440p is more demanding on the GPu and not CPU

[Slaxc]

@DocSwag do you have any input on the mobo situation? A b350 or X370? Is it really worth it for me to spend the extra money on a X370 or will the b350 be just fine? I don't plan on SLI by any means btw

[DocSwag]

3 minutes ago, Slaxc said:

Read my reasonings for not going for coffee lake, Ryzen is better performance for the price. I could ramble on but I'm happy with my decision. 

I did, I read them. And the fact of the matter is that more cores doesn't necessarily mean it's better in productivity.

 

A lot of CAD programs for example are very single threaded. Which would see an 8600k doing much better. Gaming would also see the 8600k doing much better. Certain video editing things such as warp stabilization in premier are super single threaded. And if you ever stream, you an always use NVENC for encoding instead.

3 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

So Ryzen isn't bad at gaming, and it gives you more cores than intel offers at the same price, so it can do things intel can't.

The only one that makes sense in the line up is the top end chip, anything else is pretty handily beaten by Ryzen in Value, since they're 6 core 12 thread chips vs 6c/6t

I can max out my R7 1700 using OBS, it also maxes out doing 4k OBS recording using 7 cores 14 threads of it to do so. and it's barely capable of that.

In addition, Ryzen is going to consume less power, and does not require delidding to get good thermals, makes it a bit less of a headache overall. Only real head ache is the RAM OCing. You can get away with cheaper coolers on Ryzen.
 

But Intel can do certain things better than Ryzen.

 

As for thermals Coffee Lake hasn't even released yet so you can't confirm. Plus I don't think Kaby Lake thermals were out of control bad, just a bit on the high side bad.

[DocSwag]

1 minute ago, Slaxc said:

@DocSwag do you have any input on the mobo situation? A b350 or X370? Is it really worth it for me to spend the extra money on a X370 or will the b350 be just fine? I don't plan on SLI by any means btw

If you're OCing with stock cooler it won't matter much. If you are pushing for 3.9 or 4 ghz though I suggest you get at least a board like the prime pro or gaming 5 (not gaming K5)

[Slaxc]

2 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

I did, I read them. And the fact of the matter is that more cores doesn't necessarily mean it's better in productivity.

 

A lot of CAD programs for example are very single threaded. Which would see an 8600k doing much better. Gaming would also see the 8600k doing much better. Certain video editing things such as warp stabilization in premier are super single threaded. And if you ever stream, you an always use NVENC for encoding instead.

But Intel can do certain things better than Ryzen.

 

You're probably right about all of this stuff but I honestly am happy with sticking to Ryzen. I am not a fan of Intel and I don't want to wait the extra time and switch a ton of parts around. 

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, Slaxc said:

@DocSwag do you have any input on the mobo situation? A b350 or X370? Is it really worth it for me to spend the extra money on a X370 or will the b350 be just fine? I don't plan on SLI by any means btw

If you want to get into crazier overclocking you want a better X370 board. The Gaming K3 has External BCLK for more control and is FINE board. before someone responds, otherwise it's like $200 for a Taichi with a super overbuilt VRM

The board you have is more than fine for the average person

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157757&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Motherboards+-+AMD-_-N82E16813157757&gclid=Cj0KCQjwx8fOBRD7ARIsAPVq-NkUmrsntsHFpgaGTAVfb96BJAvoutnguMGJCxZHomnu-9inTfu9GD0aAuEkEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

[Slaxc]

Just now, Streetguru said:

If you want to get into crazier overclocking you want a better X370 board. The Gaming K3 has External BCLK for more control and is FINE board. before someone responds, otherwise it's like $200 for a Taichi with a super overbuilt VRM

The board you have is more than fine for the average person

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157757&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Motherboards+-+AMD-_-N82E16813157757&gclid=Cj0KCQjwx8fOBRD7ARIsAPVq-NkUmrsntsHFpgaGTAVfb96BJAvoutnguMGJCxZHomnu-9inTfu9GD0aAuEkEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Yeah I was looking at that board, I'm an average guy, don't think I need anything to crazy right now and I'd like to save a bit of money. Thanks a ton