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[DocSwag]

4 minutes ago, Slaxc said:

You're probably right about all of this stuff but I honestly am happy with sticking to Ryzen. I am not a fan of Intel and I don't want to wait the extra time and switch a ton of parts around. 

Ryzen isn't a bad choice tbh, I just personally think Intel is a better one.

 

I would say you should go for a 1600 not 1700 though.

4 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

If you want to get into crazier overclocking you want a better X370 board. The Gaming K3 has External BCLK for more control and is FINE board. before someone responds, otherwise it's like $200 for a Taichi with a super overbuilt VRM

The board you have is more than fine for the average person

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157757&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Motherboards+-+AMD-_-N82E16813157757&gclid=Cj0KCQjwx8fOBRD7ARIsAPVq-NkUmrsntsHFpgaGTAVfb96BJAvoutnguMGJCxZHomnu-9inTfu9GD0aAuEkEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

I don't recommend the gaming k3 as the vrms are pretty bad. With it you shouldn't oc beyond 1.35v or you're gonna see horrifyingly hot temps on the vrms (unless you stick a fan at the vrm)

[Slaxc]

1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

Ryzen isn't a bad choice tbh, I just personally think Intel is a better one.

 

I would say you should go for a 1600 not 1700 though.

Why a 1600?

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

Ryzen isn't a bad choice tbh, I just personally think Intel is a better one.

 

I would say you should go for a 1600 not 1700 though.

I don't recommend the gaming k3 as the vrms are pretty bad. With it you shouldn't oc beyond 1.35v or you're gonna see horrifyingly hot temps on the vrms (unless you stick a fan at the vrm)

4+3 is perfectly fine for Ryzen because it doesn't draw that much power even with an OC, you likely just want to throw a fan on the VRM and be set.

[Streetguru]

Just now, Slaxc said:

Why a 1600?

It is a better value for gaming, though if you have the money for the R7 you should probably just get it so you have no regrets about losing 2 cores.

[Slaxc]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

It is a better value for gaming, though if you have the money for the R7 you should probably just get it so you have no regrets about losing 2 cores.

How big of a difference in gaming and what are the max overclocks for both?

[Slaxc]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

It is a better value for gaming, though if you have the money for the R7 you should probably just get it so you have no regrets about losing 2 cores.

Also, don't you think the extra cores will be better in the future? When games become more optimized for the extra cores those will go to use correct?

[Streetguru]

3 minutes ago, Slaxc said:

How big of a difference in gaming and what are the max overclocks for both?

most Ryzen chips will get stuck at 4ghz, There's nearly the same in games, if you actually load up all the cores, you start to see a difference, such as in rendering or streaming

Games will likely make better use of threads in the future, though by that time there's probably Ryzen Revision 2 or 3 to look at for higher clock speeds.

You could also throw the money saved with R5 towards B-die which means you can actually hit 3200mhz and potentially get better gaming performance, but B-die is near $200 for a 16GB kit
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232530

 

[Slaxc]

@DocSwag @Streetguru

 I have a quick question that I saw somewhere one time. A 1700 has 8 cores right, is there a way to completely stop lets say 4 cores so it only has 4 cores running and overclock those much higher than what you normally would with the 8 cores?

[Streetguru]

3 minutes ago, Slaxc said:

@DocSwag @Streetguru

 I have a quick question that I saw somewhere one time. A 1700 has 8 cores right, is there a way to completely stop lets say 4 cores so it only has 4 cores running and overclock those much higher than what you normally would with the 8 cores?

I don't think Ryzen has per core overclocking, but there's no much point in doing that anyways, and you're still stuck at 4ghz on Ryzen.

The Ryzen Master Software may expand to per core overclocking in the future.

[Slaxc]

Just now, Streetguru said:

I don't think Ryzen has per core overclocking, but there's no much point in doing that anyways, and you're still stuck at 4ghz on Ryzen.

The Ryzen Master Software may expand to per core overclocking in the future.

Ahh okay, thanks a ton for all the help. I can't wait to finish this build. I'm extremely tired otherwise I'd stay on for a bit. Thanks again

[DocSwag]

9 hours ago, Slaxc said:

Why a 1600?

Because it's cheaper and for the stuff you're guaranteed to be doing it will perform the same as a 1700.

9 hours ago, Streetguru said:

4+3 is perfectly fine for Ryzen because it doesn't draw that much power even with an OC, you likely just want to throw a fan on the VRM and be set.

Theoretically yes, but the mosfets used in that board have pretty high thermal resistance and aren't exactly the best so you'd end up with really high temperatures @dave_k

9 hours ago, Slaxc said:

Also, don't you think the extra cores will be better in the future? When games become more optimized for the extra cores those will go to use correct?

The main thing I don't expect the 1700 to begin to noticeably beat the 1600 until at least 3-4 years in the future, which is quite a ways out. By that time I think you might be already considering upgrading your CPU.

9 hours ago, Slaxc said:

@DocSwag @Streetguru

 I have a quick question that I saw somewhere one time. A 1700 has 8 cores right, is there a way to completely stop lets say 4 cores so it only has 4 cores running and overclock those much higher than what you normally would with the 8 cores?

You can do that, but the extra overclocking headroom isn't enough to make it worth it. At best you'd be able to squeeze another .1 maybe .2 ghz out of the CPU.

[just_dave]

Get the X370-F.

Dont even think about B350 when buying 8 cores.

For my internal happiness i am getting the X370-F for a 6 core.

[just_dave]

9 hours ago, Streetguru said:

4+3 is perfectly fine for Ryzen because it doesn't draw that much power even with an OC, you likely just want to throw a fan on the VRM and be set.

Nah, you know sheet and talk.

All of the B350s are bad for 8 core.

If you have the cash for 8 core, you have the cash for a decent X370

[DocSwag]

Just now, dave_k said:

Nah, you know sheet and talk.

All of the B350s are bad for 8 core.

If you have the cash for 8 core, you have the cash for a decent X370

To be fair, the b350s are fine under around 1.3-1.35v. It's really just when you push the limit to 1.4v ish when problems start coming  

[Streetguru]

3 hours ago, dave_k said:

 

I have an R7 1700 in a B350 ASrock board, it's fine.

[just_dave]

5 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

I have an R7 1700 in a B350 ASrock board, it's fine.

Overclocked? You have a VRM temp probe?

Seriously, the Gigabyte crappy 4+3 is overheating even with overclocked R5 1600

[brob]

13 hours ago, Slaxc said:

Read my reasonings for not going for coffee lake, Ryzen is better performance for the price. I could ramble on but I'm happy with my decision. 

We don't really know pricing on the new Intel cpu. There is speculation, but nothing is concrete until units actually appear at retail outlets. We have even less of an idea of performance. Again, lots of speculation and rumour, nothing concrete.

 

13 hours ago, Slaxc said:

@DocSwag do you have any input on the mobo situation? A b350 or X370? Is it really worth it for me to spend the extra money on a X370 or will the b350 be just fine? I don't plan on SLI by any means btw

The OP build is fine. Stick with what you have. There is little point in changing your mind now that everything is ordered. Doing so is only going to cost you more. You obviously thought out the build and are happy with it. Don't let yourself get talked into anything, especially since as you said, the budget is tight.

[Streetguru]

4 minutes ago, dave_k said:

Overclocked? You have a VRM temp probe?

Seriously, the Gigabyte crappy 4+3 is overheating even with overclocked R5 1600

3800mhz at 1.375V for daily use. Don't have any temp measuring equipment, I do throw a fan on it for 1.425V benchmarking though

[Streetguru]

1 hour ago, brob said:

 

We don't know the price of the motherboards, very likely they start at $150 or so, CPU prices are already out.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3065-final-coffee-lake-specs-8700k-8600k-8350k

[brob]

Just now, Streetguru said:

We don't know the price of the motherboards, very likely they start at $150 or so, CPU prices are already out.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3065-final-coffee-lake-specs-8700k-8600k-8350k

The prices are Intel prices at the moment. No way to know if those prices will hold for retail. It is possible retail will be higher if demand is very strong. Or, if AMD reduces its pricing, Intel may follow suit. Or, any number of other possibilities.

 

Z270 motherboards start around US$100. I don't see anything to suggest a 50% premium for Z370?

[Slaxc]

9 hours ago, brob said:

 

The OP build is fine. Stick with what you have. There is little point in changing your mind now that everything is ordered. Doing so is only going to cost you more. You obviously thought out the build and are happy with it. Don't let yourself get talked into anything, especially since as you said, the budget is tight.

It's stressful man lol. Sometimes I regret it and wish I would've waited for CL but other times I don't regret it.