1700x or 7700k

[themapler300]

My PC is mostly for gaming and a bit of CAD. Currently running a GTX 1070 with a 1440p 144hz monitor. Should I get the 1700x or 7700k?

[79wjd]

What do you have now? 

[themapler300]

2 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

What do you have now? 

4670k

[TOSaunders]

You're comparing two different beasts. If you want more gaming than CAD, Intel all the way. Ryzen has that multi-core performance, workload king.

[Brooksie359]

Just now, themapler300 said:

4670k

neither. get a 8700k when it comes out. then you will have the best of both worlds.

[ARikozuM]

I would wait for CFL. AutoCAD is pretty single-threaded making Intel quite a bit better and the hexa-cores will provide better rendering if you do any of that. 

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, themapler300 said:

4670k

I mean wait for reviews and make sure it preforms but based on what we know it should be basically a 7700k with 2 mores cores for around 20 more dollars. I love my 1700 and would recommend it for more complex applications in CAD like advance FEA but it isn't as good in gaming and if that is more important for you then intel would be the better option if money isn't a concern.

[Brooksie359]

3 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

I would wait for CFL. AutoCAD is pretty single-threaded making Intel quite a bit better and the hexa-cores will provide better rendering if you do any of that. 

who said they use autoCAD?

 

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

who said they use autoCAD?

 

I'm just used to saying AutoCAD for any CAD software, i.e. Solidworks, Autodesk, etc.

[themapler300]

2 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

I mean wait for reviews and make sure it preforms but based on what we know it should be basically a 7700k with 2 mores cores for around 20 more dollars. I love my 1700 and would recommend it for more complex applications in CAD like advance FEA but it isn't as good in gaming and if that is more important for you then intel would be the better option if money isn't a concern.

From the leaks I read, 8700k will be about $360 while 7700k is $300 now, not to mention Z370 motherboards will likely be overpriced for a while

[Damascus]

4 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

who said they use autoCAD?

 

Autocad is the grandaddy of all CAD software, it's the most respected pro suite.

[Hybris5112]

7900x. Blow pretty every task out of the water for the next 5+ years.

 

Barring that then I agree to wait for Coffee Lake.

[Brooksie359]

Just now, themapler300 said:

From the leaks I read, 8700k will be about $360 while 7700k is $300 now, not to mention Z370 motherboards will likely be overpriced for a while

the release price of the 7700k was like 340. it should end up being not that bad and well worth the extra money. may I ask what you are doing in CAD? because chances are you might not even need more than a 7700k but I still would get the 8700k regardless.

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, Damascus said:

Autocad is the grandaddy of all CAD software, it's the most respected pro suite.

By that you mean that most big businesses use more advance CAD software like PRO-E or solidworks? I mean I always thought of Autocad as the budget CAD software. 

[themapler300]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

the release price of the 7700k was like 340. it should end up being not that bad and well worth the extra money. may I ask what you are doing in CAD? because chances are you might not even need more than a 7700k but I still would get the 8700k regardless.

I help prototype medical devices with solidworks. Guess I'll wait for coffeelake release.

[Damascus]

2 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

By that you mean that most big businesses use more advance CAD software like PRO-E or solidworks? I mean I always thought of Autocad as the budget CAD software. 

Budget cad software? A lifetime copy of basic birch autocad is 5k, not counting verticals (another 5-10k)

 

Not to mention autodesk makes Maya,  revit and inventor.  

 

Oh, I made a typo.  Meant autodesk the company not autocad specifically 

[Brooksie359]

Just now, themapler300 said:

I help prototype medical devices with solidworks. Guess I'll wait for coffeelake release.

ok that doesn't tell me much. If all you are doing is the creating the 3d model then it doesn't really require a powerful cpu. I mean some creation of features might utilize more cores and threads but it really isn't substantial. I mean I got my 1700 for doing design testing on a cargo handling system prototype. We had to do crash simulations which required massive amounts of cpu power. so do you have to do anything like that?

 

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, Damascus said:

Budget cad software? A lifetime copy of basic birch autocad is 5k, not counting verticals (another 5-10k)

 

Not to mention autodesk makes Maya,  revit and inventor.  

 

Oh, I made a typo.  Meant autodesk the company not autocad specifically 

I am a mechanical engineer. almost no big companies that do design use autocad. autocad seems to be way more popular with civil engineering purposes. also 5k for a lifetime license is cheap af. I mean most cost at least a couple grand per year.

[themapler300]

3 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

ok that doesn't tell me much. If all you are doing is the creating the 3d model then it doesn't really require a powerful cpu. I mean some creation of features might utilize more cores and threads but it really isn't substantial. I mean I got my 1700 for doing design testing on a cargo handling system prototype. We had to do crash simulations which required massive amounts of cpu power. so do you have to do anything like that?

 

I didn't even know you could do these things in CAD software. Yea I mostly just model parts and run code for mathematical models which I know does slow my computer quite a bit.

[Damascus]

4 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

I am a mechanical engineer. almost no big companies that do design use autocad. autocad seems to be way more popular with civil engineering purposes. also 5k for a lifetime license is cheap af. I mean most cost at least a couple grand per year.

Again, that's the basic, BASIC software that no-one uses.  Revit costs double that and again, vwrticals cost another 10 grand easily.  Solidworks is only 4k on the other hand.

 

Also, you need to get a new copy of revit every 3-5 years.

 

(Coming from civil engineering/architecture)

[Damascus]

3 minutes ago, themapler300 said:

I didn't even know you could do these things in CAD software. Yea I mostly just model parts and run code for mathematical models which I know does slow my computer quite a bit.

One of my favorite things in the world is simulating a building and stressing the crap out of it until something breaks.  Then tweak it and try again - rinse and repeat.

[themapler300]

2 minutes ago, Damascus said:

One of my favorite things in the world is simulating a building and stressing the crap out of it until something breaks.  Then tweak it and try again - rinse and repeat.

I actually want to try this out now

[ARikozuM]

How did this turn into a thread about cost equalling worth?

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, Damascus said:

Again, that's the basic, BASIC software that no-one uses.  Revit costs double that and again, vwrticals cost another 10 grand easily.  Solidworks is only 4k on the other hand.

 

Also, you need to get a new copy of revit every 3-5 years.

 

(Coming from civil engineering/architecture)

Like I said it seems popular for architecture but I never see anyone using t for anything else.