need help with possible new build

[War91]

currently i'm saving up to build a ryzen based system that can both play games and host a few servers mostly ark servers.

what i'm wondering is will this build work to both play games and host a server at the same time? 

i wont be building this pc until sometime in 2018(hopefully the ryzen refresh is out by then) because i am on Social security so i need to save up for like 8 months b4 i can build it.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vBVkYr

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  ($427.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX X370-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($171.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($168.88 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($168.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($149.99) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($75.04 @ Amazon) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro M Tempered Glass ATX Mid Tower Case  ($94.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: FSP Group - Hydro G 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Amazon) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit  ($138.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $1516.62
 

the games ill be playing are 

League Of Legends

monster hunter world(when it comes out)

Dauntless(ftp monster hunter)

ARK survival evolved

new battrlefront

[seon123]

If you're planning to build it some time in 2018, planning it now isn't of much help. New parts are going to come out and prices are going to change.

 

The 1800X is the same as the 1700, just binned slightly higher. The 212 Evo isn't really worth it. Just overclock the 1700 with the stock cooler, or get a better cooler, like the Dark Rock 3. 

You can get better PSUs than the Hydro G for around the same price. 

[War91]

8 minutes ago, seon123 said:

If you're planning to build it some time in 2018, planning it now isn't of much help. New parts are going to come out and prices are going to change.

 

The 1800X is the same as the 1700, just binned slightly higher. The 212 Evo isn't really worth it. Just overclock the 1700 with the stock cooler, or get a better cooler, like the Dark Rock 3. 

You can get better PSUs than the Hydro G for around the same price. 

i understand were your coming from ill change the cpu over to the 1700 and just use the default cooler ..but that still doesn't tell me if that system would work to host a ARK survival evolved server while simultaneously play ark  and have like 35+ ppl on it that's what maters if it could handel that kinda of a laod

[DocSwag]

If you aren't building until 2018 it's kinda pointless to plan out now. There will be new GPUs by then and maybe new CPUs, so planning now is a waste. Which reminds me, you don't have a gpu in the list.

6 minutes ago, War91 said:

i understand were your coming from ill change the cpu over to the 1700 and just use the default cooler ..but that still doesn't tell me if that system would work to host a ARK survival evolved server while simultaneously play ark  and have like 35+ ppl on it that's what maters if it could handel that kinda of a laod

I can't tell you, I don't know how much load ark servers require.

[War91]

bump

still trying to find out

[War91]

On 9/17/2017 at 9:15 AM, DocSwag said:

If you aren't building until 2018 it's kinda pointless to plan out now. There will be new GPUs by then and maybe new CPUs, so planning now is a waste. Which reminds me, you don't have a gpu in the list.

I can't tell you, I don't know how much load ark servers require.

btw the 1800x i was going to be getting is only 370.99(that includes the tax) at microcenter

[Sage_Masters]

On 9/17/2017 at 1:57 PM, seon123 said:

If you're planning to build it some time in 2018, planning it now isn't of much help. New parts are going to come out and prices are going to change.

 

The 1800X is the same as the 1700, just binned slightly higher. The 212 Evo isn't really worth it. Just overclock the 1700 with the stock cooler, or get a better cooler, like the Dark Rock 3. 

You can get better PSUs than the Hydro G for around the same price. 

CPU: more how it handles multiple tasks, 16GB of ram and running from an SSD, 

you would be using around 30% CPU and 50% Ram

[Sanctorum]

No. It won't do anything since you don't have a GPU.

[War91]

1 minute ago, Sanctorum said:

No. It won't do anything since you don't have a GPU.

again not what im asking....i wanna know if that can handle playing and hosting and streaming possibly.simultaneously..i already have a gpu which is why i didn't add one to that list

[Sage_Masters]

Short answer Yes

[War91]

Just now, Sage_Masters said:

Short answer Yes

long answer?

[Sage_Masters]

Dont know what GPU, but if you have a solid GPU than everything is 100z

an 8 core CPU with 32gigs of ram your system is champion for your needs 

 

[War91]

Just now, Sage_Masters said:

Dont know what GPU, but if you have a solid GPU than everything is 100z

an 8 core CPU with 32gigs of ram your system is champion for your needs 

 

the gpu is irrelevant ..my only concern is if that pc can handle playing games,hosting a ark server with 35+ppl /25 mods and streaming all at the same time(the gpu 9i have isnt that great its a gtx 950 needs a upgrade)

[Sage_Masters]

1 hour ago, War91 said:

the gpu is irrelevant ..my only concern is if that pc can handle playing games,hosting a ark server with 35+ppl /25 mods and streaming all at the same time(the gpu 9i have isnt that great its a gtx 950 needs a upgrade)

Yes the system will handle it without any problems

[Sanctorum]

13 minutes ago, War91 said:

again not what im asking....i wanna know if that can handle playing and hosting and streaming possibly.simultaneously..i already have a gpu which is why i didn't add one to that list

I know what you're asking, and from the information you gave us, you never included a GPU. How are we to know you already have a GPU? What you initially asked would not work since you need a GPU. 

4 minutes ago, War91 said:

the gpu is irrelevant 

It's not irrelevant. You're specifically asking if you can play games. GPU is pretty important for that.

 

Regardless, you're spending money badly. 1800x is a waste of money. An R5 1600 would be fine, but at most, an R7 1700. No need for 32GB RAM, especially not $340. 212 EVO is a poor choice. $140 for OS is just wasting money for no reason.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($196.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($149.61 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($270.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($149.99 @ B&H) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($75.18 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Dual Series Video Card  ($424.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($98.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $1456.62

 

Cheaper AND it includes a GTX 1070, as well as SLI support and I even left in the 32GB RAM. Though, I'd just get 16GB and up the R5 1600 to an R7 1700.

[DocSwag]

2 hours ago, War91 said:

btw the 1800x i was going to be getting is only 370.99(that includes the tax) at microcenter

I would still say 1700 as it's $70 or so cheaper.

 

Regardless, I STILL say that planning now is pointless.

[DocSwag]

1 hour ago, War91 said:

the gpu is irrelevant ..my only concern is if that pc can handle playing games,hosting a ark server with 35+ppl /25 mods and streaming all at the same time(the gpu 9i have isnt that great its a gtx 950 needs a upgrade)

Without a gpu your pc won't even WORK, as Ryzen doesn't have an iFPU. Plus if you're playing games on the pc if you don't have a decent gpu it's gonna look like crap.

[War91]

On 9/19/2017 at 7:28 AM, Sanctorum said:

I know what you're asking, and from the information you gave us, you never included a GPU. How are we to know you already have a GPU? What you initially asked would not work since you need a GPU. 

It's not irrelevant. You're specifically asking if you can play games. GPU is pretty important for that.

 

Regardless, you're spending money badly. 1800x is a waste of money. An R5 1600 would be fine, but at most, an R7 1700. No need for 32GB RAM, especially not $340. 212 EVO is a poor choice. $140 for OS is just wasting money for no reason.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($196.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($149.61 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($270.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($149.99 @ B&H) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($75.18 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Dual Series Video Card  ($424.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($98.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $1456.62

 

Cheaper AND it includes a GTX 1070, as well as SLI support and I even left in the 32GB RAM. Though, I'd just get 16GB and up the R5 1600 to an R7 1700.

 

On 9/19/2017 at 9:00 AM, DocSwag said:

Without a gpu your pc won't even WORK, as Ryzen doesn't have an iFPU. Plus if you're playing games on the pc if you don't have a decent gpu it's gonna look like crap.

first off.....why is every set on the the gpu it should've been obvious i already have a gpu which is why i didn't add one to that list..ill be buying a gpu from nvidia's next gen gpu atm i have a gtx 950 granted its not the greatest gpu but it works good enough for me atm...im expecting ill be able to buy a gpu at the current price the 1080 is that will perform as good as the 1080 ti or close to it....if i had to id get the 1080 now but i'm more focused on getting a system built that i can stream+game+host a ark server on most likely ill just end up getting ryzen 2 cpu when they come out and the reason im planing now is cause ryzen 2 will also be on am4...the part subject to change atm is the cpu/maybe the cooler

 

the reason i have the 212 id for a good cheap cooler until i can get a good water cooler for it

[War91]

On 9/19/2017 at 7:28 AM, Sanctorum said:

I know what you're asking, and from the information you gave us, you never included a GPU. How are we to know you already have a GPU? What you initially asked would not work since you need a GPU. 

It's not irrelevant. You're specifically asking if you can play games. GPU is pretty important for that.

 

Regardless, you're spending money badly. 1800x is a waste of money. An R5 1600 would be fine, but at most, an R7 1700. No need for 32GB RAM, especially not $340. 212 EVO is a poor choice. $140 for OS is just wasting money for no reason.

 

Cheaper AND it includes a GTX 1070, as well as SLI support and I even left in the 32GB RAM. Though, I'd just get 16GB and up the R5 1600 to an R7 1700.

i have 32gb becuase i need it for that system to have any chance of hosting a ark server+streaming+gaming at the same time...im even tempted to max out the ram to 64gb so i wouldn't need to worry

[Sanctorum]

1 minute ago, War91 said:

first off.....why is every set on the the gpu it should've been obvious i already have a gpu which is why i didn't add one to that list.

because you specifically asked about gaming performance. Again, like we've said, GPU is pretty damn important concerning gaming. Also, using a last generation entry level GPU in a $1500 system is just stupid.

2 minutes ago, War91 said:

i'm more focused on getting a system built that i can stream+game+host a ark server on most likely ill just end up getting ryzen 2 cpu when they come out and the reason im planing now is cause ryzen 2 will also be on am4...the part subject to change atm is the cpu/maybe the cooler

Okay, or you could buy a full system right now with a new GPU that is more than capable of that, instead of wasting money on stupid parts you don't need, and then using an old, low end GPU that will hold back your performance.

3 minutes ago, War91 said:

the reason i have the 212 id for a good cheap cooler until i can get a good water cooler for it

It's not a "good cheap" cooler though, it's a shit choice. There are better coolers.

1 minute ago, War91 said:

i have 32gb becuase i need it for that system to have any chance of hosting a ark server+streaming+gaming at the same time...im even tempted to max out the ram to 64gb so i wouldn't need to worry

No, you don't "need" 32GB RAM. 16GB would be adequate. Get 32GB if you want though, since like I showed, you can easily get R7 1700, 32GB RAM and a GTX 1070 for slightly over $1500. Absolutely NO need whatsoever to get 64GB RAM, unless you want to just piss your money away.

[War91]

1 minute ago, Sanctorum said:

No, you don't "need" 32GB RAM. 16GB would be adequate. Get 32GB if you want though, since like I showed, you can easily get R7 1700, 32GB RAM and a GTX 1070 for slightly over $1500. Absolutely NO need whatsoever to get 64GB RAM, unless you want to just piss your money away.

you must not play ark....ark is one of the most if not THE most demanding games out atm...it requires a bare min of 6-8gb just to launch the server then u add mods(i use 25ish) which adds even more ram usage ntm the players add ram useage as well then add streaming on top of that........

the game in of itself uses 6gb as well depending on how u launch it(mine uses 4gb cuz i launch in extremely low memory mode)

the cpu ill prolly end up getting ryzen second gen 1700 which will have better performance or at least equal to the 1800x

 

the gpu is fine im not spending 500$ on a gpu when most likely the next gen gpus from nvidia..maybe even amd will be out by the time i get the main parts for this system and ill get a massive upgrade for 5-650$ vs getting the 1070 now

[Sanctorum]

2 minutes ago, War91 said:

ark is one of the most if not THE most demanding games out atm

Oh yeah, good idea keeping the GTX 950 then lmfao.

2 minutes ago, War91 said:

(mine uses 4gb cuz i launch in extremely low memory mode)

Oh right, so 6GB+8GB=32GB? Or sorry, 4GB+6GB since you run in "extremely low memory mode". Like I said, 16GB RAM is perfectly adequate. 

3 minutes ago, War91 said:

the cpu ill prolly end up getting ryzen second gen 1700 which will have better performance or at least equal to the 1800x

Not sure where you're getting this information from. Or any information regarding Zen 2 for that matter, which is AT LEAST a year away, likely longer. 

4 minutes ago, War91 said:

the gpu is fine im not spending 500$ on a gpu when most likely the next gen gpus from nvidia

but you'll wait ages to pay $700+ for a Volta x80 GPU? K.

[War91]

17 minutes ago, Sanctorum said:

Not sure where you're getting this information from. Or any information regarding Zen 2 for that matter, which is AT LEAST a year away, likely longer. 

but you'll wait ages to pay $700+ for a Volta x80 GPU? K.

i was actually talking about the ryzen refresh i realize how i said it it made it seem i was talking bout zen 2 but i meant the refresh  which WILL be out by the time i buy the cpu so my bad

 

now the 32gb of ram

for a ark server 6-8gbs MIN 16gb is recommended by alot of ppl..so lets assume 6gb for the server to boot..then add mods which will add another 4gb ram useage potentially since the server needs to load the mods(currently at 12gb just for the server) then the players that join the server will add a additional 1-6 gb ram useage ntm i use high rates (sitting at 18gb just for the server) now add streaming obs will prolly use around 4gb for a stable and nice looking picture(22gb atm) ark will use up to 8gb of ram..bringing a total to 30gb..which isn't even including the background application i may have like chrome/steam/gaming softwares/antiviruses/discord,,,16gb would be plenty if the system was only used for a server but its not

[Sanctorum]

3 minutes ago, War91 said:

i was actually talking about the ryzen refresh

which is Zen2.

3 minutes ago, War91 said:

i meant the refresh  which WILL be out by the time i buy the cpu so my bad

Where's your source for this information?

4 minutes ago, War91 said:

now the 32gb of ram

for a ark server 6-8gbs MIN 16gb is recommended by alot of ppl..so lets assume 6gb for the server to boot..then add mods which will add another 4gb ram useage potentially since the server needs to load the mods(currently at 12gb just for the server) then the players that join the server will add a additional 1-6 gb ram useage ntm i use high rates (sitting at 18gb just for the server) now add streaming obs will prolly use around 4gb for a stable and nice looking picture(22gb atm) ark will use up to 8gb of ram..bringing a total to 30gb..which isn't even including the background application i may have like chrome/steam/gaming softwares/antiviruses/discord,,,16gb would be plenty if the system was only used for a server but its not

No, 16GB is adequate with your needs. You're absolutely not going to be using 30GB RAM just to play ARK, run a server and stream. 

 

You absolutely do NOT need 18GB for the server alone, 6GB is plenty, 10GB absolute maximum INCLUDING your mods. 16GB is easily enough to run a server and play ARK. 32GB RAM is absolutely 100% over kill.

[War91]

23 hours ago, Sanctorum said:

which is Zen2.

no there's agoing to be a refresh of the current gen ryzen with better IPC before zen 2 comes..zen 2 wis supposed to be out in early 2018

23 hours ago, Sanctorum said:

Where's your source for this information?

i dont need a source its all over the internet if you took the time to read

 

23 hours ago, Sanctorum said:

Not sure where you're getting this information from. Or any information regarding Zen 2 for that matter, which is AT LEAST a year away, likely longer. 

zen 2 is coming out alot sooner the a year away its supposed to be out early 2018 a lil bit after the refresh for current gen so i am expecting it to be out by june or a lil bit earlier.

also i won't have enough money to build this system until july at the earliest anyway

 

On 9/21/2017 at 8:28 AM, Sanctorum said:

because you specifically asked about gaming performance. Again, like we've said, GPU is pretty damn important concerning gaming. Also, using a last generation entry level GPU in a $1500 system is just stupid.

actually i never asked about gaming performance i only asked if that setup could handle simultaneous server hosting and gaming if you haven't already figured out idc if i have a top of the line gpu i only care if i can get a stable 30+fps in games which atm i cam

 

23 hours ago, Sanctorum said:

No, 16GB is adequate with your needs

ita better to have more ram then you need then not have enough..gives me more room to breathe when hosting/gaming/streaming (at some point)