$650 PC

[TheAmazingCookieFromSquare]

Title  ^ must have full side panel case. Also has to be able to play games in 1080p.

[hconverse02]

Monitor and peripherals included?

[TheAmazingCookieFromSquare]

2 minutes ago, hconverse02 said:

Monitor and peripherals included?

no only pc

[emosun]

you're probably going to be building onto a prebuilt machine at this budget which will get you the most for your money. anything brand new for 650 will be slow cheapo junk

[hconverse02]

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6c8z4C
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6c8z4C/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($169.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($74.49 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($68.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($84.00 @ B&H) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB SC GAMING ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($159.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 88R MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($41.89 @ Newegg) 
Total: $639.34
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-11 16:53 EDT-0400

EDIT: you could cut some corners to get a 1 tb drive in there too like a worse psu or case but I recommend going a bit over for more storage unless you are ok with 240gb

[hconverse02]

1 minute ago, emosun said:

you're probably going to be building onto a prebuilt machine at this budget which will get you the most for your money. anything brand new for 650 will be slow cheapo junk

Not true at all.  Thats why theres a range called the MID RANGE

[TVwazhere]

Intel build

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($89.87 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI - B250 PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($86.88 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($129.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($89.99 @ B&H) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($45.87 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($154.89 @ B&H) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($33.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $681.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-11 16:54 EDT-0400

[TVwazhere]

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[hconverse02]

Just now, TVwazhere said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($89.87 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI - B250 PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($86.88 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($129.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($89.99 @ B&H) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($45.87 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($154.89 @ B&H) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($33.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $681.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-11 16:54 EDT-0400

For under $650, you can get an r5 (much better than a pentium) and in this case, 16gb of ram does not benefit the system whatsoever

[emosun]

1 minute ago, TVwazhere said:

Intel build

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($89.87 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI - B250 PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($86.88 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($129.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($89.99 @ B&H) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($45.87 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($154.89 @ B&H) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($33.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $681.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-11 16:54 EDT-0400

that's terrible , I don't think I would build a pc around a dual core anything. even if it was free let alone spending actual money on it

[emosun]

They cover this in linus videos all the time , when you have a limited budget you buy a previous gen high end build and simply add a gpu and an ssd to it. For god sakes don't limit yourself to pentium dual cores just because it's the cheapest thing on pc part picker.

a nice previous gen i7 machine with a 1060 6gb and an ssd will be such a better machine.

[TVwazhere]

2 minutes ago, hconverse02 said:

For under $650, you can get an r5 (much better than a pentium) and in this case, 16gb of ram does not benefit the system whatsoever

16gb of ram benefits multi tasking, or games that take up tremendous amount of ram like PUBG

R5>g4560, but at a significant price bump that, if the comp is only gaming, will never be felt

And if i may:

PSU is old. 
Only an SSD for storage
For $5 more you can get the EVO

Just now, emosun said:

that's terrible , I don't think I would build a pc around a dual core anything. even if it was free let alone spending actual money on it

Maybe you wouldnt, but others would. And in this case, the G4560 gets sligltyl better frame times than the r3 1200

[hconverse02]

Just now, emosun said:

They cover this in linus videos all the time , when you have a limited budget you buy a previous gen high end build and simply add a gpu and an ssd to it. For god sakes don't limit yourself to pentium dual cores just because it's the cheapest thing on pc part picker.

a nice previous gen i7 machine with a 1060 6gb and an ssd will be such a better machine.

But it's not useful to everyone. Sure it might game 10-15 fps better than an equivalent 2-4 core current machine but it is much less useful for today's modeling, rendering and streaming. Sure you may only get 4c/4t on am4 with a 1500x, but if op decides to want to stream, he can easily with that processor and upgrade to a 1700/1700x/1800 in a second. 

[hconverse02]

2 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

Maybe you wouldnt, but others would. And in this case, the G4560 gets sligltyl better frame times than the r3 1200

Did I say 1200? At $650, when 6c/12t and 4c/8t come into play with r5, that blows both the pentium and its i5 successor out of the water.  Also, with a 1050ti on any of those systems, you would see similar performance, but many more options on ryzen instead of the i5 "upgradability" path

[hconverse02]

6 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

16gb of ram benefits multi tasking, or games that take up tremendous amount of ram like PUBG

R5>g4560, but at a significant price bump that, if the comp is only gaming, will never be felt

And if i may:

PSU is old. 
Only an SSD for storage
For $5 more you can get the EVO

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/htP9gL
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/htP9gL/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($169.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($74.49 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($68.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($89.99 @ B&H) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB SC GAMING ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($159.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 88R MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($41.89 @ Newegg) 
Total: $645.33
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-11 17:08 EDT-0400

 

My bad on the ssd part, but the facts point to a r5 and 8gb of fast ram being much better in gaming and multitasking than a g4560 and it does not matter at all if the psu i put here is old, its fully modular in this open case and op will more likely than not need to use the entire 520w on his/her first build

[emosun]

1 minute ago, hconverse02 said:

But it's not useful to everyone. Sure it might game 10-15 fps better than an equivalent 2-4 core current machine but it is much less useful for today's modeling, rendering and streaming.

what?

I don't know if you know this but if a cpu is faster in every aspect , then it's faster in every aspect. I'm sure you think ryzen is some sort of magical cpu platform that is somehow faster than previous gen i7's , but when it comes down to it previous gen hardware is cheaper and faster.

and btw your ryzen "upgrade path" , requires buying two cpu's in order to get the same performance as last gen higher end hardware. you first have to buy the cheapo cpu , wait months , then buy a better one and hope to god your cheapo cpu can be sold on ebay for anywhere near what you paid for it. it would be cheaper in the long run to buy the higher end ryzen right away.


I honestly hate having to do the thinking for everyone it's so tiresome.

[emosun]

and great build btw , takes me back to the old days of 2004 when 250gb was considered a lot of space.

[hconverse02]

Just now, emosun said:

what?

I don't know if you know this but if a cpu is faster in every aspect , then it's faster in every aspect. I'm sure you think ryzen is some sort of magical cpu platform that is somehow faster than previous gen i7's , but when it comes down to it previous gen hardware is cheaper and faster.

and btw your ryzen "upgrade path" , requires buying two cpu's in order to get the same performance as last gen higher end hardware. you first have to buy the cheapo cpu , wait months , then buy a better one and hope to god your cheapo cpu can be sold on ebay for anywhere near what you paid for it. it would be cheaper in the long run to buy the higher end ryzen right away.


I honestly hate having to do the thinking for everyone it's so tiresome.

If you are to buy a 3770, 4770 or 4790k, your upgrade path is weak and you are left with holding that platform out as long as it can go.  Now i never said or believed that r7s are better than the current i7 lineup but the r5 and r3 lineups are much better than the i5s and i3s will ever be.  

 

Say you buy an intel g4560 and want to upgrade. Ok, spend 200-220 on an i5 or 300+ on an i7.  Thats maybe $200-$300+ if you hadn't bought a z170 or z270 in the first place.  

 

Now say you buy an r3 1200 and want to upgrade to an r5 or r7 for 160-200 and 290-350 respectively.  You already bought a b350 motherboard and need no extra components to overclock (albiet not a lot of overclocking put still plenty see bitwit for more) 

 

Which would you rather have and keep in mind a good overclocking b350 motherboard is anywhere from 60-120 where a good overclockable z270 is upwards of 100?

[TVwazhere]

11 minutes ago, hconverse02 said:

My bad on the ssd part, but the facts point to a r5 and 8gb of fast ram being much better in gaming and multitasking than a g4560 and it does not matter at all if the psu i put here is old, its fully modular in this open case and op will more likely than not need to use the entire 520w on his/her first build

Until games in general are more optimized for more than four cores, the g4560 will still be recommended by me for budget, Strictly Gaming Builds.

If OP comes along and says they want to stream, do any sort of video/audio work or anything more CPU intensive, they should consider the Ryzen build

There's more to a build than just "which CPU and GPU is better", you also have to factor in use-case

[TVwazhere]

11 minutes ago, hconverse02 said:

it does not matter at all if the psu i put here is old, its fully modular in this open case and op will more likely than not need to use the entire 520w on his/her first build

Tell this to the PSU guys over on the Case and PSU thread. They'll likely disagree

[emosun]

2 minutes ago, hconverse02 said:

Now i never said or believed that r7s are better than the current i7 lineup but the r5 and r3 lineups are much better than the i5s and i3s will ever be.  

thats super interesting , but what the heck you on about why would he buy an i3 or i5 or a g4560 ? who's recommending that?

[hconverse02]

1 minute ago, TVwazhere said:

Until games in general are more optimized for more than four cores, the g4560 will still be recommended by me for budget, Strictly Gaming Builds.

I agree, but I think of budget as <$450 because thinking of the g4560 as budget means i5/r5 is mid range and $600-$800 is about that price point

[TVwazhere]

Just now, emosun said:

why would he buy a g4560 ? who's recommending that?

Technically I was  

[emosun]

3 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

If OP comes along and says they want to stream, do any sort of video/audio work or anything more CPU intensive, they should consider the Ryzen build

i'd be surprised if the op responds at all with this mess of a thread

[TVwazhere]

1 minute ago, hconverse02 said:

I agree, but I think of budget as <$450 because thinking of the g4560 as budget means i5/r5 is mid range and $600-$800 is about that price point

Well then, If I may

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($156.08 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($74.49 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($68.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($89.99 @ B&H) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($45.87 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB SC GAMING ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($159.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Series 88R MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($33.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $669.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-11 17:27 EDT-0400

Moved some things around to add a 1tb storage option