New system? Or just upgrade.

[Busconian]

Right now I have an "okay" system. I bought my i5 6400 a year ago, 8GB of RAM, 120GB SSD, 2TB, and a AGING 750ti I bought two years ago because I had to upgrade my Radeon 6450

 

My plan is to just sell the whole and use the cash I got back from it and buy basically everything new.

Old: i5 6400, 8GB 2133, 750ti, G1 Sniper b150m, GTX 750ti, customly sleeved (By Linus himself!) OCZ 600w PSU, 120GB SSD, 2TB HDD, Corsair Spec 01, 212 evo, and some DVD drive.

 

 

New: Ryzen 1600, MSI b350m,  8GB @ 2133, Gigabyte GTX 1080, EVGA 550w Fully Modular Bronze PSU (With eco mode) 120GB Kingston SSD.

 

I won't be selling my 2TB drive and I can get a Fractal Define R4 for free

 

 

Or just scrap the entire idea and buy a new power supply and a 1080 in a month. (Or maybe even wait for Volta)

[LienusLateTips]

Location? Where do you live? How much are you selling the parts for/ total budget

[Princess Luna]

22 minutes ago, Busconian said:

New: Ryzen 1600, MSI b350m,  8GB @ 2133, Gigabyte GTX 1080, EVGA 550w Fully Modular Bronze PSU (With eco mode) 120GB Kingston SSD.

Quite the bad ideas, starting with MSi motherboard, stay away from them, it is by far the worse ones for Ryzen out there, go Asus or AsRock.

 

Secondly, Ryzen Infinity Fabric limits bandwidths a lot, you need at very least 3000~3200mhz frequency RAM of preferably Samsung B-Die to break such limitation (this results in more than noticeable bump in fps).

 

Thirdly, stay away from Kingston SSDs: https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/184253-ssd-shadiness-kingston-and-pny-caught-bait-and-switching-cheaper-components-after-good-reviews

 

Get a SanDisk if you want budget SSD.

 

You want a high end gaming rig to go with a shining GTX 1080 right? may I advise you going Core i7 7700 on a b250 instead? with Intel RAM frequencies doesn't matter as much and the i7 will outperform the R5 1600 while being much easier to deal with.

[JaegerB]

24 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Quite the bad ideas, starting with MSi motherboard, stay away from them, it is by far the worse ones for Ryzen out there, go Asus or AsRock.

 

Gigabyte are great too for Ryzen.

[Himommies]

29 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

starting with MSi motherboard,

It's not that they are bad,but there are always better offerings from the other 2 that for a better price.It's like MSI is treating this like intel

[LienusLateTips]

44 minutes ago, JaegerB said:

Gigabyte are great too for Ryzen.

Except the B350 boards.

[JaegerB]

11 minutes ago, JDE said:

Except the B350 boards.

True. Their AX370 boards are beautiful tho...

[KarathKasun]

1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said:

Quite the bad ideas, starting with MSi motherboard, stay away from them, it is by far the worse ones for Ryzen out there, go Asus or AsRock.

 

Secondly, Ryzen Infinity Fabric limits bandwidths a lot, you need at very least 3000~3200mhz frequency RAM of preferably Samsung B-Die to break such limitation (this results in more than noticeable bump in fps).

 

Thirdly, stay away from Kingston SSDs: https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/184253-ssd-shadiness-kingston-and-pny-caught-bait-and-switching-cheaper-components-after-good-reviews

 

Get a SanDisk if you want budget SSD.

 

You want a high end gaming rig to go with a shining GTX 1080 right? may I advise you going Core i7 7700 on a b250 instead? with Intel RAM frequencies doesn't matter as much and the i7 will outperform the R5 1600 while being much easier to deal with.

Memory bandwidth point is misinformation.  2666 or 2933 is not much slower than 3200 unless you are pushing over 4ghz clocks, which most R5 1600's will not do.  I own one and have done fairly extensive performance testing going from 2133 with VERY tight timings up to 3200 with tight-ish timings.

 

Also using cheapo Hynix memory rated at 2133 and getting 3200 out of it.  2933 takes zero effort, 3200 is a bit of a pain and not really worth it.

 

I also have that board and its VRM is actually just about as good as the cheap 4+2 phase boards.  Though I would suggest getting a B350 Krait/Gaming Pro Carbon or B350 Strix.

[Princess Luna]

35 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

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I said at least 3000mhz as nobody should play games on a ryzen computer without having memory set at least on 2933mhz, Samsung B-Die was preferable as it shows to be more solid at achieving it as @MageTank has excessively proven already.

 

I love when someone tries to play smart-ass but ends up somewhat agreeing with all I said either ways?

 

My concern with MSi is more shifted towards their unstable BIOS resulting in memory overclocking difficulty to noobs in comparison to Asus or AsRock, Never even mentioned VRMs.

Cheers.

[KarathKasun]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

I said at least 3000mhz as nobody should play games on a ryzen computer without having memory at 2933mhz, Samsung B-Die was preferable as it shows to be more solid at achieving it as @MageTank has excessively proven already.

 

I love when someone tries to play smart-ass but ends up somewhat agreeing with all I said either ways?

 

My concern with MSi is more shifted towards their unstable BIOS resulting in memory overclocking difficulty to noobs in comparison to Asus or AsRock, Never even mentioned VRMs.

Cheers.

For the "nobody should play games on a ryzen computer without having memory at 2933mhz", what a load of bull.  The overall uplift from RAM speed with a GTX 1080 is not that great, save for a few games. And if you use any resolution above 1080p, the difference all but vanishes.  The same differences exist on the Kaby platform as well, you just have to push RAM up to ~4000 to see the same gains (which you cant do with a locked chip and B series board without some tinkering).

 

Pretty much everything hits 2933 now from personal experience.  The MSI BIOS was hitting 2933 with garbage 2133 RAM before the 1.0.0.6 microcode, without setting anything more than the base five DDR4 timings.  ASRock OTOH, tends to be a nightmare to set up for memory and Asus can be even more noob unfriendly depending on the board you get, not to mention that the lower end Asus boards have tons of features that are inaccessible compared to the latest MSI BIOS builds.

 

And sorry, I don't put a lot of faith in referencing someone else.  I worked a bit with *chew somewhere else on ironing out memory timings for Ryzen and Hynix before and after 1.0.0.6 dropped. The only advantage B-Die holds in hitting 3200 anymore is the fact that it can hold much tighter timings, in the CL12 range.  If you slack up on timings literally any DDR4 will do 3200, though you may have to do a little work to find out what timings the board gives you for auto/2666 or auto/2800 and then manually put those into the BIOS.  And even some B-Die sticks require that because of poorly programmed SPD.

[MageTank]

50 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

For the "nobody should play games on a ryzen computer without having memory at 2933mhz", what a load of bull.  The overall uplift from RAM speed with a GTX 1080 is not that great, save for a few games. And if you use any resolution above 1080p, the difference all but vanishes.  The same differences exist on the Kaby platform as well, you just have to push RAM up to ~4000 to see the same gains (which you cant do with a locked chip and B series board without some tinkering).

 

Pretty much everything hits 2933 now from personal experience.  The MSI BIOS was hitting 2933 with garbage 2133 RAM before the 1.0.0.6 microcode, without setting anything more than the base five DDR4 timings.  ASRock OTOH, tends to be a nightmare to set up for memory and Asus can be even more noob unfriendly depending on the board you get, not to mention that the lower end Asus boards have tons of features that are inaccessible compared to the latest MSI BIOS builds.

 

And sorry, I don't put a lot of faith in referencing someone else.  I worked a bit with *chew somewhere else on ironing out memory timings for Ryzen and Hynix before and after 1.0.0.6 dropped. The only advantage B-Die holds in hitting 3200 anymore is the fact that it can hold much tighter timings, in the CL12 range.  If you slack up on timings literally any DDR4 will do 3200, though you may have to do a little work to find out what timings the board gives you for auto/2666 or auto/2800 and then manually put those into the BIOS.  And even some B-Die sticks require that because of poorly programmed SPD.

I don't know what you are on about, but no, you don't have to push ram up to 4000mhz to see gains on Kaby. Around 3200 is where diminishing returns kicks in heavily. I know this, because I run some of the tightest dual rank 3600mhz speeds you will ever find on the internet (3600 c14-14-14-28-2 tRFC 270, tREFI 65535, extremely tight tertiary timings, the works). My raw bandwidth matches most 4000+ single rank XMP's, and my latency kills any DDR4 XMP that exists (36ns). 

 

In my personal tests, 2800 is the sweet spot on Intel in regards to DDR4, where you start to get less reward for more effort going beyond that. It's not dependent on resolutions at all, as you must be ignoring your minimum framerate entirely, which tells me your tests must not be as extensive as you are claiming them to be. Either that, or you are not testing enough titles using various engines. The scaling in minimum framerates are resolution agnostic, and as long as your GPU is not the bottleneck the entire time, you will see a gain in that regard. 

 

Ryzen is a different beast, since it's interconnect (and everything attached to it) scales with higher memory frequency. The problem is, you are still limited to which timings you can actually adjust. They gave us access to some tertiary timings, but still neglected to actually give us control over multi-rank timings, and 2DPC timings. On top of that, we have zero control over tREFI, so taming latency is difficult in that regard. Combine this with the fact that Ryzen's IMC is all around weaker compared to Intel, and you have yourself a recipe for heavy memory limitations. Also, if you think 2933 is effortless, go pick yourself up a Micron kit. I've tested several Samsung IC's and both Hynix MFR and AFR, and found 3200 to be relatively easy with my experience, but Micron is next to impossible to reach 3200, even with serious compromises. The same can be said of ANY multi-rank kit. Go grab any 16GB DIMM's (even B-Die like I run on a daily basis) and try to go beyond 2933. It's no easy task.