Your thoughts on Vega

[Bruno_A]

Hey, I was wondering what were you guy's thoughts on Vega. Isn't 350W too much for a card that doesn't even beat the GTX 1080, a 180W card?

 

Thanks, Bruno.

[闭麦听歌]

dont worry, we will know the every think about vega in 8.14. we'd better talk about this when the benchmark come out  

[tom_w141]

23 minutes ago, bruny06 said:

Hey, I was wondering what were you guy's thoughts on Vega. Isn't 350W too much for a card that doesn't even beat the GTX 1080, a 180W card?

 

Thanks, Bruno.

1. The leaks are for the air cooled 295W card so the higher W liquid cooled one will probably beat the 1080.

 

2. Yeah its high wattage so most of the time if you are looking for 1080 performance you'd be better off with a 1080. Vega 64 is for new system builders that want to use the radeon pack discounts or users that want 1080 performance but already have a free sync monitor.

 

3. So far its looking like the gem of the Vega line up is Vega 56. 1070 beating performance at $399. That's damn good considering how inflated 1070s are due to mining + Freesync.

[Jurrunio]

First of all, there are samples of Vega 64 beating GTX 1080, so your claim on their peformance difference is not true in all cases.

 

Whether Vega is too power hungry depends on you. Would you rather pay more on electricity or on hardware? Electricity is cheap here, so I think Vega wins.

 

 

[SlaughterSmurf]

I think vega will be about 10-15% faster than the 1080, and consume like 80% more power. However this is obviously speculation. I'm still happy with my 1080, but like the R9 290 compared to the 780, it's probably the better choice if you're concerned about price/performance, but it's really hot and will require a beefy power supply. 

[Evolution90]

LOL i will say something, my AMD R9 Fury absolutely decimates any Nvidia card in Sony Vegas using OpenCL.

[Mooshi]

A big resounding shrug. AMD cards have bad drivers for my needs so it doesn't matter so long as miner weirdos don't start hording Nvidia cards like deranged crack addicts looool

[Bruno_A]

10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

First of all, there are samples of Vega 64 beating GTX 1080, so your claim on their peformance difference is not true in all cases.

 

Whether Vega is too power hungry depends on you. Would you rather pay more on electricity or on hardware? Electricity is cheap here, so I think Vega wins.

 

 

You're right, I got it wrong. I saw the Vega 56 "leak" on the WAN Show and confused it with the Vega 64, which changes everything. But still, electricity is kinda expensive here in Portugal, so, I guess it wouldn't be a good option for me.

[Bruno_A]

15 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

1. The leaks are for the air cooled 295W card so the higher W liquid cooled one will probably beat the 1080.

 

2. Yeah its high wattage so most of the time if you are looking for 1080 performance you'd be better off with a 1080. Vega 64 is for new system builders that want to use the radeon pack discounts or users that want 1080 performance but already have a free sync monitor.

 

3. So far its looking like the gem of the Vega line up is Vega 56. 1070 beating performance at $399. That's damn good considering how inflated 1070s are due to mining + Freesync.

That makes a lot of sense. Let's see ou the Radeon packs turn out, it sounded good.

[tom_w141]

4 minutes ago, bruny06 said:

That makes a lot of sense. Let's see ou the Radeon packs turn out, it sounded good.

Details are as follows (typing from memory):

 

Red Pack $499:

Vega 56

Wolfenstein and Prey (Free games may vary by region).

$100 off a Ryzen 1700X and motherboard combo.

$200 off a Samsung ~$700 Ultrawide freesync monitor. (Not available in EU)

 

Black Pack $599:

Vega 64

Wolfenstein and Prey (Free games may vary by region).

$100 off a Ryzen 1700X and motherboard combo.

$200 off a Samsung ~$700 Ultrawide freesync monitor. (Not available in EU)

 

Aqua Pack $699:

Vega 64 Liquid Cooled

Wolfenstein and Prey (Free games may vary by region).

$100 off a Ryzen 1700X and motherboard combo.

$200 off a Samsung ~$700 Ultrawide freesync monitor. (Not available in EU)

[Bruno_A]

23 minutes ago, SlaughterSmurf said:

I think vega will be about 10-15% faster than the 1080, and consume like 80% more power. However this is obviously speculation. I'm still happy with my 1080, but like the R9 290 compared to the 780, it's probably the better choice if you're concerned about price/performance, but it's really hot and will require a beefy power supply. 

That was my point, I didn't know if it was worth it to pay less for a graphics card but drawing more power, requiring a better PSU and running hotter.

[Bruno_A]

7 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Details are as follows (typing from memory):

 

Red Pack $499:

Vega 56

Wolfenstein and Prey (Free games may vary by region).

$100 off a Ryzen 1700X and motherboard combo.

$200 off a Samsung ~$700 Ultrawide freesync monitor. (Not available in EU)

 

Black Pack $599:

Vega 64

Wolfenstein and Prey (Free games may vary by region).

$100 off a Ryzen 1700X and motherboard combo.

$200 off a Samsung ~$700 Ultrawide freesync monitor. (Not available in EU)

 

Aqua Pack $699:

Vega 64 Liquid Cooled

Wolfenstein and Prey (Free games may vary by region).

$100 off a Ryzen 1700X and motherboard combo.

$200 off a Samsung ~$700 Ultrawide freesync monitor. (Not available in EU)

Sounds great, lets see how that will be in Europe, if it ever comes to Europe.

[tom_w141]

Just now, bruny06 said:

Sounds great, lets see how that will be in Europe, if it ever comes to Europe

It will. Exactly the same just no monitor.

[SlaughterSmurf]

1 minute ago, bruny06 said:

That was my point, I didn't know if it was worth it to pay less for a graphics card but drawing more power, requiring a better PSU and running hotter.

You said "that doesn't even beat the GTX 1080". I think it will. Is the extra ~10% of performance worth it to you? Personally I live in a hot environment, so it would throttle down to where my 1080 is anyways so I may as well just go with the lower power consumption and the G-Sync monitor I already own. However if you live in say Wyoming where it's cold and power's cheap (I don't know if power's cheap there, I just know it's colder than most places in the US), then why not? If you're not going to be throttling  due to heat, and power doesn't cost an arm and a leg it seems like a fine bargain. 

[Bruno_A]

Just now, tom_w141 said:

It will. Exactly the same just no monitor.

They could do it with Ryzen 5's as well, for example, I wouldn't buy an R7, as it would be overkill for what I do.

[tom_w141]

3 minutes ago, bruny06 said:

They could do it with Ryzen 5's as well, for example, I wouldn't buy an R7, as it would be overkill for what I do.

Unfortunately I think it is 1700X only but if you buy the gpu alone its $100 cheaper.

 

So R5 1600 + B350 motherboard + Vega is cheaper (<) than any Radeon pack.

[Bruno_A]

3 minutes ago, SlaughterSmurf said:

You said "that doesn't even beat the GTX 1080". I think it will. Is the extra ~10% of performance worth it to you? Personally I live in a hot environment, so it would throttle down to where my 1080 is anyways so I may as well just go with the lower power consumption and the G-Sync monitor I already own. However if you live in say Wyoming where it's cold and power's cheap (I don't know if power's cheap there, I just know it's colder than most places in the US), then why not? If you're not going to be throttling  due to heat, and power doesn't cost an arm and a leg it seems like a fine bargain. 

I did say that it didn't beat the 1080, but I got it wrong, I saw the leaks for the Vega 56, beating the 1080, but I confused it with the Vega 64. And yeah, it makes total sense if you live in a "not hot as hell" environment and the electricity isn't expensive.

[SlaughterSmurf]

Just now, bruny06 said:

I did say that it didn't beat the 1080, but I got it wrong, I saw the leaks for the Vega 56, beating the 1080, but I confused it with the Vega 64. And yeah, it makes total sense if you live in a "not hot as hell" environment and the electricity isn't expensive.

I think that once both are overclocked the 1080 will be a bit faster than Vega 56 and a bit slower than Vega 64. I think those 3 cards will all be within like 15-20% of each other like the 290x, 290, and 780 were where 290 was the price/performance option, the 780 was the cool and quiet option, and the 290x was the performance option and the 780ti sitting above them with better performance and a premium price tag. Vega 56 will be price/performance option, 1080 will be cool and quiet option, Vega 64 will be performance option with the 1080ti sitting above them with better performance and a premium price tag. 

[Bruno_A]

4 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Unfortunately I think it is 1700X only but if you buy the gpu alone its $100 cheaper.

 

So R5 1600 + B350 motherboard + Vega is cheaper (<) than any Radeon pack.

So, you get 100$ off on a CPU + Board combo AND 200$ off a free sync monitor because you paid 499$ on the Vega 56 instead of 399$? It makes more sense now, I thought you had to choose between the CPU and Board combo and the monitor  I feel dumb now.

[tom_w141]

13 minutes ago, bruny06 said:

So, you get 100$ off on a CPU + Board combo AND 200$ off a free sync monitor because you paid 499$ on the Vega 56 instead of 399$? It makes more sense now, I thought you had to choose between the CPU and Board combo and the monitor  I feel dumb now.

Correct you get both but I think the monitor is US only

[tom_w141]

57 minutes ago, Mooshi said:

doesn't matter so long as miner weirdos don't start hoarding Nvidia cards like deranged crack addicts looool

They started a couple of months ago and don't seem to be stopping...

[Bruno_A]

15 minutes ago, SlaughterSmurf said:

I think that once both are overclocked the 1080 will be a bit faster than Vega 56 and a bit slower than Vega 64. I think those 3 cards will all be within like 15-20% of each other like the 290x, 290, and 780 were where 290 was the price/performance option, the 780 was the cool and quiet option, and the 290x was the performance option and the 780ti sitting above them with better performance and a premium price tag. Vega 56 will be price/performance option, 1080 will be cool and quiet option, Vega 64 will be performance option with the 1080ti sitting above them with better performance and a premium price tag. 

Well, lets wait and see. I hope it sells a lot, could mean real competition with intel and nvidia in the future, not that they're not competing right now, but maybe it would allow AMD to improve even more.