Replacing Macbook pro 13 touch bar with old 15 retina??

[Pavilion]

I bought the new MacBook Pro 13 - 2.9 GHz i5 with touch bar and I'm kind of regreting it because the keyboard is really bad and I really prefer the old keyboards

so I'm going to the old model with all the ports and the 15" model it has much power with i7, 16gb ram, and a dedicated graphic card even though it really feels too big.

 

what do you think, should I go for the old MacBook Pro with the better specs and io. or should I stick with the 13" with touchbar??  most of my usage is programming and some light editing

[themctipers]

old with much better specs > 5% less power consumption (because intel hasnt been doing shit with IPC)

[The Sloth]

1 minute ago, Pavilion said:

what do you think, should I go for the old MacBook Pro with the better specs and io. or should I stick with the 13" with touchbar??  most of my usage is programming and some light editing

i have a late 15 inch 2013 model( maxed out with a 750m), i love it, the new 2016 models are really a big disappointment for me. 

 

go for it 

[DrMacintosh]

Well the 13" is not a power machine, dual core with integrated graphics. It edits video and productivity apps just as well as anything, but its no quad core 32GB 1TB SSD with a 1080Ti. Neither is the 15" MacBook you are looking at. 

 

It really depends on what you want out of your laptop. Do you need those ports? Do you need those extra cores? Do you need that dedicated GPU? 

 

Remember this is an older CPU architecture and thermal performance will be worse on those machines compared to the new ones. 

 

I personally got the base 2016 13" since I couldn't justify the TouchBar and it was on sale for $1,250 for the 256GB model. I love the keyboard on it, it almost feels mechanical and I can really tell when I press the keys, It makes a great companion to my G610 Orion despite how radically different the two keyboards are.

 

Personally I wouldn't unless you need that extra performance or you think the keyboard is THAT bad. I would rather have the newer machine simply because it is newer. But if you need what the old machine has to offer, and are willing to sell/return your current MacBook.....then go for it.  

 

 

[The Sloth]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

Remember this is an older CPU architecture and thermal performance will be worse on those machines compared to the new ones.

BS

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, nerdslayer1 said:

BS

The CPUs in the new machines are factually more efficient. Now it is true that the thermal designs have changed, I am not convinced that the machines heat up as much as the <2016 model MacBooks. 

 

Sure under a synthetic load you can heat that baby up, but irl not really. I am just not seeing the complaints anywhere. 

[The Sloth]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

The CPUs in the new machines are factually more efficient

agree

 

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

Now it is true that the thermal designs have changed, I am not convinced that the machines heat up as much as the <2016 model MacBooks. 

well, OP is going from a low power "pro" machine to an "older" much powerful computer with a Dgpu and a quad core CPU, yes there will be heat but it won't be that big of a deal. 

 

FYI quad core i7 will produce more heat than duel core U class chip. 

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

well, OP is going from a low power "pro" machine to an "older" much powerful computer with a Dgpu and a quad core CPU, yes there will be heat but it won't be that big of a deal.

I get that, but my concern is does OP actually need that power? Its a 13", he couldn't have bought it thinking he could play Crisis on Ultra. Why spend more money if he doesn't have to? 

[The Sloth]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

I get that, but my concern is does OP actually need that power? Its a 13", he couldn't have bought it thinking he could play Crisis on Ultra. Why spend more money if he doesn't have to? 

it will largely depend on OP. 

 

OP if you can afford it go for it, i love the 15 inch MacBook Pro.  

[Pendragon]

5 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

I would rather have the newer machine simply because it is newer.

no.

 

5 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Its a 13"

thing lags like garbage on NON-apple software. yes all in house apple software like FCP and Logic Pro run great on it. You so much as try to run Adobe or macro-heavy plugin dependent excel loads? Goes to shit. 

[DrMacintosh]

2 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

thing lags like garbage on NON-apple software. yes all in house apple software like FCP and Logic Pro run great on it. You so much as try to run Adobe or macro-heavy plugin dependent excel loads? Goes to shit. 

What are you taking about? I have the base 2016 13" model. This thing runs Premier, Photoshop, and InDesign without a hitch. 

 

I love this machine, its only limiting factor is its Iris GPU. Other than that it hasn't been unable to deliver on everything I ask it to do. 

[Pendragon]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

What are you taking about? I have the base 2016 13" model. This thing runs Premier, Photoshop, and InDesign without a hitch. 

LOL. just means your work isn't advanced enough to push it hard. I know for a fact that Premiere doesn't edit 4k footage at all on the 13in. You're 100% working with 1080p. Not to mention 8gb of ram isn't enough for jack shit on Premiere.

 

Even on the 15in large 4k projects large like garbage because 16gb limitation on the ram. 8k is completely unusable. 

 

As for Photoshop, you're not working with enough. For casual use, sure it's enough. But if you're actually planning to work on this thing, it's rip in pieces. 

[DrMacintosh]

19 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

LOL. just means your work isn't advanced enough to push it hard. I know for a fact that Premiere doesn't edit 4k footage at all on the 13in. You're 100% working with 1080p. Not to mention 8gb of ram isn't enough for jack shit on Premiere.

 

Even on the 15in large 4k projects large like garbage because 16gb limitation on the ram. 8k is completely unusable. 

 

As for Photoshop, you're not working with enough. For casual use, sure it's enough. But if you're actually planning to work on this thing, it's rip in pieces. 

I went through an entire Adobe Certification class using machines with 8GB of RAM, I edited the better half of the class on this MacBook Pro, and I did work with 4K footage from time to time. All without trouble.  

 

Playback of native 4K in the project viewer will result in lower performance but all you have to do is scale it back, its not like you could show that full resolution in that small preview. 

 

As for Photoshop, again I went through an entire certification course and used this machine in it. As well as Illustrator and InDesign. 

[Pendragon]

7 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

entire certification course

those aren't even hard. it's a basic certification that demonstrates you know what the buttons are. 

 

7 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

etter half of the class on this MacBook Pro

your class has some shitty machines. you do know on Priemere it doesn't matter right. It's just who has the best specced machine. 

 

7 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I did work with 4K footage from time to time

and they barely work. a duo core does not run 4k well at all.

 

https://www.cinema5d.com/is-the-new-macbook-pro-2016-fast-enough-for-4k-video-editing/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivu55JZ8vrk

 

[DrMacintosh]

18 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

your class has some shitty machines

Actually the class was equipped with 1440p infinity Edge monitors, 4 core 8thread Skylake i7s, 64GB of RAM, and Quadro GPUs. 

 

I just own a MacBook and Desktop with 8GB of RAM. 

 

Yes, they do struggle with 4K in the way that editors that are as unoptimized as Premiere, however you downscale that to 1080p in your preview and you don't have any issues. 

 

I think you like hating on dual cores without giving them the credit they deserve.