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54 minutes ago, SCGazelle said:

Hello! I was going to replace my desktops with a powerful laptop but I'm going to wait on that for a couple of years. For now, I need an ultrabook under $1000. I would like a 250gb+ ssd but I guess that might not be an option for some laptops. Purpose of this laptop will be a ton of office work. A good keyboard is greatly appreciated. I will be getting a mouse to go along with it. It will also have to keep up with Illustrator and Photoshop but don't need to excel at it. So far I have found 3 options:

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Why not get the XPS13 9550 6560U last gen one? They go for like 1k for 512gb with the Iris Pro graphics.

Hello! I was going to replace my desktops with a powerful laptop but I'm going to wait on that for a couple of years. For now, I need an ultrabook under $1000. I would like a 250gb+ ssd but I guess that might not be an option for some laptops. Purpose of this laptop will be a ton of office work. A good keyboard is greatly appreciated. I will be getting a mouse to go along with it. It will also have to keep up with Illustrator and Photoshop but don't need to excel at it. So far I have found 3 options:

 

Surface Pro 4 (i5, 8gb ram, 256gb pcie ssd):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01606IDL0/ref=twister_B0169A7O62?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

$970+$89(keyboard)=$1059

 

Dell XPS13 (i5, 8gb, 256gb pcie ssd):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PYYPFG/ref=twister_B0141R3OV4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

$1100

 

Razer Blade Stealth late 2016 (i5, 8gb, 128gb nvme i think ssd)

https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Stealth-Ultrabook-Generation-Windows/dp/B01N2HO0VA/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495848577&sr=1-1&keywords=Razer+Blade+Stealth+12.5"+QHD+Ultrabook+(7th+Generation+Intel+Core+i5%2C+8GB+RAM%2C+128GB+SSD%2C+Windows+10)

$900+$25(dbrand skin to cover up the logo)=$925

 

Other options are appreciated but I would like them to be of similar or higher caliber as the xps or surface. 

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Not the Razer Blade. I would go with the XPS

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9 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Lol Def.  Xps 13 or wait for the surface pro 5

surface pro is going to be out of my price range for similar specs + keyboard.

 

10 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Not the Razer Blade. I would go with the XPS

So XPS 13 over surface? k. I just threw in the blade cuz it was in the price range. Are the thermals the issue for the stealth as well?

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9 minutes ago, SCGazelle said:

surface pro is going to be out of my price range for similar specs + keyboard.

 

So XPS 13 over surface? k. I just threw in the blade cuz it was in the price range. Are the thermals the issue for the stealth as well?

Stealth has some thermal issues, and build issues with internal components( razer uses cheap components). get the xps, surface pro 5 is good but not worth it for the price. 

 

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4 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

Stealth has some thermal issues, and build issues with internal components( razer uses cheap components). get the xps, surface pro 5 is good but not worth it for the price. 

 

please note that the vrm issues extends to the skylake AND kaby lake models as people who have done teardowns have shown that Razer has done exaactly 0 changes and just swapped out the CPU and GPU chip for newer things. The underlying layout has not changed. 

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18 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

Stealth has some thermal issues, and build issues with internal components( razer uses cheap components). get the xps, surface pro 5 is good but not worth it for the price. 

 

ok. I'll scratch the stealth from the list. I'm not considering the Pro 5 because its not in my budget anyway. But how about the pro 4? It is a similar price to the xps for the same specs? I don't mind getting the XPS but I want to know why I shouldn't get the pro 4.

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Just now, SCGazelle said:

ok. I'll scratch the stealth from the list. I'm not considering the Pro 5 because its not in my budget anyway. But how about the pro 4? It is a similar price to the xps for the same specs? I don't mind getting the XPS but I want to know why I shouldn't get the pro 4.

pro 4 is awesome, i was thinking more for battery life, keyboard and screen. 

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54 minutes ago, SCGazelle said:

Hello! I was going to replace my desktops with a powerful laptop but I'm going to wait on that for a couple of years. For now, I need an ultrabook under $1000. I would like a 250gb+ ssd but I guess that might not be an option for some laptops. Purpose of this laptop will be a ton of office work. A good keyboard is greatly appreciated. I will be getting a mouse to go along with it. It will also have to keep up with Illustrator and Photoshop but don't need to excel at it. So far I have found 3 options:

2

Why not get the XPS13 9550 6560U last gen one? They go for like 1k for 512gb with the Iris Pro graphics.

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This one is significantly better than the other three you posted.  It's also the only one that actually has a quad-core CPU.

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9 hours ago, Pendragon said:

Why not get the XPS13 9550 6560U last gen one? They go for like 1k for 512gb with the Iris Pro graphics.

This one?

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-9350-Touchscreen-Generation-Refurbished/dp/B06X9HHXY8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495853094&sr=8-1&keywords=XPS+13+iris+pro

What's the difference from a mobile i7 and a mobile i5? Aren't they both 2 core 4 thread. Do the i7s just have higher boost clocks? Anyways, the Iris graphics will be very helpful. I think that's what I'm going to get. Thanks!

 

9 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

This one is significantly better than the other three you posted.

it's not really what I'm looking for. I'm not going to be doing any gaming or video rendering on this. It's solely for graphic design on the go and office work. In a couple of years I'll get a mobile workstation with a higher budget but right now I'm looking for an ultrabook.

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43 minutes ago, SCGazelle said:

surface pro is going to be out of my price range for similar specs + keyboard.

 

No, still get the 4, just get it on the cheap when the 5 drops

Want to custom loop?  Ask me more if you are curious

 

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3 minutes ago, SCGazelle said:

Anyways, the Iris graphics will be very helpful. I think that's what I'm going to get. Thanks!

http://www.ultrabookreview.com/10395-dell-xps-13-9550-iris-540/

^ use this guide to squeeze everything out of it. 

 

http://www.ultrabookreview.com/10167-laptop-undervolting-overcloking/

^ high level overview useful

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9 hours ago, Damascus said:

No, still get the 4, just get it on the cheap when the 5 drops

sorry for the confusion. I meant surface pro as in what microsoft calls the surface pro 5 in that post. The surface pro 4 is cheaper than the xps 13 that I'm looking at so it's an option but the xps that pendragon showed me is a little more powerful.

 

9 hours ago, Pendragon said:

just bought it (i need it really soon). Thanks. I will definitely take a look at those articles

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4 minutes ago, SCGazelle said:

it's not really what I'm looking for. I'm not going to be doing any gaming or video rendering on this. It's solely for graphic design on the go and office work. In a couple of years I'll get a mobile workstation with a higher budget but right now I'm looking for an ultrabook.

So weight over performance?  In that case, look at this one.  If you get the Surface Pro, you should consider getting the new pen when it comes out.

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Just now, JoostinOnline said:

So weight over performance?  In that case, look at this one.  If you get the Surface Pro, you should consider getting the new pen when it comes out.

why would u get it over the xps13 though?

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10 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

don't think someone looking for an XPS 13 is looking for a gaming laptop. 

It was far better performance for a lower cost.  I felt like it was worth mentioning, just in case. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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5 minutes ago, SCGazelle said:

just bought it (i need it really soon). Thanks. I will definitely take a look at those articles

return it. It's Amazon. get something like this.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-DELL-XPS-13-9350-6TH-GEN-I7-6560U-16GB-512GB-SSD-INFINITY-QHD-TOUCH-10-PRO-/331843064696?hash=item4d43635378:g:Bw4AAOSwoydWp5av

 

You should be getting 16gb + 512gb + 540 Iris for around 1.1k. The amazon link you showed me is overpriced. 

 

disclaimer: not saying buy from this specific ebay seller. i'm saying you should look at ebay refurbished options. 

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3 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

why would u get it over the xps13 though?

It's cheaper, and the new pen is backwards compatible.  Honestly that's it.  They aren't that much different.

1 minute ago, nerdslayer1 said:

won't fit OP usecase 

It would actually.  It's certainly capable of everything he wants to do, with the added bonus of being more powerful.  But he doesn't want it, and that's fine.  I'm not trying to convince him.

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1 minute ago, Pendragon said:

you're killing me. What makes it better though? From what I can tell, it trades Iris graphics for a 512gb storage. I am fine with 256gb. 

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8 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

It's cheaper, and the new pen is backwards compatible.  Honestly that's it.  They aren't that much different.

It would actually.  It's certainly capable of everything he wants to do, with the added bonus of being more powerful.  But he doesn't want it, and that's fine.  I'm not trying to convince him.

surface still has its problems, the laptop you suggested had shit display, build quality, battery life and most importantly it does not fit OPs needs. "being more powerful" is not always the main point of a device. 

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1 hour ago, SCGazelle said:

you're killing me. What makes it better though? From what I can tell, it trades Iris graphics for a 512gb storage. I am fine with 256gb. 

but it doesn't trade graphics...it has the 6560U aka Skylake Iris Pro with 512gb of storage, 16gb of ram AND cheaper. 

 

also covered by dell warranty until the end of this year. 

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(Retired) Zbook 15: i7-6820HQ, M2000M, 32gb, 512gb SSD + 2tb HDD, 4k Dreamcolor

(Retired) Alienware 15 R3: i7-6820HK, GTX1070, 16gb, 512 SSD + 1tb HDD, 1080p

(Retired) T560: i7-6600U, HD520, 16gb, 512gb SSD, 1620p

(Retired) P650RS: i7-6820HK, 1070, 16gb, 512gb + 1tb HDD, 4k Samsung PLS

(Retired) MBP 2012 Retina: i7-3820QM, GT650M, 16gb, 512gb SSD, 1800p

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