Intel 2011 vs AMD Ryzen

[lawrencep93]

So I am planning a new build to upgrade my i7-4930k and 780Ti 32GB DDR3 Ram.

Uses, Some gaming I like racing games have a wheel as well. Video editing, needing a lot of ram to run 2 windows with 100 tabs of chrome. Also want to try and move into a mid tower or a blacked out full tower which isn't huge.

Budget $3800 Australian Dollars.

AMD BUILD:
 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - RYZEN 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  ($678.00 @ Shopping Express) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($228.80 @ Skycomp Technology) 
Motherboard: Asus - CROSSHAIR VI HERO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($349.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($366.74 @ Skycomp Technology) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($169.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Xtreme Edition 11G Video Card  ($1229.00 @ Umart) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Evolv ATX Glass ATX Mid Tower Case  ($279.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($173.60 @ Skycomp Technology) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full 32/64-bit  ($259.00 @ IJK) 
Total: $3732.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Intel Build:
 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-6800K 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($595.00 @ Scorptec) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($228.80 @ Skycomp Technology) 
Motherboard: Asus - SABERTOOTH X99 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($495.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Memory: G.Skill - Flare X 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($335.00 @ Umart) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($169.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Extreme Video Card  ($1349.00 @ Scorptec) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Quiet 600Q ATX Full Tower Case  ($189.00 @ Scorptec) 
Power Supply: Corsair - 750W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($217.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full 32/64-bit  ($259.00 @ IJK) 
Total: $3836.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-07 08:11 AEST+1000

 

[Enderman]

Ryzen IMO.

[The Sloth]

1700 competes with a 5960x/ 6900k fyi. 

[stealth80]

1700 clocks as high as a 1800x if you wanna save a little

 

[lawrencep93]

3 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

1700 competes with a 5960x/ 6900k fyi. 

Actually I just noted in my intel build I should be on the 6850k as an upgrade to my current 4930k, just the price increase I think over 3 years due to the Aussie $ might mean AMD for my next build.

 

Closer build but really pushing my budget

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-6850K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($869.00 @ IJK) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($228.80 @ Skycomp Technology) 
Motherboard: Asus - SABERTOOTH X99 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($495.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Memory: G.Skill - Flare X 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($335.00 @ Umart) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($169.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Video Card  ($1179.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Quiet 600Q ATX Full Tower Case  ($189.00 @ Scorptec) 
Power Supply: Corsair - 750W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($217.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full 32/64-bit  ($259.00 @ IJK) 
Total: $3940.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-07 08:21 AEST+1000

[The Sloth]

Just now, lawrencep93 said:

Actually I just noted in my intel build I should be on the 6850k as an upgrade to my current 4930k, just the price increase I think over 3 years due to the Aussie $ might mean AMD for my next build.

 

Closer build but really pushing my budget

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-6850K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($869.00 @ IJK) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($228.80 @ Skycomp Technology) 
Motherboard: Asus - SABERTOOTH X99 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($495.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Memory: G.Skill - Flare X 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($335.00 @ Umart) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($169.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Video Card  ($1179.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Case: Corsair - Carbide Quiet 600Q ATX Full Tower Case  ($189.00 @ Scorptec) 
Power Supply: Corsair - 750W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($217.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full 32/64-bit  ($259.00 @ IJK) 
Total: $3940.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-07 08:21 AEST+1000

 

looks good but get a air cooler if you are going to use this as a workhorse, a good cooler like DH-15 or Darkrock pro 3. 

[DrMikeNZ]

11 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

1700 competes with a 5960x/ 6900k fyi. 

For most things, although not everything, my 1700 takes twice as long to run my niche workload than my 6900K and is on par with my old 3930K.

 

Get an R7 1700 and overclock it. Only get the 1800X if you are concerned about AMD's stock price performance and want to give AMD more money.

Edited May 6, 2017 by DrMikeNZ
Improved clarity

[The Sloth]

Just now, DrMikeNZ said:

Get an R7 1700 and overclock it. Only get the 1800X if you are concerned about AMD's stock performance and want to give AMD more money.

 

not really worth it, get a 1700 and overclock it.

 

1 minute ago, DrMikeNZ said:

For most things, although not everything, my 1700 takes twice as long to run my niche workload than my 6900K and is on par with my old 3930K.

 

keyword niche workload, it will depend on the work. for most pure CPU usage tasks 1800x and a 6900k/5960x are equal.  

[lawrencep93]

Thanks for the replies basically water cooling for lower noise I have the 61x in my system at the moment and love the quiet idle noise compared to past air coolers.

 

Will be overclocking both CPU's my i7-4930k got to 4.6Ghz.

 

Might check the Ryzon 1700 then is there really no difference when overclocking it not even silicon lottery wise having the better chips given to 1800x rather than 1700?

[DrMikeNZ]

2 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

not really worth it, get a 1700 and overclock it.

I am not talking about the R7 1700's stock clock speed, but AMD's stock price which hasn't been great for investors lately.

[The Sloth]

Just now, DrMikeNZ said:

I am not talking about the R7 1700's stock clock speed, but AMD's stock price which hasn't been great for investors lately.

off topic, long as AMD keeps improving they should do fine. AMD has fallen behind by a lot, just recently they began improving, trying to catch up. 

[lawrencep93]

20 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

off topic, long as AMD keeps improving they should do fine. AMD has fallen behind by a lot, just recently they began improving, trying to catch up. 

I think AMD stock has done very well and was overbought hence the 20% drop correction because if you bought AMD stocks 1 year ago you would still have doubled your money, was something like a 300% stock price increase and they were still making losses.

[Aereldor]

@lawrencep93- Ryzen, but with a more value-oriented configuration. Note that you've got an overkill motherboard with very little mass storage. You've also got slow RAM, which is a sin with Ryzen given how much faster RAM improves performance.

This build has equal CPU performance (3200MHz RAM greatly increases IPC), two GTX 980 Tis, four times as much SSD storage (not NVMe, but still more than fast enough for consumers), and a top-tier dual-tower air cooler that puts the majority of AIOs to shame. The Ryzen 1700 should clock as high as the 1800X's stock speeds, possibly a little more, so with that and the fast 3200MHz memory, you'll get better performance than a stock 1800x with slow memory.

The best part? It costs the same as your other builds while completely outperforming them.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($428.00 @ Shopping Express) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($115.00 @ IJK) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 SLI PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($225.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LED 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($335.00 @ Umart) 
Storage: Crucial - MX300 1.1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($389.00 @ PLE Computers) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($1099.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($1099.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($139.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Power Supply: Cooler Master - VSM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($149.00 @ Mwave Australia) 
Other: Windows 10 OEM Key (Kinguin) ($35.00)
Total: $4013.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-07 09:21 AEST+1000

[lawrencep93]

1 minute ago, Aereldor said:

@lawrencep93- Ryzen, but with a more value-oriented configuration. Note that you've got an overkill motherboard with very little mass storage. You've also got slow RAM, which is a sin with Ryzen given how much faster RAM improves performance.

This build has equal CPU performance (3200MHz RAM greatly increases IPC), two GTX 980 Tis, four times as much SSD storage (not NVMe, but still more than fast enough for consumers), and a top-tier dual-tower air cooler that puts the majority of AIOs to shame. The Ryzen 1700 should clock as high as the 1800X's stock speeds, possibly a little more, so with that and the fast 3200MHz memory, you'll get better performance than a stock 1800x with slow memory.

The best part? It costs the same as your other builds while completely outperforming them.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($428.00 @ Shopping Express) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($115.00 @ IJK) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 SLI PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($225.00 @ Shopping Express) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LED 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($335.00 @ Umart) 
Storage: Crucial - MX300 1.1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($389.00 @ PLE Computers) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($1099.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($1099.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($139.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Power Supply: Cooler Master - VSM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($149.00 @ Mwave Australia) 
Other: Windows 10 OEM Key (Kinguin) ($35.00)
Total: $4013.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-07 09:21 AEST+1000

Should have mentioned I have 6 x 4TB + 256GB SSD drives to transfer over from my current PC hence the more expensive motherboard.

Might go for that build you just made with a single 1080Ti.
The reason for the NVMe drive is for video editing, my laptop right now hammers on video editing with RAID 0 M.2 sata drives.

Don't exactly trust Kinguin for windows 10 rather buy retail USB
That motherboard puts the M.2 Sata drive under the GPU cooler, would this lead to possible over heating? I was going to put a thermal pad on my M.2 Sata drive and have cool air run over it in the other builds.

Thanks for the tip on Memory I didn't see that kit actually as that is quite a good price on anything as that same kit is $500 elsewhere but cheap on pre order at umart hopefully it is not a price glitch on their website!

[brob]

@lawrencep93,

 

The memory kit in the Intel build is intended for AMD AM4 motherboards. The Sabertooth X99 motherboard is not on the kit's QVL. Consider something like Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory if you move to a motherboard that will support DDR4-3200, otherwise Kingston HyperX Fury Black.

 

One advantage of Intel X99 is the ability to handle up to 128GB of high speed memory, see the Asus X99-A II motherboard. (Although the Sabertooth X99 spec lists support to DDR4-2400.) AMD appears to currently be limited to 64GB @ DDR4-2666 regardless of what the specs say.

 

The i7-6800K is a decent cpu and offers performance similar to the i7-6850K. 

[lawrencep93]

11 minutes ago, brob said:

@lawrencep93,

 

The memory kit in the Intel build is intended for AMD AM4 motherboards. The Sabertooth X99 motherboard is not on the kit's QVL. Consider something like Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory if you move to a motherboard that will support DDR4-3200, otherwise Kingston HyperX Fury Black.

 

One advantage of Intel X99 is the ability to handle up to 128GB of high speed memory, see the Asus X99-A II motherboard. (Although the Sabertooth X99 spec lists support to DDR4-2400.) AMD appears to currently be limited to 64GB @ DDR4-2666 regardless of what the specs say.

 

The i7-6800K is a decent cpu and offers performance similar to the i7-6850K. 

4x8GB is what I was looking for most builds, not crazy enough to go 4 x 16GB yet.

 

What are thoughts of waiting till August for the next Intel Release do you think they will bring it to AMD and offer something similar prices to the 1800x with similar spec in the x299 platform?

[brob]

14 minutes ago, lawrencep93 said:

4x8GB is what I was looking for most builds, not crazy enough to go 4 x 16GB yet.

 

What are thoughts of waiting till August for the next Intel Release do you think they will bring it to AMD and offer something similar prices to the 1800x with similar spec in the x299 platform?

If you can wait, I would. This will give AMD and its motherboard manufacturers time to (hopefully) fully address Ryzen memory issues. And I agree that Intel may well have to adjust X299 pricing to be more competitive with Ryzen.

[lawrencep93]

1 minute ago, brob said:

If you can wait, I would. This will give AMD and its motherboard manufacturers time to (hopefully) fully address Ryzen memory issues. And I agree that Intel may well have to adjust X299 pricing to be more competitive with Ryzen.

I can wait just got a few small issues with my current PC which only pop up when I reboot so if I just let it run 24/7 for a few months all is good