Ryzen v Intel

[theminnesotanman]

I will be streaming here soon so i will be building a computer in the next few months. I have 2 builds made one intel https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BMD2LD and one ryzen https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z8mqJV i am pretty dead set on the build (Yes i know the h100i v2 is $50 cheaper..... but that rgb tho) I am a very indecisive person and i have been reading up on cpu's and i have seen that the kabylake and skylake x chips will be coming out roughly juneish (i think) I want to know if ryzen would be  a safe way to go or intel. I just want my computer to stream as well as possible and still get great performance in game. Money isn't too much of a concern but i do not want to waste money if i can (I will however spend more on ascetically pleasing stuff ie an x62)  So basically what will last longer and perform better ryzen or intel  OR should i wait to see what the new intel chips bring to the table?

 

 

[theminnesotanman]

Also why does this blasted site use overtype mode?

[RadiatingLight]

1 minute ago, theminnesotanman said:

Also why does this blasted site use overtype mode?

it doesn't

hit insert on your keyboard, and it will fix it.

[theminnesotanman]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

it doesn't

hit insert on your keyboard, and it will fix it.

okay disregard the second post kek mb

[genexis_x]

If money is not an issue, go for Intel.

Better wait for X299 to come.

 

BTW, why not 1080Ti?

[RadiatingLight]

Intel's new chips are still pretty far away.

 

Ryzen has more cores, so it's better for streaming, but I'd advise you to get a 1700 and overclock, or a 1600 + 1080Ti if you want to really go ballz to the wall. (although this may hurt streaming performance a bit)

 

I'd personally go with Ryzen, but make sure to get some nice Samsung B-die RAM. Flare X is the most simple to get, but most 3200Mhz CL14 or better RAM is B-die.

 

 

 

[theminnesotanman]

because i will not be doing 4k and the 1080 suits my needs effectively for what i need. When about is x299 coming out? 

[Droidbot]

x99 is dead, go for ryzen

 

1700 if you are overclocking is better 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($316.88 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X62 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($158.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: ASRock X370 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($198.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($138.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($179.00 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($117.45 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card  ($684.79 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: NZXT S340 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.49 @ SuperBiiz) 
Monitor: Acer GN246HL 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($182.99 @ B&H) 
Monitor: Acer GN246HL 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($182.99 @ B&H) 
Total: $2340.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-04 02:15 EDT-0400

 

Go big or go home

 

Changed RAM to 100% speed Trident-Z, which runs at full 3200Mhz on Ryzen - your old LPX kit would run at 2933

Changed to a better mobo

Changed to a better GPU (remove if you want)

[theminnesotanman]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

Intel's new chips are still pretty far away.

 

Ryzen has more cores, so it's better for streaming, but I'd advise you to get a 1700 and overclock, or a 1600 + 1080Ti if you want to really go ballz to the wall. (although this may hurt streaming performance a bit)

 

I'd personally go with Ryzen, but make sure to get some nice Samsung B-die RAM. Flare X is the most simple to get, but most 3200Mhz CL14 or better RAM is B-die.

 

 

 

Okay so ive gotten a lot of different answers (posted similar question on different forums) At the end of the day ryzen wins in streaming performance while gaming but how long will that last? With the x299 coming out will those chips be more expensive than ryzen or comparable. also will they out perform ryzen or again be compairable

[theminnesotanman]

3 minutes ago, Droidbot said:

x99 is dead, go for ryzen

 

1700 if you are overclocking is better 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($316.88 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X62 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($158.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: ASRock X370 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($198.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($138.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($179.00 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($117.45 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card  ($684.79 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: NZXT S340 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.49 @ SuperBiiz) 
Monitor: Acer GN246HL 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($182.99 @ B&H) 
Monitor: Acer GN246HL 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($182.99 @ B&H) 
Total: $2340.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-04 02:15 EDT-0400

 

Go big or go home

 

Changed RAM to 100% speed Trident-Z, which runs at full 3200Mhz on Ryzen - your old LPX kit would run at 2933

Changed to a better mobo

Changed to a better GPU (remove if you want)

3 questions. 1 why the acer monitors over asus? also wouldnt a 750w be a little better for extra headroom? finally why is the 1700 better than the 1700x?

[RadiatingLight]

2 minutes ago, theminnesotanman said:

3 questions. 1 why the acer monitors over asus? also wouldnt a 750w be a little better for extra headroom? finally why is the 1700 better than the 1700x?

1700 is not better, but you can get virtually the same performance for $80 less.

by virtually the same performance, i mean within a few tens of megahertz when overclocked at worst.

[theminnesotanman]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

1700 is not better, but you can get virtually the same performance for $80 less.

by virtually the same performance, i mean within a few tens of megahertz when overclocked at worst.

okay. in your opinion would a 1080ti be better over a 1080 (considering im only doign 1080p) im very tempted to do the build that @Droidbot posted but just switching out the gpu for a 1080 and the psu out for a 750w

[Droidbot]

Just now, theminnesotanman said:

2 questions. 1 why the acer monitors over asus? also wouldnt a 750w be a little better for extra headroom?

cheaper, not much difference. shaves off $30+ per monitor, so why the fuck not?

and:

and under Prime95 the CPU only consumes around 236W @ 4Ghz, so work that out.. not even 500W used. 

 

 

[theminnesotanman]

1 minute ago, Droidbot said:

cheaper, not much difference. shaves off $30+ per monitor, so why the fuck not?

and:

and under Prime95 the CPU only consumes around 236W @ 4Ghz, so work that out.. not even 500W used. 

 

 

fair on the monitors. For now the questions till remains 1080ti vs 1080?

[DrMikeNZ]

5 minutes ago, theminnesotanman said:

Okay so ive gotten a lot of different answers (posted similar question on different forums) At the end of the day ryzen wins in streaming performance while gaming but how long will that last? With the x299 coming out will those chips be more expensive than ryzen or comparable. also will they out perform ryzen or again be compairable

The current Intel HEDT platform is more expensive than Ryzen, but does generally perform better. No solid information on the X299 pricing or performance yet.

If you are not in a rush and don't care about price, wait for X299, otherwise go for the R7 1700.

 

3 minutes ago, theminnesotanman said:

3 questions. 1 why the acer monitors over asus? also wouldnt a 750w be a little better for extra headroom? finally why is the 1700 better than the 1700x?

The 1700 is the same chip as the 1700X, is cheaper and comes with a cooler. It is much better value, and easy to overclock to 1700X/1800X performance.

[theminnesotanman]

2 minutes ago, DrMikeNZ said:

The current Intel HEDT platform is more expensive than Ryzen, but does generally perform better. No solid information on the X299 pricing or performance yet.

If you are not in a rush and don't care about price, wait for X299, otherwise go for the R7 1700.

 

The 1700 is the same chip as the 1700X, is cheaper and comes with a cooler. It is much better value, and easy to overclock to 1700X/1800X performance.

i wouldnt say im in a rush but i would like to start as soon as possible. Its not like essential that i get it now but id like to start sooner rather than later you know?

[Droidbot]

6 minutes ago, DrMikeNZ said:

The current Intel HEDT platform is more expensive than Ryzen, but does generally perform better.

1700 can be overclocked to 3.8/3.9/4Ghz

 

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[theminnesotanman]

1 minute ago, Droidbot said:

1700 can be overclocked to 3.8/3.9/4Ghz

 

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okay so def going for the 1700. Now again 1080ti or the 1080 for gaming and streaming with a 2 monitor setup?

[DrMikeNZ]

Just now, Droidbot said:

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1700 can be overclocked to 3.8/3.9/4Ghz

 

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Cinebench works well on Ryzen, but not much else. I run my R7 1700 @ 3.8GHz (1660 cinebench), and it's been pretty lackluster and unimpressive for my workload, with performance on par with my old 3930K. Hopefully AMD will improve this with their next processors (I can hope can't I?). Until then, Intel can keep taking my money.

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[theminnesotanman]

1 minute ago, DrMikeNZ said:

Cinebench works well on Ryzen, but not much else. I run my R7 1700 @ 3.8GHz (1660 cinebench), and it's been pretty lackluster and unimpressive for my workload, with performance on par with my old 3930K. Hopefully AMD will improve this with their next processors (I can hope can't I?). Until then, Intel can keep taking my money.

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what is your workload if i may ask?

[Droidbot]

1 minute ago, DrMikeNZ said:

Cinebench works well on Ryzen, but not much else. I run my R7 1700 @ 3.8GHz (1660 cinebench), and it's been pretty lackluster and unimpressive for my workload, with performance on par with my old 3930K. Hopefully AMD will improve this with their next processors (I can hope can't I?). Until then, Intel can keep taking my money.

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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu,4951-9.html

 

pulls ahead in most other benches, what you talkin about

[DrMikeNZ]

Just now, theminnesotanman said:

what is your workload if i may ask?

Mostly x265 encoding (hobby), mathematics (hobby), and scientific computation (work). Pretty much everything that no one cares about.

This in no way is representative of gaming/streaming workload.

 

1 minute ago, Droidbot said:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu,4951-9.html

 

pulls ahead in most other benches, what you talkin about

I will send my Ryzen system those benchmark results in the hope that it will motivate it to perform better.

[Droidbot]

Just now, DrMikeNZ said:

I will send my Ryzen system those benchmark results in the hope that it will motivate it to perform better.

just grab the cooler off

grab the CPU

scream 'WORK HARDER, YOU MOTHERFUCKER'

and put it back in with fresh paste

[DrMikeNZ]

Just now, Droidbot said:

just grab the cooler off

grab the CPU

scream 'WORK HARDER, YOU MOTHERFUCKER'

and put it back in with fresh paste

I swore a few times at it, but it hasn't improved. It is only 45°C under full load @3.8GHz 1.3V, thermal paste isn't that cheap so I don't really want to waste it.

I am going to just have to use the Ryzen system for gaming to make better use of it.

[done12many2]

5 hours ago, Droidbot said:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu,4951-9.html

 

pulls ahead in most other benches, what you talkin about

 

Um, the 6900k beat the Ryzen in most of those benches from the link you provided.    Why do they always do stuff like disabling Turbo and shit in these comparison reviews?

 

With ambient cooling, 6900k at max overclock will easily pull away from a Ryzen chip at its max overclock in terms of performance.