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[DrMacintosh]

4 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

my iphone 5 became much slower, stopped connecting to wifi and the power button stopped working after i update

Unfortunately I know better than that. If those thing happened then there is a greater problem. I had an iPad 2 that has iOS 9 on it and I think it can get to iOS 10. It has no issues other than being old.

 

sounds more like you dropped it that it updated.

[Curufinwe_wins]

1 hour ago, DrMacintosh said:

Unfortunately I know better than that. If those thing happened then there is a greater problem. I had an iPad 2 that has iOS 9 on it and I think it can get to iOS 10. It has no issues other than being old.

 

sounds more like you dropped it that it updated.

I know with my anectodal evidence of one, that the literally tens of thousands of people with issues that have come up with literally every single new release of iOS that comes out on old hardware are clearly made up.

 

Also apps don't just stop working on Android because you either can't update the device or you did update the device. Both of which I've PERSONALLY had happen with iOS devices. 

(Although admittedly, it has been getting "better" recently)

2 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said:

It's the same with Android, only the period is shorter.

 

My 2013 Moto X is still on Lollipop and there's no official support for anything after that. Yet the iPhone 5c got iOS 10 last year.

Except that literally doesn't matter... I have a Nook Tablet running Android 4.2 and all the apps still work perfectly, and even without any updates, the device runs just as it did when I got it.

 

2 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

I don't see it as being forced obsolescence. My 5s runs iOS 10 just fine, and if I didn't want to install iOS 10, then I could simply choose not to install it. 

Except when apps no longer are allowed to work because you aren't on iOS 10...

 

 

 

 

NOTE:

I mean look. Ideally we'd get both timely updates, and updates that didn't fuck things up. But realistically we don't. Personally I'd rather have no updates and still have everything work, and update myself if I really feel daring than deal with forced stuff. Which is why I run enterprise versions of Windows 10, not home ones... 

 

Literally it is the exact same argument as Windows 7 vs 10. 

[DrMacintosh]

10 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

 

 

Also apps don't just stop working on Android because you either can't update the device or you did update the device. Both of which I've

 

Except when apps no longer are allowed to work because you aren't on iOS 10...

 

 

Apps dont just stop working on iOS either. There has been ample warning about 32Bit applications no longer being supported. If you cannot update an application it is up to the server host of said application to keep it running. Not Apple. 

 

Most applications do not require the latest OS to run you know......

 

Look, I see what you are trying to do but you clearly don't understand how versions and software updates are handled on iOS. 

 

If the app stops working that is on the developer, not Apple. Period. 

[79wjd]

14 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Except when apps no longer are allowed to work because you aren't on iOS 10...

 

 

 

 

NOTE:

I mean look. Ideally we'd get both timely updates, and updates that didn't fuck things up. But realistically we don't. Personally I'd rather have no updates and still have everything work, and update myself if I really feel daring than deal with forced stuff. Which is why I run enterprise versions of Windows 10, not home ones... 

 

Literally it is the exact same argument as Windows 7 vs 10. 

FWIW I don't see any issue with a company trying to force developers to focus support on a OS, rather than a five year old platform. And I also wouldn't call that forced obsolescence, but rather just obsolescence. At some point old hardware should no longer be supported. I just think the <2~ year window that most Android devices gets is far too short. 

 

Regardless, did Apple change their policy to block the update/creation of apps that supports <iOS 10 versions? AFAIK, anything that was out will still work -- it's just a question of whether or not third party developers will continue to support their apps on old platforms. 

[Curufinwe_wins]

3 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Apps dont just stop working on iOS either. There has been ample warning about 32Bit applications no longer being supported. If you cannot update an application it is up to the server host of said application to keep it running. Not Apple. 

 

Most applications do not require the latest OS to run you know......

 

Look, I see what you are trying to do but you clearly don't understand how versions and software updates are handled on iOS. 

 

If the app stops working that is on the developer, not Apple. Period. 

llol.

 

See red box. You can't honestly pretend this doesn't happen... It even happens with FIRST party applications...

[DrMacintosh]

Whatever you tried to post did not go through. 

[Curufinwe_wins]

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

FWIW I don't see any issue with a company trying to force developers to focus support on a OS, rather than a five year old platform. And I also wouldn't call that forced obsolescence, but rather just obsolescence. At some point old hardware should no longer be supported. I just think the <2~ year window that most Android devices gets is far too short. 

 

Regardless, did Apple change their policy to block the update/creation of apps that supports <iOS 10 versions? AFAIK, anything that was out will still work -- it's just a question of whether or not third party developers will continue to support their apps on old platforms. 

I don't think preventing apps from being opened or working at all just because a new iOS version is out is IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM acceptable personally.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, Curufinwe_wins said:

I don't think preventing apps from being opened or working at all just because a new iOS version is out is IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM acceptable personally.

its a good thing this does not happen......

[Curufinwe_wins]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

Whatever you tried to post did not go through. 

fixed

[79wjd]

Just now, Curufinwe_wins said:

I don't think preventing apps from being opened or working at all just because a new iOS version is out is IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM acceptable personally.

The older version would continue to work, but I wouldn't expect for the UWP version of Steam to run on Winsows 95.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, Curufinwe_wins said:

fixed

So you are saying that Apple only developed for its latest OS? Wow! What a shocker!

[Curufinwe_wins]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

Good thing this does not happen......

If you did already have the app... this is what happens... Or are we going to keep denying it?

[Curufinwe_wins]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

The older version would continue to work, but I wouldn't expect for the UWP version of Steam to run on Winsows 95.

Nope see above.

[Mira Yurizaki]

1 minute ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

I don't think preventing apps from being opened or working at all just because a new iOS version is out is IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM acceptable personally.

There's a difference between updating and working or being opened. Show me an older iOS device with an app that is running a compatible version that refuses the run because it's not running the latest iOS.

[Curufinwe_wins]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

There's a difference between updating and working or being opened. Show me an older iOS device with an app that is running a compatible version that refuses the run because it's not running the latest iOS.

See above... Lol literally showed it already

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, Curufinwe_wins said:

See above... Lol literally showed it already

Other than the Apple Store app.

[79wjd]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Other than the Apple Store app.

Well, that shouldn't happen either. The new version shouldn't work on pre-iOS10, but the old version should remain the most up-to-date version on a pre-iOS 10 device. 

[captain_to_fire]

2 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

I don't see it as being forced obsolescence. My 5s runs iOS 10 just fine, and if I didn't want to install iOS 10, then I could simply choose not to install it. 

That's the new APFS file system doing the magic for you. So basically, the conspiracy of Apple deliberately throttling down performance of its older devices is due to the limitations of the three decades old HFS+. 

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

Well, that shouldn't happen either. 

Why not? Have you seen the distribution of iOS installs? There is no reason to make anything compatible with iOS 9 or less anymore. All the devices that cannot run iOS 10 are obsolete. We are talking about devices that are 5-6+ years old here.  

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, hey_yo_ said:

That's the new APFS file system doing the magic for you. So basically, the conspiracy of Apple deliberately throttling down performance of its older devices is due to the limitations of the three decades old HFS+. 

Also the limitations of the SOC and RAM. Which is why newer old devices don't struggle much anymore. They can take more of a beating. 

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Why not? Have you seen the distribution of iOS installs? There is no reason to make anything compatible with iOS 9 or less anymore. All the devices that cannot run iOS 10 are obsolete. We are talking about devices that are 5-6+ years old here.  

I agree that you don't need to support iOS 9 or earlier, but if I have an iPhone running iOS 9 and I "update all" apps, it shouldn't update the Apple Store app to one that isn't compatible with iOS 9 -- it should remain on the last version that was compatible with iOS 9. If someone wants to sit on iOS 9, then that should be there choice. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

I agree that you don't need to support iOS 9 or earlier, but if I have an iPhone running iOS 9 and I "update all" apps, it shouldn't update the Apple Store app to one that isn't compatible with iOS 9 -- it should remain on the last version that was compatible with iOS 9. 

And even then, if you can't update all your apps but they still work more or less, the device still isn't obsolete.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

I agree that you don't need to support iOS 9 or earlier, but if I have an iPhone running iOS 9 and I "update all" apps, it shouldn't update the Apple Store app to one that isn't compatible with iOS 9 -- it should remain on the last version that was compatible with iOS 9. 

And it will. The app will not update to a version that your device cannot update to. 

 

The guy is deliberately making Apple seem bad for making an app run on their latest version only when his device is capable of running iOS 10.3.1

[Curufinwe_wins]

4 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Other than the Apple Store app.

 

 

Note though, in most cases now Apple has implemented a "install most recent compatible version of the application", which didn't used to exist at all. BUT if you uninstall an app (like youtube) and you want it back, well you are fucked because it doesn't allow such things.

 

EX: This is what should happen...

 

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Apple has implemented

Apple hasn't implemented anything other than that idea. Its up to developers to support it!