Need help finding the Right Drivers

[Denis_Twin]

Hi, so I have reinstalled windows clean on my PC and I wanted to ensure that I have all the correct drivers. In the Manufacturer's website I downloaded their drivers and I had an issue in games mostly when I used driver booster it seemed like the drivers were helping the stuttering effect that was happening when loading fx+units (eg. starcraft2, heroes of the storm), I wont open a new thread about this subject since another one already exists so,

The main focus of this thread will be to ensure that I have the correct, compatible and most stable drivers to eliminate the posibility of drivers being an issue on my computer. The main thing is, drivers seemed to fix the issue by a % but of course didnt cure it. I am just curious and want to optimize my PC's performance as best as I can.

So then, I wanted to ask you how to find the proper drivers for installation without the manufacturer's website since they seem to be interfering and causing issues.

I used driver booster so far just to get all the latest drivers on the devices of my system. I would assume windows have downloaded most of the drivers as microsoft versions, especially USB, keyboard, mouse etc.

Right now no device is unrecognized on the device manager.

I am not familiar with installing them manually as well and since I cannot find which ones are stable or not (they are also so many of them its hard to test out). Is there any software that can detect unstable ones? or probably some kind of tool?

Could you guide me through the process?

also here is a latencymon scan: https://postimg.org/image/sni4862on/

 

Thanks

[Electronics Wizardy]

for windows 10 drivers

- install the os

- let it connect to the net(install net drivers if it doesn't, but it should)

- wait a hour

- install all drivers that are missing in device manager.

 

Don't install stuff manually. It won't update automatically, and there is no reason to.

 

Never use a driver booster or third party driver updater or installer program. There almost all scams.

 

For most pcs, you don't have to install any drivers manually.

[Denis_Twin]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

for windows 10 drivers

- install the os

- let it connect to the net(install net drivers if it doesn't, but it should)

- wait a hour

- install all drivers that are missing in device manager.

 

Don't install stuff manually. It won't update automatically, and there is no reason to.

 

Never use a driver booster or third party driver updater or installer program. There almost all scams.

 

For most pcs, you don't have to install any drivers manually.

Now that I installed them with driver booster what should I do?

Also the automatic installation drivers dont work properly for me since I encounter issues.

Is there any official driver checker/installer/detector that I could use?

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, TwinDenis said:

since I encounter issues.

what issues?

Just now, TwinDenis said:

Is there any official driver checker/installer/detector that I could use?

yep, and its already built into the os and running automatically.

[Denis_Twin]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

what issues?

yep, and its already built into the os and running automatically.

well, dell support told me they wouldnt install all drivers from windows.

 

Is there a way to "repair" my PC from having the drivers downloaded by driver booster since as you said is a scam?

[Electronics Wizardy]

2 minutes ago, TwinDenis said:

well, dell support told me they wouldnt install all drivers from windows.

 

Is there a way to "repair" my PC from having the drivers downloaded by driver booster since as you said is a scam?

what system? what os?

 

for dell stuff, you normally don't need it(i have a dell laptop, very few dell drivers), but they have there own installer and updater, use that. 

 

You don't really have to uninstall it, id just not install it again next time. 

 

[Denis_Twin]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

what system? what os?

 

for dell stuff, you normally don't need it(i have a dell laptop, very few dell drivers), but they have there own installer and updater, use that. 

 

You don't really have to uninstall it, id just not install it again next time. 

 

First off, my info is on my profile.

Well I am not sure what you mean by "you dont really have to uninstall it" I mean if it is a scam and destroys my system from within.... what should I do? Reinstall Windows again?

Dell support themselves told me that windows wont always install all of my system's drivers and that I have to find them myself. They have some on their website but again, the issue still remains.

I know there are official driver installers such as intel update utility (which doesnt work...ever) and dell's update utility (doesnt work either).

Microsoft Support suggested me to get driver identifier but my antimalware recognizes it as a threat.

It is obvious that most of these software are simply for advertising and such, my point is if they are scam in a harmful way. Since I already used the driver booster 4.3 I hope nothing bad happened.

[Electronics Wizardy]

4 minutes ago, TwinDenis said:

First off, my info is on my profile.

Well I am not sure what you mean by "you dont really have to uninstall it" I mean if it is a scam and destroys my system from within.... what should I do? Reinstall Windows again?

Dell support themselves told me that windows wont always install all of my system's drivers and that I have to find them myself. They have some on their website but again, the issue still remains.

I know there are official driver installers such as intel update utility (which doesnt work...ever) and dell's update utility (doesnt work either).

Microsoft Support suggested me to get driver identifier but my antimalware recognizes it as a threat.

It is obvious that most of these software are simply for advertising and such, my point is if they are scam in a harmful way. Since I already used the driver booster 4.3 I hope nothing bad happened.

so if you have a plain version of windows with updates, what drivers are you missing? since your on a desktop, you don't normally need any dell drivers.

 

5 minutes ago, TwinDenis said:

doesnt work either).

what errors are you getting?

5 minutes ago, TwinDenis said:

my point is if they are scam in a harmful way.

normally not going to hurt your system, but you really don't know what its doing. Id stay away from them.

[Denis_Twin]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

so if you have a plain version of windows with updates, what drivers are you missing? since your on a desktop, you don't normally need any dell drivers.

 

what errors are you getting?

normally not going to hurt your system, but you really don't know what its doing. Id stay away from them.

I am not getting any errors,

Did you check my system?

So it wouldnt hurt my System but there is a chance that it will install something unstable or something?

Is there a way to work around that?

Will windows fix the issue automatically?

I am missing SaS Controller (I do not use raid).

All other drivers are up to date so far.

My DpC however is high, I uploaded the image above.

here is another one: https://postimg.org/image/xattow9k5/

[LogicalDrm]

5 hours ago, TwinDenis said:

Well I am not sure what you mean by "you dont really have to uninstall it" I mean if it is a scam and destroys my system from within.... what should I do? Reinstall Windows again?

@Electronics Wizardy means by "scam" that software doesn't really do anything you should be paying for. I've tested Driver Booster in past and almost broke my Win7 install with it. Problem is that the software finds "old" driver which don't need to be updated. Windows update on Win7 does same thing for my peripheral drivers (which haven't had updated since I've installed them manually). Leaving the drivers there won't do any harm. Except in case that some of them are causing issues you are having. In that case you need to manually uninstall problematic driver and install it again after reboot.

 

As you are using Win10, Windows update is best option to keep drivers up to date. That and Dells own service software. With OEM devices, manufacturers own software are usually best. Though I haven't had much experience working with Win10 in that sense.

[Denis_Twin]

3 hours ago, LoGiCalDrm said:

@Electronics Wizardy means by "scam" that software doesn't really do anything you should be paying for. I've tested Driver Booster in past and almost broke my Win7 install with it. Problem is that the software finds "old" driver which don't need to be updated. Windows update on Win7 does same thing for my peripheral drivers (which haven't had updated since I've installed them manually). Leaving the drivers there won't do any harm. Except in case that some of them are causing issues you are having. In that case you need to manually uninstall problematic driver and install it again after reboot.

 

As you are using Win10, Windows update is best option to keep drivers up to date. That and Dells own service software. With OEM devices, manufacturers own software are usually best. Though I haven't had much experience working with Win10 in that sense.

Yes, apparently windows update and oem device driver update utilities simply do not work, additionally some software such as driver booster or identifier simply compare release dates and not versions making it more difficult to compare, also stability is what I am looking for and not just updating them since this is an OEM system I should be using those but at the same time they are unstable in the first place, I can notice a significant difference in games where my framerate is way lower while after using driver booster the performance increased although didnt get cured but thats for another thread, now we try to eliminate the drivers being the cause and so far I have seen a noticable improvement. Although after my clean install I lost track which drivers improved the performance since all those driver booster programs I used could have caused my computer to not boot in the first place. Anyway I've been through a LOT over the years so I shouldnt post 30 thread pages with my experience, we try to focus on the drivers aspect here (referring to Electronics Wizardly for asking about my issues).

Anyway, I am open to suggestions and opinions but keep in mind all of the above. My guess is that it is related to device communication issues or similar. I do not want to play around my drivers too much I just want to know what to do, after experimenting I got into trouble since as I said, I do not know much about drivers besides the ones installed by windows.

[Mira Yurizaki]

If you have a computer from a system builder like Dell or HP, use their drivers. They usually package a tool to do this automagically as well. If you have a DIY computer, use the drivers from the hardware manufacturer's website, except for video cards (use direct from NVIDIA, AMD, or Intel). Do not use any other software that manages your drivers.

 

Also as a side note, unless there's a compelling reason to, like a security issue that should be fixed or you have software issues that you know a driver update could solve, don't update drivers. These are system programs that build the foundation of your software configuration. If nothing appears broken, then don't fix it.

[Denis_Twin]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

If you have a computer from a system builder like Dell or HP, use their drivers. They usually package a tool to do this automagically as well. If you have a DIY computer, use the drivers from the hardware manufacturer's website, except for video cards (use direct from NVIDIA, AMD, or Intel). Do not use any other software that manages your drivers.

 

Also as a side note, unless there's a compelling reason to, like a security issue that should be fixed or you have software issues that you know a driver update could solve, don't update drivers. These are system programs that build the foundation of your software configuration. If nothing appears broken, then don't fix it.

there is obviously something that needs fixing on my computer as said above and changing drivers with a third party seemed to have improved it. The software package doesnt work, it doesnt recognize my system as of late installments, same applies to their website's drivers that correspond with my customer ID. 

Also using their drivers caused weird audio glitches and strange freezes of video. Also some of their drivers are not compatible strangely enough (such as storage controller or chipset).

[LogicalDrm]

11 minutes ago, TwinDenis said:

Yes, apparently windows update and oem device driver update utilities simply do not work, additionally some software such as driver booster or identifier simply compare release dates and not versions making it more difficult to compare, also stability is what I am looking for and not just updating them since this is an OEM system I should be using those but at the same time they are unstable in the first place, I can notice a significant difference in games where my framerate is way lower while after using driver booster the performance increased although didnt get cured but thats for another thread, now we try to eliminate the drivers being the cause and so far I have seen a noticable improvement. Although after my clean install I lost track which drivers improved the performance since all those driver booster programs I used could have caused my computer to not boot in the first place. Anyway I've been through a LOT over the years so I shouldnt post 30 thread pages with my experience, we try to focus on the drivers aspect here (referring to Electronics Wizardly for asking about my issues).

Anyway, I am open to suggestions and opinions but keep in mind all of the above. My guess is that it is related to device communication issues or similar. I do not want to play around my drivers too much I just want to know what to do, after experimenting I got into trouble since as I said, I do not know much about drivers besides the ones installed by windows.

Could you make clear what kind of issues you are having in games. I read something about stutter which would indicate chipset driver or pagefile/drive issue. But is that just it? Or are you having fps drops too? How are CPU and GPU usage + temps during those? Drivers, in the end, have little effect on performance. Chipset and GPU drivers do most, rest is just making thing compatible.

[Mira Yurizaki]

2 minutes ago, TwinDenis said:

there is obviously something that needs fixing on my computer as said above and changing drivers with a third party seemed to have improved it. The software package doesnt work, it doesnt recognize my system as of late installments, same applies to their website's drivers that correspond with my customer ID. 

Also using their drivers caused weird audio glitches and strange freezes of video. Also some of their drivers are not compatible strangely enough (such as storage controller or chipset).

Did you try every version they had, or only one version?

[Denis_Twin]

Just now, LoGiCalDrm said:

Could you make clear what kind of issues you are having in games. I read something about stutter which would indicate chipset driver or pagefile/drive issue. But is that just it? Or are you having fps drops too? How are CPU and GPU usage + temps during those? Drivers, in the end, have little effect on performance. Chipset and GPU drivers do most, rest is just making thing compatible.

I did not mention my issues here but you can read more about it in the older thread, I get split opinions. There you go in case you are curious: 

 

 

Basically when I installed drivers from third party software at some point I noticed improvement in the... lets say smoothness of the fps, thing is the fps itself drops in some occasions but while I stare at a 60 fps screen the experience looks like half of that, it looks like constant tiny snapping between each frame which makes it look like 30 fps or less, this gets amplified depending on where I look but again, graphically even at 200% render the quality is still the same, technically I dont lose frames except in some occasions but at the same time I am experiencing this. I made posts in the games' websites such as:

https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17615332614#post-5

 

Note. I cant go through what I did again since I already did but all I can say is that as some point, it got better oddly enough but then I got a boot problem and had to reinstall windows once again. (I could not restore due to corrupted window-app folder because of my antivirus so I had to install windows from scratch). 

[Denis_Twin]

12 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Did you try every version they had, or only one version?

They only provide one and only the very very basic ones which again, are not compatible. I am using my system's tag to enter the directory as well which means they should work, I do not have guarantee anymore although technicians checked on the system and claim it is fine (mechanically).

[Mira Yurizaki]

5 minutes ago, TwinDenis said:

They only provide one and only the very very basic ones which again, are not compatible. I am using my system's tag to enter the directory as well which means they should work, I do not have guarantee anymore although technicians checked on the system and claim it is fine (mechanically).

Then time to move away from the system builder and go find who made the part in question and try their drivers. Or in some cases, figure out if you really need them (like you don't need Intel's IME or RST)

[Denis_Twin]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

Then time to move away from the system builder and go find who made the part in question and try their drivers.

I am not able to pinpoint that and if I mess up with these things I might cause more trouble than resolving the issue, already tried installing windows dozens of times.

[Mira Yurizaki]

1 minute ago, TwinDenis said:

I am not able to pinpoint that and if I mess up with these things I might cause more trouble than resolving the issue, already tried installing windows dozens of times.

http://i.dell.com/sites/doccontent/shared-content/data-sheets/en/Documents/Dell-Precision-T3600-Spec-Sheet.pdf

 

I forgot the other path, if the driver package unzips the files somewhere (which I believe Dell's normally does), then do a manual install from Device Manager.

[Denis_Twin]

5 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

http://i.dell.com/sites/doccontent/shared-content/data-sheets/en/Documents/Dell-Precision-T3600-Spec-Sheet.pdf

 

I forgot the other path, if the driver package unzips the files somewhere (which I believe Dell's normally does), then do a manual install from Device Manager.

Yes but windows claims the files are incompatible either way.

Unless I do not know exactly which drivers are the correct ones and where they should be installed or what they are, which is the case.

 

ps: the chipset driver says I have a driver version newer to the one that I am about to install on my system and asks me if I still want to install.

I dont want to break anything or make it overlap drivers and such. (Intel Management Engine Interface + Intel Active management Technology - SOL)

[Mira Yurizaki]

3 minutes ago, TwinDenis said:

Yes but windows claims the files are incompatible either way.

Unless I do not know exactly which drivers are the correct ones and where they should be installed or what they are, which is the case.

Are you sure it's Windows claiming that and not the driver installer? Because in my naive years I've botched up driver installs for drivers that shouldn't even work with said hardware through Device Manager (but maybe Microsoft improved this)

 

I need a screenshot of this.

[Denis_Twin]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Are you sure it's Windows claiming that and not the driver installer? Because in my naive years I've botched up driver installs for drivers that shouldn't even work with said hardware through Device Manager (but maybe Microsoft improved this)

 

I need a screenshot of this.

In which order should I install the drivers or it doesnt matter? also the chipset driver says I have a driver version newer to the one that I am about to install on my system and asks me if I still want to install.

I dont want to break anything or make it overlap drivers and such. (Intel Management Engine Interface + Intel Active management Technology - SOL).

 

How should I proceed ?

All I see is: 

Quote

 

 BIOS (1 file)

 

Support the system that controls your keyboard, monitor, disk drives and other devices (also Basic Input/Output System).

 Chipset (2 files)

 

Download utilities and drivers to help control your system board components and controllers.

 Network (2 files)

 SAS RAID (1 file)

 Systems Management (1 file)

 

[Mira Yurizaki]

1 minute ago, TwinDenis said:

In which order should I install the drivers or it doesnt matter? also the chipset driver says I have a driver version newer to the one that I am about to install on my system and asks me if I still want to install.

The chipset should go first. After that, it doesn't matter. Also the warning is saying you're installing an older version. If an older version gets your system up and running, then so be it.

1 minute ago, TwinDenis said:

I dont want to break anything or make it overlap drivers and such. (Intel Management Engine Interface + Intel Active management Technology - SOL).

Drivers don't overlap. If they did, they'd have problems.

1 minute ago, TwinDenis said:

How should I proceed ?

All I see is: 

I usually don't see a need for BIOS updates unless it's really necessary. However, as long as the chipset goes before anything else, you should be fine.

[Denis_Twin]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

The chipset should go first. After that, it doesn't matter. Also the warning is saying you're installing an older version. If an older version gets your system up and running, then so be it.

Drivers don't overlap. If they did, they'd have problems.

I usually don't see a need for BIOS updates unless it's really necessary. However, as long as the chipset goes before anything else, you should be fine.

They have an odd way of categorizing their drivers to be honest, hard to figure out which ones I need besides the chipset.

So in regards with my issue which drivers are most likely the cause of it if they would affect it?

It sure is not the GPU drivers since with 200% render in wow There is no difference between 200% and 50% render scale in framerates at least.

 

Also its hard to see the chipset being before anything else since I already got drivers on my system.