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[Noah Vega]

so if the 1700x 1700 1800x is overclocked to the max what's the deferens between them?   

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Noah Vega said:

so if the 1700x 1700 1800x is overclocked to the max what's the deferens between them?   

The difference will be clock speed. 

[Noah Vega]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

The difference will be clock speed. 

ik that but I keep hearing clock speeds are basically the same.

[Guest]

Just now, Noah Vega said:

ik that but I keep hearing clock speeds are basically the same.

that's not the point of overclock

[Noah Vega]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

that's not the point of overclock

well that's what I keep hearing. . . .

[dizmo]

From what I've seen they're all about the same. So I'd just pick the cheapest one if you're going to overclock.

4 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

that's not the point of overclock

He means they overclock to the same value, ie 4ghz.

[MeDownYou]

 

@Noah Vega @dizmo

Actually the difference between chips is binning. Right now they overclock within 200mhz of each other, however the 1800x might be binned better in the future (specifically as the process matures). Right now the 1700 is the best chip for the money if you are going to overclock it as these chips are Voltage Bound.

[dizmo]

2 minutes ago, MeDownYou said:

 

@Noah Vega @dizmo

Actually the difference between chips is binning. Right now they overclock within 200mhz of each other, however the 1800x might be binned better in the future (specifically as the process matures). Right now the 1700 is the best chip for the money if you are going to overclock it as these chips are Voltage Bound.

"difference". Same thing they always said about the GPUs as well, yet it didn't change throughout the production cycle.

It likely won't change. The main difference is XFR, which IIRC turns off when you manually OC anyway.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

16 minutes ago, Noah Vega said:

so if the 1700x 1700 1800x is overclocked to the max what's the deferens between them?   

The difference is stock performance. If you overclock, it's up to the silicon lottery regardless of which one you bought.

[MeDownYou]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

"difference". Same thing they always said about the GPUs as well, yet it didn't change throughout the production cycle.

It likely won't change. The main difference is XFR, which IIRC turns off when you manually OC anyway.

...Actually We've seen HUGE refinements especially in GPU's amounting from core clock jumps of 800mhz to 1300 for essentially the same cores. We can see this with the 7970 for example.

 

And with the changes in chips from the 8350 to the 8320/8370 ect. Guess this is a more extreme example since they did technically change them a bit if i'm not mistaken?

[dizmo]

2 minutes ago, MeDownYou said:

...Actually We've seen HUGE refinements especially in GPU's amounting from core clock jumps of 800mhz to 1300 for essentially the same cores. We can see this with the 7970 for example.

 

And with the changes in chips from the 8350 to the 8320/8370 ect. Guess this is a more extreme example since they did technically change them a bit if i'm not mistaken?

Yes but that's old vs new. They'd have the same line refreshed at the same time most likely.

I meant more 290x vs 290, 390x vs 390, etc. When OC'd they were basically the same.

[Noah Vega]

so basically I can buy the 1700, over clock it and it will be the same as the 1800x.

[MeDownYou]

Just now, dizmo said:

Yes but that's old vs new. They'd have the same line refreshed at the same time most likely.

I meant more 290x vs 290, 390x vs 390, etc. When OC'd they were basically the same.

eh, the 7970 is a good example like I say because clocks increased from product launch to refresh time as they had chips that were able to clocker higher due to figuring out better optimizations. They refreshed with the optimizations as a rated spec in the 200 series rather than an "overclocked" spec because they could then reliably get those results from all chips.

[MeDownYou]

Just now, Noah Vega said:

so basically I can buy the 1700, over clock it and it will be the same as the 1800x.

Within 200mhz yes.

[Noah Vega]

Just now, MeDownYou said:

Within 200mhz yes.

and that will effect the performance by how much?

[Noah Vega]

8 minutes ago, Noah Vega said:

and that will effect the performance by how much?

so I should get the 1700x?

[MeDownYou]

13 minutes ago, Noah Vega said:

and that will effect the performance by how much?

 

4 minutes ago, Noah Vega said:

so I should get the 1700x?

I would go with the 1700, actually That's what I am planning on buying myself...sooo

[DrMikeNZ]

2 hours ago, Noah Vega said:

so if the 1700x 1700 1800x is overclocked to the max what's the deferens between them?   

There is a bit of silicon lottery in it, the 1700X and 1800X are better binned than the 1700.

At stock settings, my 1700 only boosts to 3.2 GHz on all cores (3.75 single core). I haven't been able to get a stable overclock (yet).

The 1800X baseclock is quite a bit higher. Overclocks are not guaranteed.