3D graphics build

[JFunk]

Hello there! 

I'm new here and, in general, i'm new to computer building. I follow with much pleasure LTT on youtube and i'm somehow learning a lot of stuff. I am an architecture student and i love 3d modeling and rendering. I wanted to ask you guys a little help to figure out how to set up a PC good enough to satisfy my modeling and rendering needs. I often work with scenes with a very high number of polygons and many times i run multiple softwares at once. 

I would like to use the ryzen 7 1700 (i care about cores, not much clock speed) and the gtx 1080. May i ask you to help me choose the right motherboard, ram, power supply and everything else i should get? (I already have an ssd. A samsung 850 evo 256 Gb).

Last but not least, i would like to spend not more than 1500€. (I'm italian and sometimes it's tough to find similar prices to the US ones, but don't worry, i'll try to figure something out, so consider the currency in $).

I hope this will not be a old and already solved thread.

Thank you! 

[grimreeper132]

do you need an OS? also do you need peripherals? if yes what peripherals, monitor, keyboard, Mouse???

[JFunk]

5 minutes ago, grimreeper132 said:

do you need an OS?

Hello there! 

I have an OS! 

And i might gather some peripherals around, even the monitor!

 

 

[EYT]

start off easy

MOBO

there is not much to take on that 

every motherboard will do the job as long as its on the same socket and has a PCIe x16 for the 1080 you want 

but every motherboard has their own features which are for you to choose (ex. 7.1 sound / gigabit lan protector etc.)

i dont know much of the MOBO's for ryzen so cant recommend 

 

moving to RAM

i advise to get at least 16GB ram if not 32 if you are going to do some heavy works and multiple programs at once 

should go for 8x2 8x4 or 16x2 since its better to divide it for slots

just need to check for compatability with the MOBO that it has enough slots and can get to the clock speeds of the sticks

the speed usually doesnt matter much unless you need the ram to signal faster

DDR4 at 2300mhz should be enough 

try to find a low CL value (ddr4 usually comes at CL15-16 so if you find lower its good)

 

PSU

any PSU from a known company with a 80+ bronze or higher should be enough

just make sure that it fits in the case + delivers enough power for a 1080 and the other hardware you will have

can do it here:
http://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

use the site

 

HDD / SSD

256GB can be enough for OS and some programs but it will run out pretty fast with more works and more apps 

get another 1TB hdd or a big ssd and store the OS on the current SSD you got and everything else on this one

W.D. blue/black caviar or the new corsair series of m.2 ssd if the mobo you found has a slot 

 

CASE

just a something you like the design 

make sure its big enough for the 1080 and for the psu and mobo 

getting a full tower means you will take more space but will fit probably everything

 

FANS

only for the CPU unless you care about good airflow

in this case i will say go for corsair's fans as they are pretty good 

make sure what connection you got on the case if its 120mm or 140mm and buy the same 

also the size from 1 side to the other

 

any other stuff are an addon

 

[grimreeper132]

Just now, JFunk said:

Hello there! 

I have an OS! 

 

here you go https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/GyWLYr, there is probably other cheaper and better motherboards in italy but that's the only choices thereon parts list. you can change the SSD on there for more RAM or for another motherboard (so overclocking is possible) or an upgrade like that 

[grimreeper132]

Just now, EYT | Ps Design said:

start off easy

MOBO

there is not much to take on that 

every motherboard will do the job as long as its on the same socket and has a PCIe x16 for the 1080 you want 

but every motherboard has their own features which are for you to choose (ex. 7.1 sound / gigabit lan protector etc.)

i dont know much of the MOBO's for ryzen so cant recommend 

 

moving to RAM

i advise to get at least 16GB ram if not 32 if you are going to do some heavy works and multiple programs at once 

should go for 8x2 8x4 or 16x2 since its better to divide it for slots

just need to check for compatability with the MOBO that it has enough slots and can get to the clock speeds of the sticks

the speed usually doesnt matter much unless you need the ram to signal faster

DDR4 at 2300mhz should be enough 

try to find a low CL value (ddr4 usually comes at CL15-16 so if you find lower its good)

 

PSU

any PSU from a known company with a 80+ bronze or higher should be enough

just make sure that it fits in the case + delivers enough power for a 1080 and the other hardware you will have

can do it here:
http://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

use the site

 

HDD / SSD

256GB can be enough for OS and some programs but it will run out pretty fast with more works and more apps 

get another 1TB hdd or a big ssd and store the OS on the current SSD you got and everything else on this one

W.D. blue/black caviar or the new corsair series of m.2 ssd if the mobo you found has a slot 

 

CASE

just a something you like the design 

make sure its big enough for the 1080 and for the psu and mobo 

getting a full tower means you will take more space but will fit probably everything

 

FANS

only for the CPU unless you care about good airflow

in this case i will say go for corsair's fans as they are pretty good 

make sure what connection you got on the case if its 120mm or 140mm and buy the same 

also the size from 1 side to the other

 

any other stuff are an addon

 

use parts picker please, easier to read and see, thanks

[EYT]

Just now, grimreeper132 said:

use parts picker please, easier to read and see, thanks

what?
he didnt ask for specific parts

19 minutes ago, JFunk said:

May i ask you to help me choose the right motherboard, ram, power supply and everything else i should get?

i gave him the stuff he needs to look on for his own needs because everyone's different

if he wants specific parts i will list it for them

[Fake Dragonite]

I haven't looked much into AM4 mobo offerings, but I can try, and I can definitely help with everything else.

 

It seems that most AM4 motherboards are out of stock at the moment (and probably will be until the end of the month), however, just about anything from MSI, Asus, or EVGA will do you fine. Overclocking won't be too much of an issue, especially if number of cores is your biggest concern, but X370 boards will still be something to look at, since they normally have more features such as onboard wifi that more budget oriented boards won't have.

 

RAM is RAM is RAM at this point. However DDR4 prices have been on a pretty consistent climb in the past year, so just go with a 2x8gb kit of Kingston ValueRAM (if you don't care about aesthetics green pcb and whatnot), or hyperx fury (gaming oriented, but overall, very reliable) DDR4 RAM.

 

For a PSU, I'd definitely recommend anything from Antec, EVGA, or Corsair, although at this point I'm partial to EVGA's Supernova series of power supplies. Somewhere in the 600-800W range will do you nicely.

 

And I'd definitely recommend some magnetic storage as well. For work that you are doing in school, especially if you want to build a portfolio, the more reliable the better. I'd personally recommend a 2tb Western Digital Caviar Black drive to start off with, and as you get more familiar and comfortable tinkering with your machine, you can go from there.

 

Links:
Motherboard suggestion (not x370 but seems like a good option regardless): https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Prime-B350-Plus-Ryzen-Motherboard/dp/B06X416NJ1/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1488810180&sr=1-3&keywords=am4

 

RAM: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TY6A1LY/ref=dp_cerb_1

 

PSU: https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Supernova-210-GQ-0650-V1-Modular-Supply/dp/B017HA3SQ8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1488810281&sr=8-3&keywords=evga+supernova+650

 

HDD: https://www.amazon.com/Black-Performance-Desktop-Hard-Drive/dp/B00FJRS628/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1488810309&sr=8-3&keywords=western+digital+caviar+black

 

Good Luck

[grimreeper132]

2 minutes ago, EYT | Ps Design said:

what?
he didnt ask for specific parts

i gave him the stuff he needs to look on for his own needs because everyone's different

if he wants specific parts i will list it for them

ah right, whoops sorry I just assumed it was a massive list sorry, yea, my mistake

[JFunk]

1 minute ago, EYT | Ps Design said:

what?
he didnt ask for specific parts

i gave him the stuff he needs to look on for his own needs because everyone's different

if he wants specific parts i will list it for them

Specific parts are a little easier to understand! Whatever, your message got me to a veey good point of comprhension of the build! Thank you!

[EYT]

Just now, JFunk said:

Specific parts are a little easier to understand! Whatever, your message got me to a veey good point of comprhension of the build! Thank you!

i did a tiny recommendation at the end of each "chapter" lel

i can give you specific parts but it wont be that accurate since i never worked with AMD cpus so i dont know the compatibility of them

[JFunk]

3 minutes ago, Fake Dragonite said:

I haven't looked much into AM4 mobo offerings, but I can try, and I can definitely help with everything else.

 

It seems that most AM4 motherboards are out of stock at the moment (and probably will be until the end of the month), however, just about anything from MSI, Asus, or EVGA will do you fine. Overclocking won't be too much of an issue, especially if number of cores is your biggest concern, but X370 boards will still be something to look at, since they normally have more features such as onboard wifi that more budget oriented boards won't have.

 

RAM is RAM is RAM at this point. However DDR4 prices have been on a pretty consistent climb in the past year, so just go with a 2x8gb kit of Kingston ValueRAM (if you don't care about aesthetics green pcb and whatnot), or hyperx fury (gaming oriented, but overall, very reliable) DDR4 RAM.

 

For a PSU, I'd definitely recommend anything from Antec, EVGA, or Corsair, although at this point I'm partial to EVGA's Supernova series of power supplies. Somewhere in the 600-800W range will do you nicely.

 

And I'd definitely recommend some magnetic storage as well. For work that you are doing in school, especially if you want to build a portfolio, the more reliable the better. I'd personally recommend a 2tb Western Digital Caviar Black drive to start off with, and as you get more familiar and comfortable tinkering with your machine, you can go from there.

 

Links:
Motherboard suggestion (not x370 but seems like a good option regardless): https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Prime-B350-Plus-Ryzen-Motherboard/dp/B06X416NJ1/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1488810180&sr=1-3&keywords=am4

 

RAM: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TY6A1LY/ref=dp_cerb_1

 

PSU: https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Supernova-210-GQ-0650-V1-Modular-Supply/dp/B017HA3SQ8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1488810281&sr=8-3&keywords=evga+supernova+650

 

HDD: https://www.amazon.com/Black-Performance-Desktop-Hard-Drive/dp/B00FJRS628/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1488810309&sr=8-3&keywords=western+digital+caviar+black

 

Good Luck

Thank you!

 

[JFunk]

9 minutes ago, grimreeper132 said:

here you go https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/GyWLYr, there is probably other cheaper and better motherboards in italy but that's the only choices thereon parts list. you can change the SSD on there for more RAM or for another motherboard (so overclocking is possible) or an upgrade like that 

Thank you!

[scottyseng]

1 hour ago, JFunk said:

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Just be sure to overclock the 1700. Some programs (looking at you revit / photoshop) prefer higher clock speed (As far as I can tell, Revit (aside from rendering) stops caring after 4 core).

 

I think the 1700 is great for your use though.

 

I have two rigs myself, a very fast quad core, and a high core count xeon. I have to switch between the two usually for some programs / rendering.

[JFunk]

1 hour ago, scottyseng said:

Just be sure to overclock the 1700. Some programs (looking at you revit / photoshop) prefer higher clock speed (As far as I can tell, Revit (aside from rendering) stops caring after 4 core).

 

I think the 1700 is great for your use though.

 

I have two rigs myself, a very fast quad core, and a high core count xeon. I have to switch between the two usually for some programs / rendering.

Thank you very much!

Can you tell me more about software usage? I mainly use:

Archicad 20

Rhino 5.0 + grasshopper + vray 2.0

Cinema 4d

Photoshop

Illustrator

Are there any specs that theese software require? Thank you again!

 

[scottyseng]

6 minutes ago, JFunk said:

Thank you very much!

Can you tell me more about software usage? I mainly use:

Archicad 20

Rhino 5.0 + grasshopper + vray 2.0

Cinema 4d

Photoshop

Illustrator

Are there any specs that theese software require? Thank you again!

 

Ah, ArchiCAD. No experience with it, but I do know it will use all cores.

Unsure about rhino though (Yeah, I kind of went the autodesk route...3DS Max / Maya / Revit)

Cinema4D is multicore.

Photoshop and illustrator, depends on what you do. If you like to draw and paint a lot, they really like high speed cores vs more cores.

Vray depends if you use the GPU renderer or not. It is multithreaded either way though (Please use the GPU renderer, it's a lot faster)

 

I do believe what the other recommended above will cover you well, 1700 CPU, 16GB of RAM, and a 1080 (Though I would check used pricing on the used 980 Ti market...you might be able to get two of the price of a 1080). Same for the 1070...you'd rather have more GPU power since Vray doesn't care about SLI.

[JFunk]

3 hours ago, scottyseng said:

Ah, ArchiCAD. No experience with it, but I do know it will use all cores.

Unsure about rhino though (Yeah, I kind of went the autodesk route...3DS Max / Maya / Revit)

Cinema4D is multicore.

Photoshop and illustrator, depends on what you do. If you like to draw and paint a lot, they really like high speed cores vs more cores.

Vray depends if you use the GPU renderer or not. It is multithreaded either way though (Please use the GPU renderer, it's a lot faster)

 

I do believe what the other recommended above will cover you well, 1700 CPU, 16GB of RAM, and a 1080 (Though I would check used pricing on the used 980 Ti market...you might be able to get two of the price of a 1080). Same for the 1070...you'd rather have more GPU power since Vray doesn't care about SLI.

Very, very, very useful information!

I have a much more clear idea of what to do!

Thank you very much!

 

[scottyseng]

17 minutes ago, JFunk said:

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Curious, how'd you get Vray? I plan to buy it, but wow, the price hits hard (I'm just doing it for hobby / maybe freelance if I get good enough).

 

Also, double check to make sure that your version of vray supports pascal (10 series GPUs). I know that iray in 3DS Max does not support pascal so my 1070 is like a paperweight to me except in vray.