New cpu vs new ssd

[Proch]

So i was thinking what should i upgrade in my pc some people told me dont upgrade ur cpu its fine for gaming instead get a ssd some say the opposite so what do u guys think new cpu vs new ssd

Current pc specs 

I5 4460

Msi h81 eco

Asus dual gtx 1060

8gb ram 

500 gb hdd

Evga 650w psu 

[S_Project]

I can guarantee you that you will be able to perceive a much bigger difference (in everyday computing *not gaming*) by upgrading to an SSD.  It all depends on what applications you want to upgrade for...

[Wardaddy]

2 minutes ago, Proch said:

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Dude the people who told u to upgrade to an SSD are right. i5 4460 is perfectly fine for gaming especially when ur using gtx 1060, you won't need more of CPU power. But an SSD, a high storage capacity one like a 500gb SSD would help with gaming and other uses as well. 

 Moreover, a 500gb ssd wud cost around $130-150 whereas a substantial cpu upgrade wud cost about $200-250. I dont think its worth the upgrade considering ur GPU.

[Proch]

3 minutes ago, RCruey said:

Well your SSD would really help with the speed of your HDD data transfers. and your CPU is decent but you can always go with an i7 to improve some performance. Is there a reason you wanted to upgrade? Any trouble?

Actually we have been testing out the pc and its struggling in csgo like i get drops from 300 to 70 fps ive tried changing the psu to Evga tested the gpu its running good no issues installed a fresh copy if windows still havent tried csgo but i was thinking of an upgrade a long time ago and my friend said an ssd is a better step for now

[Sprawlie]

11 minutes ago, Proch said:

So i was thinking what should i upgrade in my pc some people told me dont upgrade ur cpu its fine for gaming instead get a ssd some say the opposite so what do u guys think new cpu vs new ssd

Current pc specs 

I5 4460

Msi h81 eco

Asus dual gtx 1060

8gb ram 

500 gb hdd

Evga 650w psu 

What are you trying to do first? Boost FPS in game? Or boost boot/load times?

 

your CPU is still pretty fine, and is not likely bottlenecking your GPU in games and should be more than enough for modern AA titles in 1080p. 

 

A CPU upgrade might be helpful, very slightly on boot/load times. But right now, It's likely your HDD is bottlnecking your CPU. And SSD will absolutely give you this most noticeable and perceivable difference.

 

 

 

[Mr.Humble]

Hi,

 

go with a good 240 or even 480GB SSD if you can squeeze it into your budget, Samsung's 850 EVO is pretty much legendary at this point, Kingston's UV400 series has great price/capacity ratio. Maybe consider getting additional 8GB of RAM. The CPU is fine as is.

[Proch]

4 minutes ago, vojta.pokorny said:

Hi,

 

go with a good 240 or even 480GB SSD if you can squeeze it into your budget, Samsung's 850 EVO is pretty much legendary at this point, Kingston's UV400 series has great price/capacity ratio. Maybe consider getting additional 8GB of RAM. The CPU is fine as is.

Im gonna get a geil ssd idk if thats right :3 since its the only one available near me and its better than the Kingston in reading and writing speeds 

[Proch]

14 minutes ago, Sprawlie said:

What are you trying to do first? Boost FPS in game? Or boost boot/load times?

 

your CPU is still pretty fine, and is not likely bottlenecking your GPU in games and should be more than enough for modern AA titles in 1080p. 

 

A CPU upgrade might be helpful, very slightly on boot/load times. But right now, It's likely your HDD is bottlnecking your CPU. And SSD will absolutely give you this most noticeable and perceivable difference.

 

 

 

Honestly idk cuz im a bit lost between both

 

[Sprawlie]

1 minute ago, Proch said:

Honestly idk cuz im a bit lost between both

 

What exactly is your confusion? 

 

Some Information on the impact either has on a system:

 

CPU is the central controller. it ultimately determines the max theoretical performance that a computer can achieve. It has direct relationship to how fast the computer is. 

Storage, Either HDD or SDD is just data storage. Everything that the CPU processes must be loaded first off storage. 

 

When a game or application loads. The CPU machine indicates that it requires data off the hard drive. The data is then read from the hard drive, to RAM, then to parts of the CPU for processing.

 

Now what happens in every machine, one component is going to be slower than the others. This is called a Bottleneck. When trying to determine what computer component you shuold upgrade, you need to look at what your bottleneck is and what is it that makes you think an upgrade is needed. You're not going to want to upgrade if the computer is running 100% to your satisfaction.

 

So what is slow. Are you not getting enough FPS in games? or Do things take too long to load for you? Once you've identified the issue your bottleneck is causing you can determine which part is your bottleneck, and then look at what can be replaced / upgraded to alleviate that particular bottleneck.

 

In your case:

if you're looking for boot times / load times. yes, A new CPU WOULD help. But the difference in load times isn't going to be that big due to your HDD being a significant bottleneck to load times. It's not only the sequential read/write performance of SSD's being that much better (we're talking about 500mbps vs 150mbps), but the random read/write times, and importantly. Seek times are worlds better. 

 

if you're looking for increased FPS, your Hard drive is a non-issue. your drive performance does not impact FPS performance. A CPU increase might help this, But this will depend on each game as some are more CPU heavy, and some are more GPU heavy. in most cases, FPS gains can be found more from GPU than CPU.

 

 

Does this make sense and answer what you're looking for?

[Proch]

3 minutes ago, Sprawlie said:

What exactly is your confusion? 

 

Some Information on the impact either has on a system:

 

CPU is the central controller. it ultimately determines the max theoretical performance that a computer can achieve. It has direct relationship to how fast the computer is. 

Storage, Either HDD or SDD is just data storage. Everything that the CPU processes must be loaded first off storage. 

 

When a game or application loads. The CPU machine indicates that it requires data off the hard drive. The data is then read from the hard drive, to RAM, then to parts of the CPU for processing.

 

Now what happens in every machine, one component is going to be slower than the others. This is called a Bottleneck. When trying to determine what computer component you shuold upgrade, you need to look at what your bottleneck is and what is it that makes you think an upgrade is needed. You're not going to want to upgrade if the computer is running 100% to your satisfaction.

 

So what is slow. Are you not getting enough FPS in games? or Do things take too long to load for you? Once you've identified the issue your bottleneck is causing you can determine which part is your bottleneck, and then look at what can be replaced / upgraded to alleviate that particular bottleneck.

 

In your case:

if you're looking for boot times / load times. yes, A new CPU WOULD help. But the difference in load times isn't going to be that big due to your HDD being a significant bottleneck to load times. It's not only the sequential read/write performance of SSD's being that much better (we're talking about 500mbps vs 150mbps), but the random read/write times, and importantly. Seek times are worlds better. 

 

if you're looking for increased FPS, your Hard drive is a non-issue. your drive performance does not impact FPS performance. A CPU increase might help this, But this will depend on each game as some are more CPU heavy, and some are more GPU heavy. in most cases, FPS gains can be found more from GPU than CPU.

 

 

Does this make sense and answer what you're looking for?

It does make sense but money wise  confused as i said in an earlier reply to some one ive been having some major fps drops i games such as csgo ive tried everything from changing the psu to reinstalling the software checked my gpu 0 issues runs fine now im downloading csgo for the new software to see whats going 

*ive tried benchmarking using fire strike unigene Valley and heaven and the score was identical to others i was planning on an upgrade to my pc but my friend said ur cpu is fine its not bottlenecking............  If u want to upgrade maybe get a ssd and ik that a new ssd wont affect gaming performance 

[michaelocarroll007]

13 minutes ago, Proch said:

It does make sense but money wise  confused as i said in an earlier reply to some one ive been having some major fps drops i games such as csgo ive tried everything from changing the psu to reinstalling the software checked my gpu 0 issues runs fine now im downloading csgo for the new software to see whats going 

*ive tried benchmarking using fire strike unigene Valley and heaven and the score was identical to others i was planning on an upgrade to my pc but my friend said ur cpu is fine its not bottlenecking............  If u want to upgrade maybe get a ssd and ik that a new ssd wont affect gaming performance 

 Why have it run at 300fps though obviously there will be drops from there. What is the screen refresh rate you use? i would lock it much lower then 300fps theres basically no benefit. and a i5 4460 is a good cpu with a 1060 in the case that you are playing typical games it wont bottleneck it. Realistically it will run every game at 60fps+.  if you play at 144hz moinitor then yes it will bottleneck a little bit nothing crazy though but your GPU will also bottleneck you at that refresh rate on any decently grahpical game  

 

 

AS for SSD there nice and make the turning on and off very fast and just overall more snappy feeling when using the computer BUT for gaming the difference will probably be small if you even get one big enough to install games on. Games like Fallout 4 Witcher and big games with long loading screens will be the biggest benefit games like CSGO call of duty  gears of war racing games the differences will be tiny and in mutiplayer you have to wait for everyone to load anyway.

[Proch]

5 minutes ago, michaelocarroll007 said:

 Why have it run at 300fps though obviously there will be drops from there. What is the screen refresh rate you use? i would lock it much lower then 300fps theres basically no benefit. and a i5 4460 is a good cpu with a 1060 in the case that you are playing typical games it wont bottleneck it. Realistically it will run every game at 60fps+.  if you play at 144hz moinitor then yes it will bottleneck a little bit nothing crazy though but your GPU will also bottleneck you at that refresh rate on any decently grahpical game  

 

 

AS for SSD there nice and make the turning on and off very fast and just overall more snappy feeling when using the computer BUT for gaming the difference will probably be small if you even get one big enough to install games on. Games like Fallout 4 Witcher and big games with long loading screens will be the biggest benefit games like CSGO call of duty  gears of war racing games the differences will be tiny and in mutiplayer you have to wait for everyone to load anyway.

Its been running on 300 fps even on my previous rigs i had the same rig except that i had a gtx 780 but different mb and psu and other stuff and my fps never dropped below 180 and im using a 144hz monitor 

[michaelocarroll007]

4 minutes ago, Proch said:

Its been running on 300 fps even on my previous rigs i had the same rig except that i had a gtx 780 but different mb and psu and other stuff and my fps never dropped below 180 and im using a 144hz monitor 

well if your trying to play all games at 144hz like i said the CPU will bottleneck at that high of FPS the CPU sets up the frames,AI ect and the GPU renders the frame so when the CPU isnt rendering faster then the GPU can it becomes the bottleneck this is why 4k typically uses less CPU power since its setting up less frames then if a game was run at a higher FPS.  short explanation.

 

your CPU will bottleneck at that frame rate but your GPU isnt good enough to make that be an actual problem to worry about. If you had a 1080  that can run high FPS in all games it would matter more.

 

as for your CSGO problem i dont know the game well specifically but if it worked before and its not working now the CPU didnt just become the bottleneck ( unless its a thermal problem) and its something completely different. Software wise most likely windows install game install CSGO had an update that affected this im not sure personally  

 

 

[Mooshi]

I'd try wiping drivers first and reinstalling. 300 to 70fps is a big drop, though 300 frames are kind of pointless since even the most high end monitor doesn't have a 300hz refresh rate. 

[Proch]

4 minutes ago, michaelocarroll007 said:

well if your trying to play all games at 144hz like i said the CPU will bottleneck at that high of FPS the CPU sets up the frames,AI ect and the GPU renders the frame so when the CPU isnt rendering faster then the GPU can it becomes the bottleneck this is why 4k typically uses less CPU power since its setting up less frames then if a game was run at a higher FPS.  short explanation.

 

your CPU will bottleneck at that frame rate but your GPU isnt good enough to make that be an actual problem to worry about. If you had a 1080  that can run high FPS in all games it would matter more.

 

as for your CSGO problem i dont know the game well specifically but if it worked before and its not working now the CPU didnt just become the bottleneck ( unless its a thermal problem) and its something completely different. Software wise most likely windows install game install CSGO had an update that affected this im not sure personally  

 

 

I've been having another problems so i put my pc in the repair center where my friend works there he installed a new software and tmw were gonna try again but i want to upgrade smthn in my pc

[Proch]

1 minute ago, Mooshi said:

I'd try wiping drivers first and reinstalling. 300 to 70fps is a big drop, though 300 frames are kind of pointless since even the most high end monitor doesn't have a 300hz refresh rate. 

Already did that well even tho im playing on a 300 fps u have other players who play on a unlocked fps maybe around 500-600 fps u can see y we prefer high fps

 

[michaelocarroll007]

1 minute ago, Proch said:

I've been having another problems so i put my pc in the repair center where my friend works there he installed a new software and tmw were gonna try again but i want to upgrade smthn in my pc

I get the Itch and Urge to upgrade haha. You asked if CPU or SSD would solve this problem and or be worth it. honestly neither will fix or improve gaming much at all. 

 

Im not saying dont updage just cost wise it doesnt make much sense. Though computers for my self is a hobby and something i like so it doesnt always have to be cost justifiable.  

 

i would recommend if you upgrade the CPU to see some difference going for like a I7-7700k  i dont think getting a i5 6400 or the like would be worth it intels CPUs havent improved much last 2 generations .  Im someone who only really plays AAA and has 3 4k screens ill take eye candy and 60fps. 

so id personally take an GPU upgrade to a 1080 over the CPU upgrade im fine with 60hz 4k and that CPU isnt going to be a bottle neck at 60-100fps really at all  

[Proch]

3 minutes ago, michaelocarroll007 said:

I get the Itch and Urge to upgrade haha. You asked if CPU or SSD would solve this problem and or be worth it. honestly neither will fix or improve gaming much at all. 

 

Im not saying dont updage just cost wise it doesnt make much sense. Though computers for my self is a hobby and something i like so it doesnt always have to be cost justifiable.  

 

i would recommend if you upgrade the CPU to see some difference going for like a I7-7700k  i dont think getting a i5 6400 or the like would be worth it intels CPUs havent improved much last 2 generations .  Im someone who only really plays AAA and has 3 4k screens ill take eye candy and 60fps. 

so id personally take an GPU upgrade to a 1080 over the CPU upgrade im fine with 60hz 4k and that CPU isnt going to be a bottle neck at 60-100fps really at all  

U gave me a heart attack i was thinking of buying an i7 3770k and replacing my mb ofc gonna buy them used cuz they dont cost that much and u want me to get a kabylake processor thank u for that lovely heartattack

[michaelocarroll007]

5 minutes ago, Proch said:

Already did that well even tho im playing on a 300 fps u have other players who play on a unlocked fps maybe around 500-600 fps u can see y we prefer high fps

 

 yeah but all this does is push a more Recent frame to the monitor once your past the monitors limit of 144hz it doesnt display any more frames per seconds it skips them and displays the most current one. You cannot notice the difference of playing 300fps and 600fps i guarantee this.  its all gimmick BS   i would personally bet you couldn't see the difference of 144fps and 300fps with that mointior    

[Proch]

1 minute ago, michaelocarroll007 said:

 yeah but all this does is push a more Recent frame to the monitor once your past the monitors limit of 144hz it doesnt display any more frames per seconds it skips them and displays the most current one. You cannot notice the difference of playing 300fps and 600fps i guarantee this.  its all gimmick BS   i would personally bet you couldn't see the difference of 144fps and 300fps with that mointior    

Ik i wont see the difference but we prefer to see a high fps no matter what its just like some kind of addiction 

[michaelocarroll007]

3 minutes ago, Proch said:

U gave me a heart attack i was thinking of buying an i7 3770k and replacing my mb ofc gonna buy them used cuz they dont cost that much and u want me to get a kabylake processor thank u for that lovely heartattack

Im just looking at it of a point of an upgrade that would actually improve your computer by an amount that would matter and be worth it. since your not starting with a low end or really old processor. That would be a pretty minor upgrade no? off the top of my head im not up on older processors as much now but your going back a generation and then up a tier. i would say you need to go foward and up a tier

[Proch]

1 minute ago, michaelocarroll007 said:

Im just looking at it of a point of an upgrade that would actually improve your computer by an amount that would matter and be worth it. since your not starting with a low end or really old processor. That would be a pretty minor upgrade no? off the top of my head im not up on older processors as much now but your going back a generation and then up a tier. i would say you need to go foward and up a tier

Well i can do that but then ill be broke for the rest of this month and i dont wanna do that since I'm going to college in a few days

[michaelocarroll007]

8 minutes ago, Proch said:

Ik i wont see the difference but we prefer to see a high fps no matter what its just like some kind of addiction 

yeah i get the liking seeing high number and being addicted to pcs. But i cant say its worth the time effort or money to barley upgrade and it probably wont boost FPS  much going to a i7 3770k in CSGO and problably no difference at all in a AAA game. 

 

3 minutes ago, Proch said:

Well i can do that but then ill be broke for the rest of this month and i dont wanna do that since I'm going to college in a few days

Yeah i would then save and wait it out then your CPU is good enough to get by obviously for a while. maybe if you wait long enough you can afford a 7700k or ryzen might actually come out and not dissapoint but thats all being skeptical. hopfully it brings prices down or faster speeds at current prices. time will tell 

[Taja]

My opinion:

Your cpu is fine, you could get a bit more performance with a new cpu, but it would give little benefit in games (guess this pc is for gaming).

A SSD makes EVERYTHING better. You wont get fps boost, but everything on your pc will be faster. When i got mine, games like Fallout 4 that took 40~65 seconds to load started loading in 10 seconds. You can reboot your OS in 30 seconds. Programs dont "freeze" when you open then, they just open without delay. For me, SSD is the best upgrade you can do for the least amount of money in every pc (considering the pc is balanced, NOT a celeron + titan x combo).

[Mooshi]

3 hours ago, Proch said:

Already did that well even tho im playing on a 300 fps u have other players who play on a unlocked fps maybe around 500-600 fps u can see y we prefer high fps

 

Anything above your monitors refresh rate isn't going to register and you end up stressing your graphics card for no gain, though.  What you really want is your fps to stay stable in sync with your monitor refresh rate without dipping dramatically. 

 

Think of a car on a dyno. Sure it looks impressive revving to max, but the car isn't actually going anywhere to take advantage of the power.