CPU delid tool worth buying? (Rockit 88)

[it_dont_work]

28 minutes ago, Owlman said:

 

There's nothing wrong with drifting if you can control force and reaction.  it's the cpu die that is fragile, and any surface mounted components, here's a photo of an athlon I haven't thrown out for some reason. side note not a bad macro shot from my shitty galaxy s5 at night.

 

If you want to de-lid go ahead, it'll either 1. work well , 2. work ok 3. break something. So at the end of it if you're prepared to replace the cpu in the worse case, go for it.

 

As for that tool, it looks like it would do the job fine, I wouldn't buy it since I could make it in probably 30-40minutes ($30 isn't a bad price). Personally I'd cut it off using the bed on my milling machine and a cross slide, but it's not like everyone can do that.

[Owlman]

3 minutes ago, porina said:

https://www.caseking.de/der8auer-delid-die-mate-2-fsd8-019.html

 

thanks, i'll watch some reviews when I get home 

[done12many2]

3 hours ago, Firecheetah13 said:

Delidding is never a good option. Unless you absolutely require lower temps, its not worth the extra 3-5C you would get back for $40+ (Removal tool, thermal adhesive, shipping costs). You could sell your CPU and buy a whole new one for that! Or just get a better CPU cooler if you're lame...

 

You are way off.  Try it before reporting what you read or see on the internet.  Blanket statements like this do nothing, but spread misinformation.  

 

It's a hell of a lot more than 3c to 5c especially on chips with gapping and poor TIM spreading from the factory.

 

As for current CPUs, it's very effective.  I've delidded 4 x 7700k CPUs to date and every one of them dropped more than 20c.

[Firecheetah13]

7 hours ago, done12many2 said:

 

You are way off.  Try it before reporting what you read or see on the internet.  Blanket statements like this do nothing, but spread misinformation.  

 

It's a hell of a lot more than 3c to 5c especially on chips with gapping and poor TIM spreading from the factory.

 

As for current CPUs, it's very effective.  I've delidded 4 x 7700k CPUs to date and every one of them dropped more than 20c.

Even if it was an exaggeration, it's not worth the risk. Permanently damaging the CPU or killing it completely is a possibility, therefore it would be so much easier to just sell your current CPU cooler and buy a new one for improved temps with basically no chance of damaging your CPU. You will get significant improvement, and even if it is a few degrees off of delidding it, the benefits will outweigh the cons.

[done12many2]

18 minutes ago, Firecheetah13 said:

Even if it was an exaggeration, it's not worth the risk. Permanently damaging the CPU or killing it completely is a possibility, therefore it would be so much easier to just sell your current CPU cooler and buy a new one for improved temps with basically no chance of damaging your CPU. You will get significant improvement, and even if it is a few degrees off of delidding it, the benefits will outweigh the cons.

 

I agree with upgrading cooling capacity.  There is a limitation on what a better cooling solution can do.  The biggest water loop in the world can only maintain water to ambient temperature and you will still require a delid in order to push higher overclocks.  

 

The value of high clock speeds is obviously subjective.  All I wanted to do was point out that your original post was completely inaccurate with regards to temperature gain.  

[Jumper118]

46 minutes ago, Firecheetah13 said:

Even if it was an exaggeration, it's not worth the risk. Permanently damaging the CPU or killing it completely is a possibility, therefore it would be so much easier to just sell your current CPU cooler and buy a new one for improved temps with basically no chance of damaging your CPU. You will get significant improvement, and even if it is a few degrees off of delidding it, the benefits will outweigh the cons.

There is almost 0 risk with a tool. Unless you take the cpu out the tool and jump up and down on it and smash the die I don't even see how you can do any damage.  I think you would have to try tbh. 

[Simon771]

13 hours ago, Firecheetah13 said:

Delidding is never a good option. Unless you absolutely require lower temps, its not worth the extra 3-5C you would get back for $40+ (Removal tool, thermal adhesive, shipping costs). You could sell your CPU and buy a whole new one for that! Or just get a better CPU cooler if you're lame...

In my case deliding would bring me much better results.

I own i7 4790k that gets up to 80°C at stock settings on custom water loop. I should be able to OC this CPU to about 4,7 or 4,8GHz and have temps under 75°C at all times if I were to delid it.

So deliding is worth sometimes.

[done12many2]

2 hours ago, Jumper118 said:

There is almost 0 risk with a tool. Unless you take the cpu out the tool and jump up and down on it and smash the die I don't even see how you can do any damage.  I think you would have to try tbh. 

 

Folks will always fear and speculate about shit they've never done.  Remember when water cooling was feared?  I could only imagine the first time someone increased their voltage. 

[JoostinOnline]

12 hours ago, it_dont_work said:

I'm a bloody hack and I cringed at that vid. Bloke could of at the very least used a set of softjaws, and who the fuck doesn't own a vice? By all means hold it in a vice and cut the ihs off with a razor blade, but drift the fucking thing off?

I'm pretty sure most people don't own a vice lol. It's not something most people need. 

 

It's a very common method of delidding. 

[porina]

We all have different ideas of risk and value. It is one thing for someone to say it isn't worth the risk to themselves, but we only get into arguments when that gets expressed as no one should ever do it. Anyone entering into it should know the potential risks to get the potential benefits, which will go far beyond a cooler replacement can provide. It is by no means needed for the mainstream, but may be considered by those seeking to extract more of the potential performance.

[JTnChina]

https://www.youmagine.com/designs/intel-kaby-lake-delid-tool    3D print for Delid tool.

[Loxa]

On 2/3/2017 at 10:24 AM, Firecheetah13 said:

Delidding is never a good option. Unless you absolutely require lower temps, its not worth the extra 3-5C you would get back for $40+ (Removal tool, thermal adhesive, shipping costs). You could sell your CPU and buy a whole new one for that! Or just get a better CPU cooler if you're lame...

You yield a lot more of a temp decrease than 3-5c, i have seen results as high as 18-20c.

[Coaxialgamer]

On 2/3/2017 at 11:24 AM, Firecheetah13 said:

Delidding is never a good option. Unless you absolutely require lower temps, its not worth the extra 3-5C you would get back for $40+ (Removal tool, thermal adhesive, shipping costs). You could sell your CPU and buy a whole new one for that! Or just get a better CPU cooler if you're lame...

I actually got 20C lower temps once i delided my 3770k.

[JoostinOnline]

2 hours ago, Coaxialgamer said:

I actually got 20C lower temps once i delided my 3770k.

A lot of people think Linus proved it was pointless because he totally failed at delidding. All he did was replace the TIM and called it delidding. 

[Owlman]

8 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

A lot of people think Linus proved it was pointless because he totally failed at delidding. All he did was replace the TIM and called it delidding. 

I've decided to buy a tool (don't know which I'm getting yet), and I'll delid my 6700K and my friends 6600K as it gets really hot. But unfortunately I'll have to put this project on hold as I think the fan on my graphics card has a broken ball bearing, I've sent an email to Asus regarding my problem and I'm waiting for them to respond. Do you have any experience with Asus support? 

[JoostinOnline]

1 minute ago, Owlman said:

I've decided to buy a tool (don't know which I'm getting yet), and I'll delid my 6700K and my friends 6600K as it gets really hot. But unfortunately I'll have to put this project on hold as I think the fan on my graphics card has a broken ball bearing, I've sent an email to Asus regarding my problem and I'm waiting for them to respond. Do you have any experience with Asus support? 

Sorry, just EVGA and MSI.  They were pretty quick to respond, which I would take as a good sign since major competitors don't want to have a big flaw to their name.

[Owlman]

3 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Sorry, just EVGA and MSI.  They were pretty quick to respond, which I would take as a good sign since major competitors don't want to have a big flaw to their name.

Thanks anyway. Guess I'll just have to wait and see how this goes.

[Owlman]

On 6.2.2017 at 7:53 AM, JoostinOnline said:

Sorry, just EVGA and MSI.  They were pretty quick to respond, which I would take as a good sign since major competitors don't want to have a big flaw to their name.

Just as an update. I'll most likely be getting the delid-die-mate-2. I've been in contact with a Norwegian store and they said they will have it in stock as soon as it's available.

[Jalmio]

I don't have experience on those, but I really don't recommend to try with primitive tools.

[Owlman]

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20 minutes ago, Jalmio said:

I don't have experience on those, but I really don't recommend to try with primitive tools.

 *cringes through the 12th realm of Ephysiyies*